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oil
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:38:00 -
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so lets i magine there is a corp with 3 partners in it. they want to insure the corp assets against one of them running away with them. secondly they want to make sure that not one of them can kick the other 2 out or disable their abilities. can kicking from a corp and removal of roles be made into a votable action? i think assets can be locked doewn and only unlocked with a majority vot of all the shares. is something similar possible for corp rights? Basically: can 2 directors with 1/3 of the shares each make sure the ceo can not remove their rights and kick them?
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Clara Mismer
Minmatar Gulfonodi Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:46:00 -
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no
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.19 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Clara Mismer no
This, and frankly, if you're that concerned about it, I suggest you examine the people you're planning on going into business with. --Vel
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oil
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.08.19 21:09:00 -
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well as u have probably seen in the last months longyear trusted persons just get burned out and then they run. i trust the persons i have those plans with but there is nothing like 100 % trust. also there is the issue of hacking. can happen to me or can happen to one of the others
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.08.19 21:27:00 -
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As I understand it, any shareholder can initiate an election for a new CEO. I don't know if that applies to shareholders who are not corporation members, though. Presumably if you each own a third of the shares, then any two can vote to kick the other member out of the CEO slot. However, this is more of a punishment measure than a prevention measure. The CEO or any Director can steal all the assets at any time, except blueprints that are locked down.
I would recommend choosing one person to be CEO, and entrusting him with the responsibility to keep the corp honest. He can appoint "directors" but not using the built-in "Director" role, which is too powerful to be safe. Use the title manager to create a new director title that has access to one or more wallets, human resource functions, or whatever they need.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2009.08.20 00:18:00 -
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Solution:
Get a 'trusted third party' to make a CEO alt for your corporation. Take a look in the Market Discussions forum and take a pick from one of the big names of trusted auditors, etc. If it's a truly gigantic undertaking, go talk to the big man Chribba himself and see if he will help you. Give this trusted third party a single share, so that he can open votes for locking or unlocking blueprints, and other measures.
Once a third party is in place as the CEO alt, split all remaining shares. They do not need to have the director role, and if security is a major concern then none of them should have this role; instead, assign them only the specific roles each one needs in order to access individual assets that are too small or too frequently needed to be worth bothering the third-party to distribute.
Whenever a high-value item from the corporate hangar needs to be moved for any reason, pester the third-party to log into his CEO character and handle this transaction. Votes to lock or unlock blueprints will require two of the three partners to agree (or at least to not oppose).
The advantages of this setup: - Assuming everyone is on at least daily, no one character can take blueprints. - None of the three characters have access to the high-value items. - The CEO alt can be voted out if deemed necessary.
Disadvantages: - The trusted third-party could go rogue and take all high-value items that are not blueprints. - The trusted third-party is needed in order to handle any high-value items.
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.20 00:19:00 -
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3 partners can secure against stealing if two of them are dead. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator |
Joseph Foster
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer 3 partners can secure against stealing if two of them are dead.
This.
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Taram Caldar
GK inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:02:00 -
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Better asked in the MD Forum tbh.
But the simplest answer is: No, there is no way to guarantee security... hell there's not even a way to do that in the Real world... the trusted 3rd party isn't even 'really' secure as the 3rd party could go rogue as well (however unlikely that may be) but it's one of the best ways to try to insure security.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:09:00 -
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No... when it gets right down to it... somewhere...someone is going to screw you over.
Start with the individual person in question... if you can't trust them implicitly... you have no business trusting them in the first place.
Don't matter how strong your security is.... there's always at least 1 weak point. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
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Lex Kram
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Posted - 2009.08.20 15:11:00 -
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Make me one of the partners I'm an expert on Corp security and asset management. I will guarantee nothing will be stolen, you have my word
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2009.08.20 16:16:00 -
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The only way to stop from being kicked from a corp is by having alot of shares. However, that will not stop any of the other two from removing your roles, they just can;t kick you. And you can not remove the roles of a CEO without a vote.
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Tunak
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Posted - 2009.08.20 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: oil well as u have probably seen in the last months longyear trusted persons just get burned out and then they run. i trust the persons i have those plans with but there is nothing like 100 % trust. also there is the issue of hacking. can happen to me or can happen to one of the others
Too bad. Trust is the only way to do it. Our crew has 10s of billions, no security, and everyone directors. We trust each other and have had exactly 0 problems.
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tunak Come and steal my stuff
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