If you actually READ the post you would, if you had a fully operational brain, realize that no experience is necessary in order to challenge the game mechanic. Unless your moon mining operation shuts off at a random point in time until reseeded, the challenge to the game mechanic stands on it's own.

You and others are merely attempting to shift the discussion to something that it is not as there is nothing that challenges the proposed ideas for the reasons stated. How many people do you guys think you can fool with your little meaningless shell game? Perhaps you will do better by attacking the validity of the minmitar republic, or the pator tech school's reputation in order to discredit the proposed ideas for the reasons stated.

I think that without technetium we'd find another source of income. In point of fact I don't even disagree with your proposal to nerf technetium, I'm looking forward to ring mining. I honestly believe ISK should enter an alliance through it's player base, not purely through rent agreements and moon goo.

My only quarrel is that you're an idiot for pretending that moon mining tech is easy or passive.

No, for the simple reason that no stats on the number of players in different parts of space has ever been published.

See, this is why people keep asking you to provide sources and data: because you keep making these kinds of unfounded and unsubstantiated claims about things that seem very unlikely for someone in the know to say, or that are simply unknowable to begin with.

I think the closest thing to this was the 2010 QEN, but that was extremely vague and didn't hint at the active population vs the visitors/market alts etc. so is unreliable and quite unusable.

Your moon mining operation isn't going to shut off at a random point in time.

It's going to shut off when PL drop titans on your POS.


Not really, I've already pointed out that I agree with you concerning changes to moon mining:


Again, my issue is merely with that fact that you are too ignorant of Eve online to have heard of the upcoming ring mining changes, and that you falsely claim moon mining technetium is an effortless procedure.

Quite simply you're just some AFK mining high sec dweller using an NPC corp alt to pose as someone with experience, and posting a thinly veiled anti-goon, anti-suicide ganking thread of tears.

Not to mention the fact that your thread completely misses the point. Goons didn't fund the original hulkageddons, and the amount required to fund them is so trivial they don't need technetium to do it anyway. I could personally fund quite a few hulkageddons if the cost quoted on the previous page is accurate.

1) It's actually the miners who say that in response to suggestions that they fit a tank, and they're unhappy (and wrong about it).

2) Holding a Tech moon requires a large fleet. Having a large fleet on hand to defend the POS doesn't sound like something that's particularly AFK to me...

Those statistics, like all that have been published before and after it, only count characters GÇö not players (and the fanfest economy presentaiton has the latest snapshot).

Players Gëá characters. As always, a case can easily be made that the ~70% character portion in highsec actually translates into there being less than 40% highsec players.

Your reading comprehension skills need some extensive training. Time and again it's the gankers making the statement not the gankees..

All of one moon has been seriously challenged in how long?

So what you are saying is that you have numbers that are meaningless because it does not actually track what you are trying to suggest it does, all while saying that you know it does not .......are you serious?

Those statistics, like all that have been published before and after it, only count characters GÇö not players (and the fanfest economy presentaiton has the latest snapshot).

Players Gëá characters. As always, a case can easily be made that the ~70% character portion in highsec actually translates into there being less than 40% highsec players.

So what you are saying is that you have numbers that are meaningless because it does not actually track what you are trying to suggest it does, all while saying that you know it does not .......are you serious? You do realize with your logic that we could actually say that the 30% in 0.0, or whatever pecentage it is is really 10% as many people have active scouts, as in accounts that they use to scout out a system before they fly their acting main account into it, and inactive scouts that sit cloaked in a system for whatever reason. But...then again by your estimates and soft numbers we could be looking at 5% of the actual player base is out in 0.0 becaus there are going to be people with 10 accounts/characters out in 0.0.

Your reading comprehension skills need some extensive training. Time and again it's the gankers making the statement not the gankees..

All of one moon has been seriously challenged in how long?

I wonder if CCP can even find out the information regarding the percentage of player action by sec/region rather than by character?

I'm serious.

You are not. If you were, you would have read what I wrote rather than invent your own truth.

What I'm saying is that the numbers we have doesn't count the thing that people who like to quote those numbers claim they count. No, 70% of players do not live in highsec. A completely unknown and unknowable percentage of players live in highsec.

Nice strawman, though. No, wait. It was actually pretty awful.

hahah, you continue to prove how big of a fool you really are. ...If you were to actually do so your vapid statements would...fall apart. Those with the reading comprehension of an 8 year old will see past your meaningless, and baseless statements.

But again, please try again.

No, you came over here with your baseless numbers

1) Bull.

2) Couple months. But that's only because of the large fleets the owners have fielded every single time one has been.

They can probably estimate it, but they'd have a hard time figuring out which region a player associates himself with anyway. Yes, he has 14 highsec PI/industry alts, but he considers himself a lowsec pirate (which fills up that final 15th character slot).

GǪbut more than that, the tricky part is that the whole Gǣ48,129% lives in highsec, woe is us!Gǥ whine relies on the notion that all of those who live there want the same thing on matters such as seclevel balance, security, activities, reward levels, and whatever else is their pet peeve. Even if 70% of the players actually lived in highsec, what is the percentage that feels that highsec is being unfairly treated by CCP? How many of them think that nullsec is a bigger problem that requires more developer attention? How many of them think highsec actually needs to be even more unsafe, low-rewarding, activity-restricted etc.?


We haven't even gotten past that first bit about getting any kind of useful population metric GÇö the actually difficult bit that lays beyond that never even comes up, and that's the bit that really mattersGǪ

1) Bull.

2) Couple months. But that's only because of the large fleets the owners have fielded every single time one has been.

Hell a goon admitted earlier that they are even botting hulkageddon by automating payouts..

You are still rambling on about this strawman of yours?

1-100% of the player base living in 0.0 does not rectify the problem with a busted game mechanic that does not fit the image of what CCP is trying to forge.

As I understood it, the only automation was in collating killmail/API info to help keep track of the bounty payouts. That isn't botting, since the actual payouts are handled by a real person.

GǪexcept that my numbers are not baseless.

You're confusing me with you.

I came over here with CCP's official numbers, based on their collection methods, and then explained that the people quoting them were quoting them wrong. I didn't attempt to act as though I knew what I was talking about; knew what I was talking about and pointed out that those quoting the number incorrectly did not.

Your insistence on using strawmen, ad hominems, appeals to (unproven) authority, red herrings, and whatever fallacy you manage to dredge out next doesn't change this very simple fact: no, 70% of players do not live in highsec GÇö the percentage of players living in highsec is unknown and unknowable.

Oh so they are only partially botting the event..

Oh so they are only partially botting the event..

Oh, fuckin Aye! Pardon me, I did not ******* know that you were more of a ******* expert at CCP's numbers then CCP!

What would the world do without you fanboys to correct those idiots at ccp at the use of their own numbers.

Oh, fuckin Aye! Pardon me, I did not ******* know that you were more of a ******* expert at CCP's numbers then CCP! You have amazed me with your stellar performance of absolutely nothing regarding nothing to do with the discussion! I forgot that fanboys with numbers from the official source are more god damn expert at applying said numbers then a well funded company with an inherent interest in understanding the trends within the use of their own product to better understand how to make more money and maintain the hahah..."integrity" of their product.

What would the world do without you fanboys to correct those idiots at ccp at the use of their own numbers.

The simple fact remains: no, 70% of players do not live in highsec GÇö the percentage of players living in highsec is unknown and unknowable. No amount of ranting and raving from your side will change this fact. You're better off calming down and just admit that the argument you tried to make based on this claim was, in fact, without any basis; that the supposed problem that such a statistic would create may actually not exist.

It would be interesting to see if a moon can be depleted, but the rate of attrition to be throttled. Something like an oil well where there is a certain re-accumulation (depleted oil wells do come back after a while) rate and how much is mined out of it.

This would mean that an alliance building ships like there was no tomorrow would mine their resources flat, and others that do not engage in stupid-ship-sacrifice/blob tactics would have resources on the long term. Resources should be depleted because the basis for most conflict is over resources. If our real world had infinite resources and free energy, there would be no wars but every nation would have at least 100 aircraft carriers, even Iceland.
(they would be long aircraft carriers, with oars).

running a moon goo POS is hardly passive

go build a POS over a tech moon and tell us again how little work it is