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Posted - 2012.06.01 16:29:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The ganker loses a ship & it's mods, whatever resides in the cargohold, sec status, gains a 15 minute GCC timer, can be shot by anyone for the duration & receives no insurance payout. Can you really say the penalties are too low? Which can be replaced in minutes. Now, if it took nothing less than a 100+ mil isk battleship to gank a barge then yeah your argument would hold water. Gank dessies don't count as a real loss. Hell neither do gank battlecruisers to anyone with a mission alt. Sec status is so easy to get back up it's not even a real consideration. GCC just means some sitting in a safespot or warping around for 15 minutes while watching TV.
Mallak Azaria wrote:The gankee loses a ship & it's mods, plus whatever else resides in the cargohold. In the case of an exhumer you are talking about a lot of isk that insurance doesn't cover properly anyway. Platinum insurance payout on a Hulk is just under 60 mil. They sell for 250+ mil.
So. Lets to the math.
A relatively new player gankee loses weeks of time (ore doesn't magically appear in your station hangar) and millions of isk even after insurance (calculator is in Start Menu/All Programs/Accessories if you need it).
A smart ganker loses a few mil and has to do a few minutes of warping to shed his GCC and at most a couple of hours or so of grinding to shed his sec hit.
Again that calculator is in Start Menu/All Programs/Accessories. Give it a look.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 16:36:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:a relative new player doesnt have a hulk so that argument is out the window
Not notice the word "relatively"? You even said it. *facepalm*
I know many relatively new players in hulks.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 16:37:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The isk loss comparison is completely irrelevant to the argument being put forth. You consent to potentially losing whatever you're flying when you press undock.
You brought up the comparison. I was pointing out its problems.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 16:47:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:sorry bro, if you've been playing four months you're not anywhere near being a new player. just because someone is not capable of abstract thought and has no understanding of game mechanics doesn't mean you're relatively new, it means you're lazy which unironically is what most non-bot miners are anyways~
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/relatively
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Posted - 2012.06.01 16:55:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:You can have fun however you prefer. If station games are fun for you, by all means play them and enjoy them.
Just don't try to have fun by mining (yeah some people do actually like it). The gankers tend to think they should be able to play the game any way they want but will kill anyone else trying to do the same thing. Baffling...
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Posted - 2012.06.01 17:34:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Just don't try to have fun by ganking. The miners tend to think they should be able to play the game any way they want but will complain when anyone else tries to do the same thing. Baffling...
Hehe! Not even close. Miner playstyles do not prevent gankers from doing what they like. The reverse cannot be said.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 17:49:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Spikeflach wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:
Actually if the miner was to watch d-scan for gank ships he would pretty much ruin the playstyle of most gankers.
So in hi sec space, whenever miners see a combat ship on scan, they should hide? It has guns, and could gank you if they choose. You rarely ever see anything other than Catalysts & Thrashers used in ganks. If you do, it's a Talos or Tornado. Is 4 ships really too much for you?
Now that is some good information. Oracles too.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 17:59:00 -
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Maledictum Aideron wrote:
Local is a helluva tool.
Local means jack in high sec. Too much traffic. It has its moments though.
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