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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.12 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Scope on 12/10/2004 06:39:51
Hello folks,
We are proud to bring to you the Retribution Assault frigate. The price per ship is 40 million isk at the moment. Please direct all your orders to Dr Scope.
Also package deals will be available with dual light beam lazer 2's.
The pickup system is Masalle, station 8-1 X-sense chemical.
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.12 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Scope on 12/10/2004 06:39:51
Hello folks,
We are proud to bring to you the Retribution Assault frigate. The price per ship is 40 million isk at the moment. Please direct all your orders to Dr Scope.
Also package deals will be available with dual light beam lazer 2's.
The pickup system is Masalle, station 8-1 X-sense chemical.
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.12 14:36:00 -
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1 ship in stock right now 
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.12 14:36:00 -
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1 ship in stock right now
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.13 15:58:00 -
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BYOC deals are also available, contact me for more details.
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.13 15:58:00 -
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BYOC deals are also available, contact me for more details.
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.14 21:42:00 -
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.14 21:42:00 -
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Yanda
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Posted - 2004.10.15 02:10:00 -
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maybe 40 mill is too expensive ?
Try 35mill
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Yanda
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Posted - 2004.10.15 02:10:00 -
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maybe 40 mill is too expensive ?
Try 35mill
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.15 02:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Yanda
maybe 40 mill is too expensive ?
Try 35mill
It's well worth the isk! 
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.15 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Yanda
maybe 40 mill is too expensive ?
Try 35mill
It's well worth the isk!
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.10.15 05:56:00 -
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The thing about the Retribution is that it's really a very highly focused ship.
Perhaps the problem isn't the price, but that no one really knows what to do with it.
Perhaps you need to have someone write up a "pilots report" on the ship. Someone who knows Amarran ships. Someone who (perhaps) already owns a Vengeance, just so you can get some real comparison going in the report.
*Ahem*. I'll volunteer to do that for you. I'm a big fan of Amarran frigates, and I already own a Vengeance... If I like the Retribution, I'll even buy it from you. Whaddaya say?
There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense |
Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.10.15 05:56:00 -
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The thing about the Retribution is that it's really a very highly focused ship.
Perhaps the problem isn't the price, but that no one really knows what to do with it.
Perhaps you need to have someone write up a "pilots report" on the ship. Someone who knows Amarran ships. Someone who (perhaps) already owns a Vengeance, just so you can get some real comparison going in the report.
*Ahem*. I'll volunteer to do that for you. I'm a big fan of Amarran frigates, and I already own a Vengeance... If I like the Retribution, I'll even buy it from you. Whaddaya say?
There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense |
Kay Rissa
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Posted - 2004.10.15 10:39:00 -
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The problem with it is that it only has 1 MED slot.
So you can only fit an MWD and nothing more, you can not even kill anyone cause you are unable to warp scramble/web. And let's face it it is just a frig so it cannot instakill an indie or even another frig with a couple of rounds fired it has to win some time with a scrambler and web to spit out the necessary damage.
Venegance is better from that stand point of view i am flyin ammarian ships myself and if someone could come up qith a good config for retribution that would be awesome, but with 1 MED slot there is now way of doing that. Retribution is a cool, VERY phat and muscular ship, but unfortunatelly useless atm  damn. CCP!!! add at least 1 more MED slot !!! please!!! 
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Kay Rissa
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Posted - 2004.10.15 10:39:00 -
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The problem with it is that it only has 1 MED slot.
So you can only fit an MWD and nothing more, you can not even kill anyone cause you are unable to warp scramble/web. And let's face it it is just a frig so it cannot instakill an indie or even another frig with a couple of rounds fired it has to win some time with a scrambler and web to spit out the necessary damage.
Venegance is better from that stand point of view i am flyin ammarian ships myself and if someone could come up qith a good config for retribution that would be awesome, but with 1 MED slot there is now way of doing that. Retribution is a cool, VERY phat and muscular ship, but unfortunatelly useless atm damn. CCP!!! add at least 1 more MED slot !!! please!!!
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.15 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
The thing about the Retribution is that it's really a very highly focused ship.
Perhaps the problem isn't the price, but that no one really knows what to do with it.
Perhaps you need to have someone write up a "pilots report" on the ship. Someone who knows Amarran ships. Someone who (perhaps) already owns a Vengeance, just so you can get some real comparison going in the report.
*Ahem*. I'll volunteer to do that for you. I'm a big fan of Amarran frigates, and I already own a Vengeance... If I like the Retribution, I'll even buy it from you. Whaddaya say?
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.15 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
The thing about the Retribution is that it's really a very highly focused ship.
Perhaps the problem isn't the price, but that no one really knows what to do with it.
Perhaps you need to have someone write up a "pilots report" on the ship. Someone who knows Amarran ships. Someone who (perhaps) already owns a Vengeance, just so you can get some real comparison going in the report.
*Ahem*. I'll volunteer to do that for you. I'm a big fan of Amarran frigates, and I already own a Vengeance... If I like the Retribution, I'll even buy it from you. Whaddaya say?
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.10.16 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kay Rissa
The problem with it is that it only has 1 MED slot.
So you can only fit an MWD and nothing more, you can not even kill anyone cause you are unable to warp scramble/web. And let's face it it is just a frig so it cannot instakill an indie or even another frig with a couple of rounds fired it has to win some time with a scrambler and web to spit out the necessary damage.
Venegance is better from that stand point of view i am flyin ammarian ships myself and if someone could come up qith a good config for retribution that would be awesome, but with 1 MED slot there is now way of doing that. Retribution is a cool, VERY phat and muscular ship, but unfortunatelly useless atm damn. CCP!!! add at least 1 more MED slot !!! please!!!
That's patently untrue. The Retribution is an assault ship, it's not an interceptor or a standard frigate. It's role is to dish out decent damage at long range (I don't know about the Retribution, but my Vengeance has a 10km optimal range with dual light pulse laser IIs and multifrequency crystals!), not to zip up and catch. The ships are slow even with a cruiser AB or a 1MN MWD II, so (I'd suspect, as I have only flown the Vengeance, not the Retribution) you'd want to consider fitting a web instead of a speed mod in the one mid slot.
Why a web, and not a scrambler? Because a normal, unhindered frigate can get out of scrambler range in a matter of seconds, too fast for you to kill it before it leaves. A web, however, renders them easy targets and the only way they can leave is if they warp out. And frankly, it's actually not that common for a frigate pilot to be able to warp out once they realize that they're getting pounded. It all just happens too fast (I'd estimate that only 40% of the frigates I fight warp out before they're destroyed if I'm not using a scrambler).
Now an alternative for the Retribution might be a 10MN AB, though. The thing has enough low slots and grid to easily power a 10MN AB II, which will drive it (with good skills) above 1 km/s. Without the MWD speed penalty, this makes it a very hard target for a cruiser or battleship turret to hit. A Retribution in a tight, 1km/s orbit around a cruiser (with another frigate there as catcher) should be able to do significant damage without taking much in return.
Of course, you could always just stick something like a shield extender in and sit there as a long-range sniping tank, letting someone in something fast, like an Executor or a Vigil, be your catcher for you...
There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense |
Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.10.16 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kay Rissa
The problem with it is that it only has 1 MED slot.
So you can only fit an MWD and nothing more, you can not even kill anyone cause you are unable to warp scramble/web. And let's face it it is just a frig so it cannot instakill an indie or even another frig with a couple of rounds fired it has to win some time with a scrambler and web to spit out the necessary damage.
Venegance is better from that stand point of view i am flyin ammarian ships myself and if someone could come up qith a good config for retribution that would be awesome, but with 1 MED slot there is now way of doing that. Retribution is a cool, VERY phat and muscular ship, but unfortunatelly useless atm damn. CCP!!! add at least 1 more MED slot !!! please!!!
That's patently untrue. The Retribution is an assault ship, it's not an interceptor or a standard frigate. It's role is to dish out decent damage at long range (I don't know about the Retribution, but my Vengeance has a 10km optimal range with dual light pulse laser IIs and multifrequency crystals!), not to zip up and catch. The ships are slow even with a cruiser AB or a 1MN MWD II, so (I'd suspect, as I have only flown the Vengeance, not the Retribution) you'd want to consider fitting a web instead of a speed mod in the one mid slot.
Why a web, and not a scrambler? Because a normal, unhindered frigate can get out of scrambler range in a matter of seconds, too fast for you to kill it before it leaves. A web, however, renders them easy targets and the only way they can leave is if they warp out. And frankly, it's actually not that common for a frigate pilot to be able to warp out once they realize that they're getting pounded. It all just happens too fast (I'd estimate that only 40% of the frigates I fight warp out before they're destroyed if I'm not using a scrambler).
Now an alternative for the Retribution might be a 10MN AB, though. The thing has enough low slots and grid to easily power a 10MN AB II, which will drive it (with good skills) above 1 km/s. Without the MWD speed penalty, this makes it a very hard target for a cruiser or battleship turret to hit. A Retribution in a tight, 1km/s orbit around a cruiser (with another frigate there as catcher) should be able to do significant damage without taking much in return.
Of course, you could always just stick something like a shield extender in and sit there as a long-range sniping tank, letting someone in something fast, like an Executor or a Vigil, be your catcher for you...
There's no meaning to life when you cling only to common sense |
Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.16 18:20:00 -
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Great post shintoko, thanks 
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.16 18:20:00 -
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Great post shintoko, thanks
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AlphA13
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Posted - 2004.10.16 19:24:00 -
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still 40? or 35? is a trade against other assault possible???
In two days tomorrow will be yesterday |
AlphA13
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Posted - 2004.10.16 19:24:00 -
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still 40? or 35? is a trade against other assault possible???
In two days tomorrow will be yesterday |
Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.16 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: AlphA13
still 40? or 35? is a trade against other assault possible???
Prices are negotiable
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.16 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: AlphA13
still 40? or 35? is a trade against other assault possible???
Prices are negotiable
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.19 21:15:00 -
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*bumpity bump*
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Dr Scope
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Posted - 2004.10.19 21:15:00 -
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*bumpity bump*
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