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Xavier Reign
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Posted - 2009.08.22 18:18:00 -
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i have learned that ppl cant leave well enough alone. i have my scanning skills at lvl's 3 and 4 b3 this new **** was put in i had no problem at all finding anything...includeing a radar site....now i cant find my **** with a map and bolth hands...i dont what CCP has dont to the hole scanning thing but this is bull ****....i went from the second best scaner in my corp to the worsed in less than a day...this is bull**** and needs to fixed ...skills i have, astrometrics 4, astrometric pinpointing 3, astrometric acusition 4 and astrometric rangefinding 4, im in a heron t1 frig with t1 grav rigs....there is no reason i should have to spend 15 min to find a ****ing WH....let alone 2.5 hours to find the other 3 sites in the in the system... 
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Sveminir Trpimirovic
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Posted - 2009.08.22 18:28:00 -
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Hmm, are you sure? Cause my scanning related skills are all lvl3 and I got no problems at all. Takes 7-10 min to scan a WH, and for sites i use basic core probes (takes me a same ammount of time)....
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Kva Plexcha
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Posted - 2009.08.22 18:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Xavier Reign
i have learned that ppl cant leave well enough alone. i have my scanning skills at lvl's 3 and 4 b3 this new **** was put in i had no problem at all finding anything...includeing a radar site....now i cant find my **** with a map and bolth hands...i dont what CCP has dont to the hole scanning thing but this is bull ****....i went from the second best scaner in my corp to the worsed in less than a day...this is bull**** and needs to fixed ...skills i have, astrometrics 4, astrometric pinpointing 3, astrometric acusition 4 and astrometric rangefinding 4, im in a heron t1 frig with t1 grav rigs....there is no reason i should have to spend 15 min to find a ****ing WH....let alone 2.5 hours to find the other 3 sites in the in the system...
First off, do you really know what you are doing? Radar sites are no harder, or easier to find than any other sites. Each type has different sites that have various levels of hardness to find. It doesnt matter if its a grav or a radar or a combat site. Second your skills are better than mine, you should find every site even with the t1 frig. just use sisters scan probes and launcher, this will make up for the loss of not using a t2 cov ops. Even so, you should be able to find everything now. The changes to the scanning (as far as I can tell) had nothing to do with mechanics and everything to do with graphics.
As for finding the other thing with a map, I'm sorry to hear about it, shorty.
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Isurus Paucus
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Posted - 2009.08.22 18:59:00 -
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There were some changes to how it works, but for the most part, it hasn't gotten much more difficult. It seems to me that the problem is your approach rather than any changes. If you went from best to worst scanner in your corp, that means that others aren't having the problems you are. Go back to the basic procedure for scanning and go from there.
Are you taking into account that now you can get multiple results for the same site? I've had great success by trying to fit all of the results (or near it) inside of the probe overlap.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:05:00 -
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heh.. operator error is the likely culprit
~ Santiago Fahahrri
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare
Gypsy Nation
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:56:00 -
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PEBKAC
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Abelard Nightbringer
New Foundation
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Posted - 2009.08.22 20:23:00 -
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The only mechanics that changed is that they FIXED the false hit, where if u only have 3 probes on a sig, it gives u 2 dots. Still, easy.
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Forranz
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Posted - 2009.08.22 21:06:00 -
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People like this make me happy. Less people scanning means moar for me.
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aetherguy881
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.22 23:04:00 -
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Difficult? I think it got a smidge easier.
And I do all my probing from my Myrm w/ 2 gcu's.
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.23 04:24:00 -
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I call Troll on this.
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2009.08.23 12:33:00 -
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Seems easier to me.
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Wadddi
Caldari
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.23 13:02:00 -
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Then maybe it's time to get into a covert ops.
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elorran
Minmatar
Department of Defence
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.08.23 13:08:00 -
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I was scanning for a wormhole but found this thread instead. Oh, the irony 
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Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.23 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: elorran
I was scanning for a wormhole but found this thread instead. Oh, the irony
well you found a type of hole :)
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Muskiet
Serenity Aeronautics
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Posted - 2009.08.24 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
I call Troll on this.
Me too, but I'll bite a little, call it a nibble.
You think it's hard now?
About a year ago you could spend up to an hour on really hard sites in high sec just to get a fuzzy hit while you had to fly around yourself to plant the probes (they couldn't fly then).
And you are complaining about 15 minutes?
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Unforsaken
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Posted - 2009.08.24 03:38:00 -
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13 months ago only a handful of people could scan sites out because if the difficulty and expense. Now it's a simple point and click interface that does most of the work for you and it costs almost nothing.
What EXACTLY is your complaint? If you're having trouble pinpointing, train the skills. Some sites are tough to track down, some are easy.
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Arthamel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.08.24 05:39:00 -
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Edited by: Arthamel on 24/08/2009 05:40:27
Hah, thats funny. I'm scanning in my un-rigged myrm, and so far had no problem in finding anything. I think you should see some tutorial, probably you're using probes wrong.
Edit: It takes me averange 7 min to scan, easy ones are like 4au good positioned probes, some 0.25 perfect position, still everything doable.
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Marguerite Antiki
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Posted - 2009.08.24 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Muskiet
Originally by: Zartanic
I call Troll on this.
Me too, but I'll bite a little, call it a nibble.
You think it's hard now?
About a year ago you could spend up to an hour on really hard sites in high sec just to get a fuzzy hit while you had to fly around yourself to plant the probes (they couldn't fly then).
And you are complaining about 15 minutes?
Oh my god - the painful memories - please make them stop, I love this carebear newb system where all I do is point, click and drag while I caost at some spot cloaked.
the 'good ole days' I use to do the following;
- Drop a multispec probe - wait, wait, wait, wait, wait........ wait - found a Radar sites
- Delete probe (yep ISK well spent)
- open all my manually made bookmarks for that area so I can drop Radar 4au probes to try and find the site without overlapping probes by getting them dropped inthe wrong order or flying to the wrong bookmark. Then ocne I FLEW the probes to location I then click scan and wait, wait, wait, wait, wait........ wait some more - "Nothing found". ***** and whyne and rescan, rescan rscan. Found a hit.
- Fly to hit site and delete probes (money spent again)
- Drop another probe based on hit IE 2AU Radar probe and then hit scan - wait, wait, wait, wait, wait........ wait till another hit.
- Repeat this process till you have a green hit and warp to site and have fun.
Note this process could take hours to find something and working in with others tryin to help was still a pain, and yet you cry over this sh!t?
OHFFSMAXGROWAPAIR. I and others scanned / probed with real skill, made our own book marks and did the hard yards. Check your skills, re learn and recheck your not yanking your own chain and do it right.
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Unforsaken
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Posted - 2009.08.24 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Marguerite Antiki
all I do is point, click and drag while I caost at some spot cloaked.
the 'good ole days' I use to do the following;
- Drop a multispec probe - wait, wait, wait, wait, wait........ wait - found a Radar sites
- Delete probe (yep ISK well spent)
- open all my manually made bookmarks for that area so I can drop Radar 4au probes to try and find the site without overlapping probes by getting them dropped inthe wrong order or flying to the wrong bookmark. Then ocne I FLEW the probes to location I then click scan and wait, wait, wait, wait, wait........ wait some more - "Nothing found". ***** and whyne and rescan, rescan rscan. Found a hit.
- Fly to hit site and delete probes (money spent again)
- Drop another probe based on hit IE 2AU Radar probe and then hit scan - wait, wait, wait, wait, wait........ wait till another hit.
- Repeat this process till you have a green hit and warp to site and have fun.
Note this process could take hours to find something and working in with others tryin to help was still a pain, and yet you cry over this sh!t?
OHFFSMAXGROWAPAIR. I and others scanned / probed with real skill, made our own book marks and did the hard yards. Check your skills, re learn and recheck your not yanking your own chain and do it right.
STOP! STOP!! THE BAD MEMORIES WERE ALMOST GONE!!! 
But seriously, I wish I had back all the isk I spent on probes and the time spent making those perfect bookmarks. It was truly a rich character's hobby at one time. Now any fool can do it. Well, almost any......
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Reef Skywalker
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Posted - 2009.08.29 11:28:00 -
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I am under an impression that the rigs on my Buzzard don't work like they used to before the last patch. They are large rigs somehow. It should have been converted to small size rigs while the patch was deployed - but somehow they were not.
It might be just that the large rigs don't do their job on a frigate. I have a hard time finding a signature myself (I must use smaller size of the probe so it takes more time). I have payed for my rigs though.
A simple test would be to test a same signature from the same place in space with a rigged and unrigged covert ops to see if they give diffrent results. I bet they will be equal, thus there is a bug or deployment process went bad. I don't have a spare covertops and I am in W-space so I can't do the test at the moment. Perhaps someone else would?
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HottyChick
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Posted - 2009.08.29 11:49:00 -
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Im really SHOCKED that some ppl have trouble with scanning. Like stated above it used to be hard(I did it myself) but now its a joke lol. Why do you think we have salvage ninjas? Cos its so freaking easy to find watever you want lol. A year ago there was no ninjas cos it simply wasnt possible to find someone within minutes.
Really unless u r drunk,blind you cant have a problem with scanning, even 6 year old can do it 
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Master BLING
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.08.29 13:35:00 -
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Before the new scan,I would never attempt to scan,too many probes.Now it so much easier...and once you start to think in 3D and enlarge the screen and learn to use the shift button it can be rewarding. After watching the youtube vid on scanning and actually putting the TIME in I was able to scan quite effectively after a tries.Thank God i dont have to fly to every moon to find a cosmic anom any more
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Kirgan
Caldari
Pyrognome
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Posted - 2009.08.30 05:39:00 -
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I wouldn't quite put it the way the OP did however it seems there has been some type of change in the probing since the last patch.
The rigged Falcon I used, with relevant skills at 4 and a Sisters Launcher used to find anything within a reasonable time frame until recently; then all of a sudden 85% was the closest I could get to any site except WH's.
I then equipped a Buzzard with the same rigs/launcher and was again able to find sites including the one I couldn't get past 85% previously; though it still takes longer than before I had to change ships.
The way I probe has remained constant, seems the skills or equipment has had some type of change be it intended or accidental. My guess is they pooched something when they changed the Directional scanner mechanic.
Quote:
If the opposite of Pro is Con, Then whats the opposite of Progress?
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Reef Skywalker
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Posted - 2009.08.30 11:04:00 -
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I have just verified that the large rigs work as intended on frigates, so it is not where the scanning strength loss came from.
I wonder if Signal scan strength formula is still valid. I think it was nerfed. I scan with the same ship, the same way I used to do it, and I need to use 0.25 probes quite often, while before the patch I didn't have to do it as 1au and 0.5au always did the trick.
It's okay to change it for CCP... But they kinda forgot to mention this change in the changelog.
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.30 11:14:00 -
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In this thread someone suggest that skills are not always applied correctly when switching ships. I have not done a lot of scanning since Apocrypha 1.5, maybe two or three hours worth, but I did not notice any problems.
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