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Cmdr HwaRang	Posted - 2009.08.20 05:06:00 - [1] I fly a standard issue Mega (insured of course), equipped as follows High Slots: 4 Blasters T1 with Large Antimatter charges 1 Salvager 1 Prototype cloaking device Mid Slots: 2 Heavy Electrochemical Batteries with 800 cap boosters 1 Cap Recharger II ECCM Burst II Low Slots: 3 Large Armor Repairer II's 5 Warp Core Stabilizers II's Drones: 5 Ogre II's I use this setup to rat in 0.0, relying on the Ogre II's and blasters to do the DPS. It also helps when I get a couple of pilots trying to warp scramble me. The stabs ALWAYS works and I warp to my safe spot and instantly cloak (downside is the tracking time and loss of targeting range - but the stabs keep me alive so that i can warp away). The ECCM burst works when I have a player pounding away on me as I'm waiting for my ship to go into warp - blows their locks and with the reppers going - I make it away in my Mega and not in a pod. The 2 Electrochemical batteries with 800 cap boosters is to keep my cap going - especially with the 3 large T2 reppers going. This setup has kept me alive and I've escaped many sticky situations. Only thing I need to figure out is HOW TO STAY ALIVE WHEN A BUBBLE IS DROPPED ON ME. I haven't had that happen yet. But I think with my setup, I can still warp away to my safe spots and cloak even if a bubble is dropped on me. Any comments to improve this setup is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cmdr HwaRang
Eldern Minderhost	Posted - 2009.08.20 05:31:00 - [2] MY RAVEN WAS EQUIPPED WITH THE FOLLOWING seriously, 0/10 fail troll. If it's not a troll, learn a bit more about the game.
Chicksnbanana	Posted - 2009.08.20 05:31:00 - [3] grow some balls
Herpes Sweatrash	Posted - 2009.08.20 16:18:00 - [4] I use similar but my dominix has mix of cargo expander and warp stabiliser in low so I can carry as much loot as possible. I fit a large nos so not have to rely on cap booster (they take room I need for loots). Way I stop get attacked is I stay aligned at all times to safe spot. If someone comes while I am salvaging I will get drones pop the wrecks, recall and instantly cloak.
fmercury NibbleTek	Posted - 2009.08.20 16:56:00 - [5] You're an idiot. Fit an mwd so you have a hope in hell of getting back to gates if you jump into a camp. You don't need stabs if you're not functionally ******ed and can look at local. When it goes up, warp to your safe.
Friggz Dirt Nap Squad	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:00:00 - [6] I find just not logging in at all keeps me alive, if you log in there is a chance you might die, and thats unacceptable.
Kigul	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:01:00 - [7] <forum trolling> A hic lands on you in a belt, or you jump into a gate camp with a hick. You can have 1ballzion stabs and still be doing 130ms back to the gate. What is your locking range on that, like 20km? with a scan rez of 20? In this situation and with this fit, would be more proffitable to rail through lvl 3's and sell charters or some such things. </forum tolling>
Zal Dakkar	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Friggz I find just not logging in at all keeps me alive, if you log in there is a chance you might die, and thats unacceptable. This.
Greg6	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:53:00 - [9] Heh. Given the informative and helpful nature of the replies I'd say you've hit on a fit that will protect you and **** the pirates and griefers right off. Well done. :)
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.08.20 17:56:00 - [10] What I do is fit my Armageddon with eight large smartbombs, an MWD and cap injectors and eight WCS in the low slots. Then I yell "ramming speed!" (my wife doesn't like this) and approach the rats at full power, setting off all the smartbombs as I go.
Eldern Minderhost	Posted - 2009.08.21 02:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Greg6 Heh. Given the informative and helpful nature of the replies I'd say you've hit on a fit that will protect you and ** the pirates and griefers right off. Well done. :) I'll bite. It's not that this will ** us off, it's that it fails. Quite simply, it fails. Horribly. Appallingly. It will not protect you from any decent pirate gang and makes you insanely bad at your stated goal of ratting compared to better set-up ships. If you jump into a camp you are toast, if a HIC warps in on you, you are screwed, your combat ability is so gimped by the WCS that you wonm't even be able to fight back at all should you be jumped by a HIC.
Bioscanner	Posted - 2009.08.21 03:44:00 - [12] Cmdr HwaRang: Do not worrie about others in this thread, for the most part if anything in EVE is a for sertain it is that one is always learning new tricks to stay alive or work on ways to distroy the another ass hat. Go with what works for you mate, and may it for ever make a mokery of them ass hats out there. Cheers, Tintin
Bo'Tox Amarr	Posted - 2009.08.21 05:18:00 - [13] HI, Your assuming that your only going to be ganked by 1-5 people in a 0.0 belt. Gangs 'usually' travel in 10-20 for Small gangs just to protect thier assets in 0.0. So, you have no hope of warping away when you've been ganked by 20 ships... Actually the only guarantee you have is of being "transported" back to your Clone Station! :) So it may work for one belt, but good luck in True Zero Sec.
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.08.21 08:40:00 - [14] Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 21/08/2009 08:48:38 Originally by: Cmdr HwaRang I fly a standard issue Mega (insured of course), equipped as follows High Slots: 4 Blasters T1 with Large Antimatter charges 1 Salvager 1 Prototype cloaking device Mid Slots: 2 Heavy Electrochemical Batteries with 800 cap boosters 1 Cap Recharger II ECCM Burst II Low Slots: 3 Large Armor Repairer II's 5 Warp Core Stabilizers II's Drones: 5 Ogre II's I use this setup to rat in 0.0, relying on the Ogre II's and blasters to do the DPS. It also helps when I get a couple of pilots trying to warp scramble me. The stabs ALWAYS works and I warp to my safe spot and instantly cloak (downside is the tracking time and loss of targeting range - but the stabs keep me alive so that i can warp away). The ECCM burst works when I have a player pounding away on me as I'm waiting for my ship to go into warp - blows their locks and with the reppers going - I make it away in my Mega and not in a pod. The 2 Electrochemical batteries with 800 cap boosters is to keep my cap going - especially with the 3 large T2 reppers going. This setup has kept me alive and I've escaped many sticky situations. Only thing I need to figure out is HOW TO STAY ALIVE WHEN A BUBBLE IS DROPPED ON ME. I haven't had that happen yet. But I think with my setup, I can still warp away to my safe spots and cloak even if a bubble is dropped on me. Any comments to improve this setup is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cmdr HwaRang Oh dear. This is such a newbie fit that it's surprising to see on a BS. Unfortunately, you asked in general, which is flame central. The problem here seems to be your priorities. I'm going to assume by renegade you are not ratting in your own Alliances space, but some other system. 5 WCS is fail, even at T2. You gimp yourself so badly, and why are you renegading again? Just rat in your own space, it's much more cost efficient. Crappy dps means you should be looting not just salvaging. Personally, in 0.0 if my drone bay is 125m or smaller, large drones don't get fit on my ships. Mediums and a bunch of smalls. The extra dps vs rats isn't worth the vulnerability vs tacklers, and the smalls can take out any tacklers that show up unexpectedly. I've no use for 2 800 batteries ratting. It may look good on EFT but it's total crap. No room for loot with all those charges in your bay, they won't last very long when you do have to use them--you just don't have the cargo to hold that many 800s. If you can't get by with 1 400 cap injector, I'd seriously reconsider the fit. 3 large ARs Eww, that uses up so much cap it's disgusting. Slap on two hardeners of whatever the rats do, or your expected opposition. At worst, 2 1600s and 1LAR is better. Oh, and I don't see a DC. If you want to ninja rat, I suggest something smaller, a cruiser, BC, or hac. When I moved to 0.0 I ratted just fine in my arbitrator. Personally, I used to stick a cloak on my ratting boat. Now I fit a neut instead and am constantly watching local and the intelligence channels. If you're getting into lots of situations where you feel you need those WCSs then you need to work on your paranoia skills. In general, you only stick a WCS on a ship if you are in transit between two systems. You don't fit it on a fighter. Although there are some situations where ONE WCS can be a good idea on a fighter, it's going to be a smaller ship where the penalty won't hurt as much. -- EVE is about balls, brains, and paranoia. SP comes in a distant fourth place.
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.08.21 09:07:00 - [15] Above poster must be pretty good at PvP. Afterall he's in LFA and he fits 5 lowslots on an Armageddon.
Kessiaan Minmatar Aitvaras Strategic Industries	Posted - 2009.08.21 12:48:00 - [16] sniff sniff I smell a troll! There's no way that setup would actually work - he'd run out of cap boosters after like 1 belt and he wouldn't be able to lock a Titan sitting right next to him with 5 WCS. Not to mention the first HIC or bubble camp he ran into would utterly annihilate him, then they'd laugh at his killmail for a while.
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.08.21 16:06:00 - [17] OP, if you want a serious setup, just fit a normal ratting Megathron with ordinary gank and tank, and add a cloak. Do not use cap boosters; those are for PVP when the fight will only last a few minutes or seconds. Your fitting must be nearly cap-stable so you can continue destroying rats as long as you want. Use a disposable alt character (or ask a friend) to scout the way for you into a juicy system with lots of belts. Follow him there. Make lots of safespots in the system. (To make a safespot, warp from one planet to another and make a bookmark in between.) Now commence ratting. If anybody else enters local, warp immediately to a safespot and hit your cloak. Do not decloak until they leave. Do not attempt to go to another system unless you have your disposable alt scout the gate on both sides and make sure its safe.
Blackk Ops Amarr Blackk Ops Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2009.08.22 00:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Cmdr HwaRang I fly a standard issue Mega (insured of course), equipped as follows High Slots: 4 Blasters T1 with Large Antimatter charges 1 Salvager 1 Prototype cloaking device Mid Slots: 2 Heavy Electrochemical Batteries with 800 cap boosters 1 Cap Recharger II ECCM Burst II Low Slots: 3 Large Armor Repairer II's 5 Warp Core Stabilizers II's Drones: 5 Ogre II's I use this setup to rat in 0.0, relying on the Ogre II's and blasters to do the DPS. It also helps when I get a couple of pilots trying to warp scramble me. The stabs ALWAYS works and I warp to my safe spot and instantly cloak (downside is the tracking time and loss of targeting range - but the stabs keep me alive so that i can warp away). The ECCM burst works when I have a player pounding away on me as I'm waiting for my ship to go into warp - blows their locks and with the reppers going - I make it away in my Mega and not in a pod. The 2 Electrochemical batteries with 800 cap boosters is to keep my cap going - especially with the 3 large T2 reppers going. This setup has kept me alive and I've escaped many sticky situations. Only thing I need to figure out is HOW TO STAY ALIVE WHEN A BUBBLE IS DROPPED ON ME. I haven't had that happen yet. But I think with my setup, I can still warp away to my safe spots and cloak even if a bubble is dropped on me. Any comments to improve this setup is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cmdr HwaRang Please, PLEASE tell me where you're gonna be.
Aka A1exander	Posted - 2009.08.22 10:57:00 - [19] hmm
Iria Ahrens Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.08.22 10:58:00 - [20] Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 22/08/2009 11:11:20 Originally by: Suas Above poster must be pretty good at PvP. Afterall he's in LFA and he fits 5 lowslots on an Armageddon. rofl. Touche. I will say in my defense that that was my very first BS and I was in the process of getting it fit, warping from one station to another getting the parts I needed, when an inty logged on and caught me with my pants down and held me down long enough for his friends to show up. In short, I didn't own that BS for 20 minutes before it got blown away. Maybe 5 minutes outside the station. Didn't even fit drones because I was going to "be right back" and of course I hadn't insured it. Meh. The lesson I learned that day was fly around in my cov-ops and pick up the modules first, don't fly around with a partially fitted ship. That's also the day I decided to drop the cloak for a heavy neut and NEVER EVER undock a BS without a loadout of small drones. If you look at my fit, you'll see that it's fitted almost entirely from rat loot, except for the T2 stuff which was taken from my cruiser. Ratting in an arby was too slow and I was hoping to step up my dps a bit. :( Oh well, don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and learn from your mistakes. Right? I'm just passing down the lessons I learned the hard way. -- EVE is about balls, brains, and paranoia. SP comes in a distant fourth place.
Bidermaier Amarr Devil's Cast-a-ways	Posted - 2009.08.22 16:51:00 - [21] Rat on a steath bomber!!!
Ethan Blue	Posted - 2009.08.22 20:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Greg6 Heh. Given the informative and helpful nature of the replies I'd say you've hit on a fit that will protect you and **** the pirates and griefers right off. Well done. :) No such thing as a pirate in 0.0. You are either taking it, or losing it. Piracy inplies that there are laws against it. As far as the fit goes, just take an Assault Friget. You are Gallente, either of them would do.... you are more mobile, agile, good dps, decent tank + speed, and have far less of a kick me sign on your back.
Kessiaan Minmatar Aitvaras Strategic Industries	Posted - 2009.08.23 00:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Greg6 Heh. Given the informative and helpful nature of the replies I'd say you've hit on a fit that will protect you and **** the pirates and griefers right off. Well done. :) If you honestly believe this I highly recommend you use the OP's fit next time you're out and about in low/nullsec. After all, it works and we're all just lying scumbag griefers.
Magnus Aramis	Posted - 2009.08.23 11:08:00 - [24] Funny i think we popped a similar build to this a few weeks ago. It was actually quite funny to hear him beg for his life in local.
Allaera Caldari Star Phukkers Incorporated	Posted - 2009.08.27 07:48:00 - [25] This stinks of troll...meh! Doesn't change the fact that..... [WTB] 8x low slot Megathron!!
Xandi Crews	Posted - 2009.08.27 23:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Allaera This stinks of troll...meh! Doesn't change the fact that..... [WTB] 8x low slot Megathron!! OK, type "Megathron navy issue" into your contracts search bar.
ChickenOfDoom	Posted - 2009.08.28 17:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker OP, if you want a serious setup, just fit a normal ratting Megathron with ordinary gank and tank, and add a cloak. Do not use cap boosters; those are for PVP when the fight will only last a few minutes or seconds. Your fitting must be nearly cap-stable so you can continue destroying rats as long as you want. Use a disposable alt character (or ask a friend) to scout the way for you into a juicy system with lots of belts. Follow him there. Make lots of safespots in the system. (To make a safespot, warp from one planet to another and make a bookmark in between.) Now commence ratting. If anybody else enters local, warp immediately to a safespot and hit your cloak. Do not decloak until they leave. Do not attempt to go to another system unless you have your disposable alt scout the gate on both sides and make sure its safe. this. Perfect strategy. If you fit your ship cheaply you don't even have to pay all that much attention and you'll still make a good profit (15mil ship replacement cost after insurance, a loss or so every two weeks).
kyrieee Brutal Deliverance Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.08.29 12:27:00 - [28] Stabs won't save you http://768-k.eve-tools.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=488
Smokin' Dragon Holy Grail Construction	Posted - 2009.08.29 12:42:00 - [29] Edited by: Smokin'' Dragon on 29/08/2009 12:44:34 while of course this is an utter newb fit for anyone actually trying to rat AT THE KEYBOARD it makes for a very annoying Macro ratting ship, since you cant tackle it, and as soon as it registers people on grid it can warp. you'd have to jump it with a hictor or ALPHA IT to stop these nefarios ne'er do wells (or a 6 pointed inty might work? he only has 6 pts) seriosly tho, why fail at life when u can have experience, i figure writing excel spreadsheet makes you more cash than farming gold in eve, so why bother? you could have a RL and more beer
Grek Forto	Posted - 2009.08.29 17:29:00 - [30] Successfull troll is successfull! (Not keylogger link, duh)

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