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Gatedeath
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:16:00 -
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Since you seem hellbent on destroying carriers in this game, please at least leave them SOME functionality. The fuel bay is WAY WAY to small. As it is, I can barely hold enough fuel in my bay to make a full range jump with JDC5. ( fuel conserv 4 )
At the end of that jump, I have literally almost 0 room for stront in my hold should I need to triage. And space for fuel getting home? Nope. Not enough.
Basically, I simply cannot hold enough fuel in my fuel bay to make 2 max range JDC5 jumps in a row without refueling. Thats just stupid. Along with this nerf.
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Femaref
Armageddon Day
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Femaref on 21/08/2009 21:25:44
You got 3km¦ fuelbay, and the cargohold, which yields to the same or more volume you had before the patch. If you have problems now, you had problems then. I don't see your point.
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:27:00 -
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Of course you can always use the Corp hanger. 
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Femaref
Edited by: Femaref on 21/08/2009 21:25:44
You got 3km¦ fuelbay, and the cargohold, which yields to the same or more volume you had before the patch. If you have problems now, you had problems then. I don't see your point.
I think the point was that CCP is making the executive decision about how much fuel a carrier *should* carry around with it. If it can't be used for anything else, I'm all for having huge fuel bays.
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Femaref
Armageddon Day
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo
Originally by: Femaref
Edited by: Femaref on 21/08/2009 21:25:44
You got 3km¦ fuelbay, and the cargohold, which yields to the same or more volume you had before the patch. If you have problems now, you had problems then. I don't see your point.
I think the point was that CCP is making the executive decision about how much fuel a carrier *should* carry around with it. If it can't be used for anything else, I'm all for having huge fuel bays.
you can't make it too huge, because then it can be used to haul pos ice fuel.
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TheMaster42
Lobster Gazelle Unicorn
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:49:00 -
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You're probably meant to carry fuel in the fuel bay and the main cargohold now. Adapt.
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Ecky X
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Posted - 2009.08.21 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Femaref
Originally by: Kismo
Originally by: Femaref
Edited by: Femaref on 21/08/2009 21:25:44
You got 3km¦ fuelbay, and the cargohold, which yields to the same or more volume you had before the patch. If you have problems now, you had problems then. I don't see your point.
I think the point was that CCP is making the executive decision about how much fuel a carrier *should* carry around with it. If it can't be used for anything else, I'm all for having huge fuel bays.
you can't make it too huge, because then it can be used to haul pos ice fuel.
You could make it 12,000m3 and it wouldn't be any better at hauling ice than it was before the change.
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Gatedeath
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:01:00 -
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Ya. sorry. not really acceptable to me. I should be able to make at least 2 full jumps, and still be able to have enough stront to make triage usefull after that. Sorry.
As it is, I dont think you CAN hold enough fuel to make more than 4-5 full jumps with JDC5.
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Neriel Odershank
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:04:00 -
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You fail so hard.
You have more space now than before.
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TheMaster42
Lobster Gazelle Unicorn
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gatedeath
Ya. sorry. not really acceptable to me.
You're probably meant to carry fuel in the fuel bay and the main cargohold now. Adapt.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.21 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kismo on 21/08/2009 22:45:48
Originally by: Ecky X
Originally by: Femaref
Originally by: Kismo
Originally by: Femaref
Edited by: Femaref on 21/08/2009 21:25:44
You got 3km¦ fuelbay, and the cargohold, which yields to the same or more volume you had before the patch. If you have problems now, you had problems then. I don't see your point.
I think the point was that CCP is making the executive decision about how much fuel a carrier *should* carry around with it. If it can't be used for anything else, I'm all for having huge fuel bays.
you can't make it too huge, because then it can be used to haul pos ice fuel.
You could make it 12,000m3 and it wouldn't be any better at hauling ice than it was before the change.
Sure, but it's not a crime if a carrier can haul ice is it? I mean, sure, it removes some utility from jump freighters for those poor saps that trained that crap but... is that even a big deal? I think I'm trying to say that POS logistics already sucks and if they want to make it harder to hold space there are other ways than making players lives miserable.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.08.22 04:14:00 -
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Carry stront/fuel in hangers/cargohold - swap to fuel hold after jump?
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.22 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Neriel Odershank
You fail so hard.
You have more space now than before.
Yeah I'm not getting it either. The effective fuel carrying capacity of all carriers was increased beyond what it was before the patch so you should be able to make even longer jumps. Is the op sure he didn't go out on a drunken roam and lose some sp?
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Vagel
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Posted - 2009.08.22 06:28:00 -
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All those totally ignorant people replying should pay a "bit" attention.
The cargo hold is now alot LESS than before - not because of a magic wand or whatever...
The good carrier pilots all used Giant Secure Containers (gsc) before the nerf.
Try use one now.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.22 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vagel
All those totally ignorant people replying should pay a "bit" attention.
The cargo hold is now alot LESS than before - not because of a magic wand or whatever...
The good carrier pilots all used Giant Secure Containers (gsc) before the nerf.
Try use one now.
Good point. Never really had to move my niddy very far so never had to resort to that. 
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.08.22 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vagel
The cargo hold is now alot LESS than before - not because of a magic wand or whatever...
The good carrier pilots all used Giant Secure Containers (gsc) before the nerf.
+2 points for actually pointing it out rather than flaming away.
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Lord Haur
Amarr
StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.08.22 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vagel
All those totally ignorant people replying should pay a "bit" attention.
The cargo hold is now alot LESS than before - not because of a magic wand or whatever...
The good carrier pilots all used Giant Secure Containers (gsc) before the nerf.
Try use one now.
And if you wanted to jump somewhere that used MORE than 500m3 of fuel?
Becuase obviously the corp hanger was so full you couldn't stick the GSC in there...
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Zenhexzen
Endless Destruction
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:02:00 -
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I would just like to point out it was not a nerf, or at least it wasn't intended to be
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Jaina Proudmoar
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gatedeath
Ya. sorry. not really acceptable to me. I should be able to make at least 2 full jumps, and still be able to have enough stront to make triage usefull after that. Sorry.
Tough ****? Luckily what should be possible isn't up to people like you.
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:17:00 -
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It was a nerf, they cu abck the normal cargohold to 25% of the original, no idea how much the fuel bay holds but it cant be enough to make up for it
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Orion GUardian
It was a nerf, they cu abck the normal cargohold to 25% of the original, no idea how much the fuel bay holds but it cant be enough to make up for it
Your tears are delicious.
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Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Logan
Your tears are delicious.
Ah, the razor-sharp wit and wry repartTe that is so characteristic of the Eve player.
It's this sort of mastery of language and incisive use of vocabulary, timing and imagery that raises the dialogue on these forums above that on other boards.
Not here are we bored by thoughtless repetition of tired and contemptibly-familiar insults, worn dull through overuse in the absence of actual creative expression, no sir.
tl:dr - Your snark lacks both style and effort. 1/10. Try harder next time.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.22 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Julia Venatrix
Originally by: Lindsay Logan
Your tears are delicious.
Ah, the razor-sharp wit and wry repartTe that is so characteristic of the Eve player.
It's this sort of mastery of language and incisive use of vocabulary, timing and imagery that raises the dialogue on these forums above that on other boards.
Not here are we bored by thoughtless repetition of tired and contemptibly-familiar insults, worn dull through overuse in the absence of actual creative expression, no sir.
tl:dr - Your snark lacks both style and effort. 1/10. Try harder next time.
And armed with with nothing moar than 10 seconds and four words she managed to get you to spend the last quarter hour refining your riposte to perfection.
I giver her a perfect 10/10
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dAn melax
Zabijaki i Pijaki
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Posted - 2009.08.22 11:13:00 -
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Troll detected :D
Mate, they make fuel bay, but you still have cargohold. So stop whining... It was not a nerf nor boost, they just split cargohold into 2.
It was boost only for black ops, so S... go away :)
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ChestyLarue
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Posted - 2009.08.22 16:57:00 -
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Exuse me if im missing something painfully obvious here, but isn't it a matter of fairly simple math. ignoring the corp hangar which was unchanged, before the patch you had 10km3 to hold fuel (possibly increased if you wanted to honor tank for logistial purposes.) now you have 3k that is not expandable, +875m3 cargo. last time I checked 3875km3 < 10km3. How is this not a nerf?
ccp is always talking about how carriers are meant to fill a logistics role, hence the crap dps.... so lets just make them less usefull for logistics and hope no one notices?
and fyi my tears are salty, and therefor should be tasted with something sweet... like a cookie.
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Letifer Deus
Bannable Offense.
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Posted - 2009.08.22 17:14:00 -
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Personally, I'm mad as hell my mining thanny got nerfed. 
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Obiwand
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.22 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: ChestyLarue
Exuse me if im missing something painfully obvious here, but isn't it a matter of fairly simple math. ignoring the corp hangar which was unchanged, before the patch you had 10km3 to hold fuel (possibly increased if you wanted to honor tank for logistial purposes.) now you have 3k that is not expandable, +875m3 cargo. last time I checked 3875km3 < 10km3. How is this not a nerf?
ccp is always talking about how carriers are meant to fill a logistics role, hence the crap dps.... so lets just make them less usefull for logistics and hope no one notices?
and fyi my tears are salty, and therefor should be tasted with something sweet... like a cookie.
I like salty tears and you should be going thru alot of them with all that smoke coming from whatever you are smoking cuz Ive never seen a carrier with a 10km cargo bay.
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galdarius
I.B.S.A. Inc
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Posted - 2009.08.22 22:41:00 -
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I think everyone is missing the main point here. CCP nerfed the cargo capacity on the carriers and gave them a fuel bay to carry FUEL. Now all i hear is carry the fuel in the corporate hanger WTF why am i burning the limited corporate hanger space i have when their is a dedicated FUEL bay. If im correct a fuelbay should be able to carry enough fuel to make multible jc5 jumps and still have room for atleast 2 cycles of stront, if it cant do that what is the point in even implementing this FUEL bay. IMO this has done nothing but severly limit the abilities of the carrier. If CCP wants to fix this they need to deffinately increse the size of the dedicated FUEL bay and get the morons to stop telling everyone to put fuel in the corporate hanger array when their is now a dedicated bay to hold it.
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Sivajini
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Posted - 2009.08.22 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: galdarius
I think everyone is missing the main point here. CCP nerfed the cargo capacity on the carriers and gave them a fuel bay to carry FUEL. Now all i hear is carry the fuel in the corporate hanger WTF why am i burning the limited corporate hanger space i have when their is a dedicated FUEL bay. If im correct a fuelbay should be able to carry enough fuel to make multible jc5 jumps and still have room for atleast 2 cycles of stront, if it cant do that what is the point in even implementing this FUEL bay. IMO this has done nothing but severly limit the abilities of the carrier. If CCP wants to fix this they need to deffinately increse the size of the dedicated FUEL bay and get the morons to stop telling everyone to put fuel in the corporate hanger array when their is now a dedicated bay to hold it.
this ccp
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Sivajini
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Posted - 2009.08.22 22:47:00 -
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give us abit more fuel the old cyno effect and everyone will be happy
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