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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
175
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:36:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Since CCP is releasing Mittani and his b++sser boys upon high sec miners, they should let those miners have the option to have skill points refunded so that they can go do something else or fly a battleship while mining. It seems to me that many people have months of paid training time for a ship they can not safely use anymore (Not me, I never flew one). If you want to force people into Rokhs, refund their points and let them put them into it instead.
Shut up
CCP, WHEN AM I GOING TO GET MY CORP BACK? KINDA WANT MY STUFF BACK FROM THE HANGARS. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1598
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:38:00 -
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I agree, give them all their hulk-specific skills back. That would be...Exhumers III? Congrats, you get like half a day of training back. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
169
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:38:00 -
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LOL Cutter, I will get right on that. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
244
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:38:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:You can tell the integrity of an OP by the speed with which the Thought Police line up to condemn her. OP here is clearly a threat to the ColdDarkHarsh Party. She must be ridiculed at all costs, and any validity to what she says must be scorned. Line up with the Thought Police.
The thought police have decided you're below the limit. Carry on. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
106
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:39:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:highonpop wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Since CCP is releasing Mittani and his b++sser boys upon high sec miners, they should let those miners have the option to have skill points refunded so that they can go do something else or fly a battleship while mining. It seems to me that many people have months of paid training time for a ship they can not safely use anymore (Not me, I never flew one). If you want to force people into Rokhs, refund their points and let them put them into it instead. So, CCP released the goons on the world? please remove yourself from the living. They sanctioned the actions so yes. Telling someone to kill themselves is pretty low as well, as I suspect your IQ to be. We also suspect you have a 2 digit IQ. Well aren't you surprising, you said something other than 'its a sandbox-not a theme park mmo'.
Yes i did, and it help you find out after 9 YEARS what EvE is. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
175
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:40:00 -
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no they shouldn't; refunding points is only reserved for ccp removing something from the game. it's an extreme measure and should almost never be used. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Lokdu
Sacred Templar Knights ROL.Citizens
0
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:47:00 -
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your proposal is very bad but your avatar is nice |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
169
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:52:00 -
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Lokdu wrote:your proposal is very bad but your avatar is nice
Thank you. I knew the proposal would stir up the hive but I wanted a lively discussion. Not a flame war as it turned into but a discussion as I think that current events in EVE as gone too far. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
107
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:58:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Lokdu wrote:your proposal is very bad but your avatar is nice Thank you. I knew the proposal would stir up the hive but I wanted a lively discussion. Not a flame war as it turned into but a discussion as I think that current events in EVE as gone too far.
I would also be mad if i had spent the last nine years with my head buried in the sand, "Ostrich" style. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Haldor Rune
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.30 15:59:00 -
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Bunnie Hop? HAS to be a troll .
Avatar's not bad, though. |
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:02:00 -
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Haldor Rune wrote:Bunnie Hop? HAS to be a troll . Avatar's not bad, though.
Na, just a silly name, I let my oldest daughter help me name one of my characters a few years ago and this is what she wanted. We used to play a bunnie hop game she loved. My husband rolls his eyes at it too |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:03:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Lokdu wrote:your proposal is very bad but your avatar is nice Thank you. I knew the proposal would stir up the hive but I wanted a lively discussion. Not a flame war as it turned into but a discussion as I think that current events in EVE as gone too far. I would also be mad if i had spent the last nine years with my head buried in the sand, "Ostrich" style.
Oh hello, you are still here. Hows it going |
Velicitia
Open Designs
945
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:05:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Real men post with their mains, just saying.
^This...
and to be on-topic ...
@Floppie, yeah the "hulk specific" skill is Exhumers III, which is like a day (at most) of training. It's the Mining Barge and Astrogeology 5 that kill you |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7502
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:05:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Thank you. I knew the proposal would stir up the hive but I wanted a lively discussion. Not a flame war as it turned into but a discussion as I think that current events in EVE has gone too far. Maybe you should have made some kind of reasonable and relevant point on that topic, then, rather than make a silly and unfounded demand regarding something completely differentGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
962
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:09:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:@Floppie, yeah the "hulk specific" skill is Exhumers III, which is like a day (at most) of training. It's the Mining Barge and Astrogeology 5 that kill you You can use a covetor, I hear they're safe, relatively inexpensive compared to Hulk and have a good yield despite that big discount. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Thank you. I knew the proposal would stir up the hive but I wanted a lively discussion. Not a flame war as it turned into but a discussion as I think that current events in EVE has gone too far. Maybe you should have made some kind of reasonable and relevant point on that topic, then, rather than make a silly and unfounded demand regarding something completely differentGǪ
It wasn't a demand in any form. It was a suggestion. Not a too far fetched one either in my opinion. The grounds for the suggestion come from the goons itself. Over and over it has been suggested by them and their fans that people mine in Rokhs, this being the case and the actions of the goons supported by CCP I felt it not too unreasonable to suggest that the people with alot of training time spent to get a hulk get the points back to get their rokhs rather than pay for even more training while the previous time is now wasted. I fail to see really how this is a demand, is silly or trolling at all. Perhaps if I posted in danish I could have better expressed myself, not sure, I think it was rather to the point. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
74
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:12:00 -
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Good Lord.
Every day, I find myself thinking more and more like a Goon. It's threads like this that push me that way.... Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7503
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:19:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:It wasn't a demand in any form. Uh-huhGǪ
GÇ£If you want to force people into Rokhs, refund their points and let them put them into it instead.GÇ¥
Just because it was based on a flawed and uninformed premise doesn't make it any less of a demand.
It's silly because all kinds of GÇ£sp remap/refundGÇ¥ requests are silly to begin with and because of that flawed premise. There is absolutely no reason CCP should give you something because of something players decide to do, and there is definitely no reason why they should give you any SP back. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
963
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:20:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Good Lord. Every day, I find myself thinking more and more like a Goon. It's threads like this that push me that way.... You're falling to the dark side.
Soon you'll be looking at a list of Catalysts with shiny blasters ... and it'll come naturally to you. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
77
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:22:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:TLDR: Theme Parker crying and rambling about something he can't possibly comprehend (Sandbox).
Stop saying EVE is a Sandbox and at the same time telling others how to play EVE.
EvE is anything but a Sandbox, it has some Sandbox elements but it is not a true sandbox, not even close. |
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
180
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:It wasn't a demand in any form. Uh-huhGǪ GǣIf you want to force people into Rokhs, refund their points and let them put them into it instead.Gǥ Just because it was based on a flawed and uninformed premise doesn't make it any less of a demand. It's silly because all kinds of Gǣsp remap/refundGǥ requests are silly to begin with and because of that flawed premise. There is absolutely no reason CCP should give you something because of something players decide to do, and there is definitely no reason why they should give you any SP back.
I wasn't suggesting it for myself as I have no points in those skills. Well we disagree, lets leave it at that, no sense in this becoming more than a disagreement. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
75
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:23:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:silens vesica wrote:Good Lord. Every day, I find myself thinking more and more like a Goon. It's threads like this that push me that way.... You're falling to the dark side. Soon you'll be looking at a list of Catalysts with shiny blasters ... and it'll come naturally to you. You know... I *have* been collecting a lot of blasters lately.
Hmmm...
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
963
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:23:00 -
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The Rokh is decent PvP if you use.. BLASTERS !!
BlasterRokh, go get some killmails ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7503
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:25:00 -
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Twulf wrote:EvE is anything but a Sandbox, it has some Sandbox elements but it is not a true sandbox, not even close. Oh really? What keeps it from being a sandbox?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
76
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Twulf wrote:EvE is anything but a Sandbox, it has some Sandbox elements but it is not a true sandbox, not even close. Oh really? What keeps it from being a sandbox? No swingsets or jungle bars. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc Exhale.
108
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:28:00 -
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If all the crybabies would spend the same time searching for alternatives/solutions/reskilling as they spend here whining to CCP to take care of their sore buttes, they already would:
- fly a tanked Hulk - fly a Covertor - mine in a BS - moved in to 0.0 or WH space
I feel sorry for you and your lack of will to adapt. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
417
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:32:00 -
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HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA, you act like you have a RIGHT to WIN Eve.
Grow up and stop taking it so seriously, why do you play a game you obviously are not enjoying?
Eve is a game about taking risks and MAYBE getting rewarded.
Not fun? Well, why on earth did you subscribe in the first place, didn't you read the product description?
You are nothing more than a spoiled brat. |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
77
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Twulf wrote:EvE is anything but a Sandbox, it has some Sandbox elements but it is not a true sandbox, not even close. Oh really? What keeps it from being a sandbox?
The fact that you cannot do what you want to do when you want to do it.
Example, My corp had been war dec for the last couple of weeks and I wanted to move some stuff around and do some missions but since High Sec is not safe during a War, I spend the last 2 weeks in Null running Anom's. Not what I wanted to be doing but what I was forced to due based on how EVE works.
A Sandbox allows players to play the game how they want, when they want. Just because its an MMO game, does not change what a Sandbox is. EvE has sandbox elements but it is not a true Sandbox.
Also so of you VETs point out that players that play in High sec only are "Not playing EVE correctly" which is another sign that EVE is not a Sandbox as in a Sandbox, there is no wrong way to play.
Last point, in a Sandbox, I could equip and fly any ship anyway I pleased, you cannot do that in EVE due to the game design, not a true Sandbox. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7505
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:21:00 -
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Twulf wrote:The fact that you cannot do what you want to do when you want to do it. For one, you can GÇö you're just not ensured of success. For another, that doesn't particularly keep it from being a sandbox.
To quote something Malcanis wrote a few days back: GÇ£GÇÿsandboxGÇÖ doesn't mean GÇÿI get to succeed at whatever I feel like attemptingGÇÖ, it means that GÇÿI get to attempt whatever I want to succeed atGÇÖ.GÇ¥
Quote:Example, My corp had been war dec for the last couple of weeks and I wanted to move some stuff around and do some missions but since High Sec is not safe during a War, I spend the last 2 weeks in Null running Anom's. Not what I wanted to be doing but what I was forced to due based on how EVE works. That's a particularly bad example because it doesn't demonstrate that you can't GÇ£do what you want to do when you want to do itGÇ¥ (which is a rubbish definition of a sandbox anyway). No, you weren't forced. You chose to do that.
Quote:A Sandbox allows players to play the game how they want, when they want. You're missing a very important detail: it's a multiplayer sandbox, and adding that crucial GÇ£multiplayerGÇ¥ pre-modifier does indeed drastically change what a sandbox is.
In a multiplayer sandbox, you can't do what you want GÇö everyone can do what they want, which can and will include things that you do not want them to do (to you). Moreover, that is not what it means to be a sandbox. Being a sandbox means that the game doesn't really come with any pre-defined gameplay but rather gives the player(s) tools to create their own content and then lets them do what they want with those tools.
EVE does exactly that: it gives the players tools and it gives everyone those tools tools. It doesn't discriminate and let you separate yourself from the sandbox by giving you different tools, but rather lets everyone affect everyone with said same set of tools. It is as true a sandbox as you'll ever find.
Quote:Last point, in a Sandbox, I could equip and fly any ship anyway I pleased Good news: you can. The game provides you with every tool required to make that happen, and then it's up to you to do so. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1258
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Posted - 2012.05.30 17:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Twulf wrote:The fact that you cannot do what you want to do when you want to do it. For one, you can GÇö you're just not ensured of success. For another, that doesn't particularly keep it from being a sandbox. To quote something Malcanis wrote a few days back: GÇ£GÇÿsandboxGÇÖ doesn't mean GÇÿI get to succeed at whatever I feel like attemptingGÇÖ, it means that GÇÿI get to attempt whatever I want to succeed atGÇÖ.GÇ¥ Quote:Example, My corp had been war dec for the last couple of weeks and I wanted to move some stuff around and do some missions but since High Sec is not safe during a War, I spend the last 2 weeks in Null running Anom's. Not what I wanted to be doing but what I was forced to due based on how EVE works. That's a particularly bad example because it doesn't demonstrate that you can't GÇ£do what you want to do when you want to do itGÇ¥ (which is a rubbish definition of a sandbox anyway). No, you weren't forced. You chose to do that. Quote:A Sandbox allows players to play the game how they want, when they want. You're missing a very important detail: it's a multiplayer sandbox, and adding that crucial GÇ£multiplayerGÇ¥ pre-modifier does indeed drastically change what a sandbox is. In a multiplayer sandbox, you can't do what you want GÇö everyone can do what they want, which can and will include things that you do not want them to do (to you). Moreover, that is not what it means to be a sandbox. Being a sandbox means that the game doesn't really come with any pre-defined gameplay but rather gives the player(s) tools to create their own content and then lets them do what they want with those tools. EVE does exactly that: it gives the players tools. It gives everyone tools. It doesn't discriminate and let you separate yourself from the sandbox, but rather lets everyone affect everyone with said tools. It is as true a sandbox as you'll ever find. Quote:Last point, in a Sandbox, I could equip and fly any ship anyway I pleased Good news: you can. The game provides you with every tool required to make that happen, and then it's up to you to do so.
Exactly what I wanted to say.
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