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Skanufacturing
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Posted - 2009.08.25 19:53:00 -
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I'm not sure if this has been covered or not, I looked, but didn't see it.
It is my understanding that T2 indys were to play certain roles, but why do they not have 2 high slots?
Thats it really, I think having 2 hi slots on a Crane or Bustard would be great. They don't even have to be weapon slots.
-Skan
*waits for the flames, but hopes for a real answer*
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:10:00 -
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you lack to explain why you need two slots.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:11:00 -
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I think maybe the real question is why is the Prowler the only one that does (at least from what I can see, it is).
--Vel
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Orb Lati
Minmatar
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.08.25 21:16:00 -
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 Originally by: De'Veldrin
I think maybe the real question is why is the Prowler the only one that does (at least from what I can see, it is).
Shhhhh. If you get my Prowlers nerfed ill make it my personal mission in eve to hunt you down and pod you every chance i get. 
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.25 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati
Originally by: De'Veldrin
I think maybe the real question is why is the Prowler the only one that does (at least from what I can see, it is).
Shhhhh. If you get my Prowlers nerfed ill make it my personal mission in eve to hunt you down and pod you every chance i get.
Shh, I fly one too. So I don't want this either. 
The Prowler is not the ship you are looking for.
--Vel
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.25 21:59:00 -
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De's correct... the only transport ship in the game that has 2 high slots is in fact the Prowler (Minmatar vaiant - Blockade Runner/Cov Ops)
All others have 1.
Why? Don't know.. except for the fact that the Prowler is a bit short on med's and lows in comparison to others.
I tend to slap a tractor on it... but in all honesty... its not needed... and usually only has a cov ops cloak on it.
The only thing its good for is to run like hell and survive without getting shot down... other than the obvious industrial stuff.
<--- Prowler Pilot
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:31:00 -
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Blockade Runners: Small Cargo, Cloaky, Run like the ****house is on fire.
Transports: Big, lots of cargo, tough as nails.
Neighter one of them are really made for combat so the lack of high slots isn't really a problem.
--Vel
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Drichter
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:19:00 -
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Cloak + ProbeLauncher would be a obvious use ... and pretty sure lots of Prowlers doing this already.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Drichter
Cloak + ProbeLauncher would be a obvious use ... and pretty sure lots of Prowlers doing this already.
Well, yeah...but that's what makes us special.
--Vel
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Skanufacturing
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:40:00 -
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It just would make them a little more usable.
There's no reason a Badger should have 2 up top when a T2 version lacks.
I usually haul in a Bustard when I mine, since I can't fly, nor do I have an Orca, and being able to salv and tbeam rat wrecks is what made me think of this in the first place.
I'm _sure_ there are pleanty of other cool things you could do with a Transport ship, I'm just not thinking of them.
So, since no-one has linked me to where this was before, has no one brought this up?
-Skan
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.26 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Skanufacturing
It just would make them a little more usable.
There's no reason a Badger should have 2 up top when a T2 version lacks.
I usually haul in a Bustard when I mine, since I can't fly, nor do I have an Orca, and being able to salv and tbeam rat wrecks is what made me think of this in the first place.
I'm _sure_ there are pleanty of other cool things you could do with a Transport ship, I'm just not thinking of them.
So, since no-one has linked me to where this was before, has no one brought this up?
-Skan
Because they are designed to run like hell and survive... what your implying is to make them do things they are not designed to do.
This is not a big problem.... nor is it an issue. Hence why your not getting a whole heck of alot of feedback... let alone support.
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Skanufacturing
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Posted - 2009.08.26 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
what your implying is to make them do things they are not designed to do.
Ever see someone use a 'Cane or Destroyer to salv with? all those gun/missile hardpoints aren't there for no reason.
If yer gonna troll, do it right.
I know it's not high priority, and I asked if it had been brought up before.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.26 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 26/08/2009 20:18:33
Originally by: Skanufacturing
Originally by: Drake Draconis
what your implying is to make them do things they are not designed to do.
Ever see someone use a 'Cane or Destroyer to salv with? all those gun/missile hardpoints aren't there for no reason.
If yer gonna troll, do it right.
I know it's not high priority, and I asked if it had been brought up before.
Last I checked we where discussing Transport Ships.. not battle-cruisers or destroyers.
I suggest you take your own advice kid before you embarrass yourself.
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2009.08.26 23:22:00 -
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Well, since they changed the cov ops haulers to support Black Ops it only makes due sense that all of them should have twin high slots for their cloak and covert cyno, tractor, or other utility module.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2009.08.27 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Xerox
Well, since they changed the cov ops haulers to support Black Ops it only makes due sense that all of them should have twin high slots for their cloak and covert cyno, tractor, or other utility module.
It can't generate a covert cyno, so that wouldn't help. And a tractor isn't much of a utility mod for covert fleets - what are you tractoring?
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Skanufacturing
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Posted - 2009.08.27 11:16:00 -
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Doesn't matter what they were, you were making it sound like using a ship for something other than it was intended was somehow horrible and wrong.
I just pointed out two common ships that are used for other things.
and 'kid' ? :)
srsly?
Lets not bring out the internet tough guy, just go hide under your bridge or whatever it is trolls do.
-Skan
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.27 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Skanufacturing
Doesn't matter what they were, you were making it sound like using a ship for something other than it was intended was somehow horrible and wrong.
I just pointed out two common ships that are used for other things.
and 'kid' ? :)
srsly?
Lets not bring out the internet tough guy, just go hide under your bridge or whatever it is trolls do.
-Skan
You heard me.... you obviously do not understand the ships nor do you know how to use them properly if your making such ridiculous notions of how they should be used.
I suggest you go back and do your homework before you make off the wall suggestions.
They have a very specific niche....and are quite good at there job... stop trying to make it an issue that they cant do what YOU want them to do.
Herch - I fit a tractor for the purposes of grabbing cans in certain situations.. but I rarely ever need that second slot.
I wouldn't even use it for probing... If I wanted to do that I should be using a cov ops frigate or a force recon ship at that rate.
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Bellum Eternus
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.08.27 14:32:00 -
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The Prowler is *the* ship to use for w-space exploration as it has plenty of cargo capacity and can fit both a probe launcher and a cloak. All the rest of the blockade runners can't do that. Buff the other three.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.27 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
The Prowler is *the* ship to use for w-space exploration as it has plenty of cargo capacity and can fit both a probe launcher and a cloak. All the rest of the blockade runners can't do that. Buff the other three.
And that would be all it could do! No weapons... no drones... just look and run and hide.
Not very useful to me in that aspect.
Cov-ops Frigate at that rate would be better.
But ok... whatever floats your boat.
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Skanufacturing
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Posted - 2009.08.27 18:06:00 -
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Why would should one be vastly better than the rest there? A few less slots in other places, but the rest of the races all play the same..
Oh, and my homework?
I did it, and read up to see if anyone else had suggested it, couldn't find it, and since no one made a post about it, I'm going to assume no one did. I even asked if it was covered before.
Try again Mr. Troll.
-Skan
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.27 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 27/08/2009 18:11:55
Originally by: Skanufacturing
Why would should one be vastly better than the rest there? A few less slots in other places, but the rest of the races all play the same..
Oh, and my homework?
I did it, and read up to see if anyone else had suggested it, couldn't find it, and since no one made a post about it, I'm going to assume no one did. I even asked if it was covered before.
Try again Mr. Troll.
-Skan
Asking why and flying the ship are 2 entirely different things smartass.
They don't have alot of room to fit things as it is... its just a "stealth cargo can" at best.
Turning it into a salvager would work but you wouldn't have the cov ops cloaking fitted thats for sure... unless you wantted to fly up to each-and-every-wreck.
Even with defense bonuses... once you get shot at... your likely to die anyway...
As I've said... along with other pilots... they are meant to run.. and escape... not get shot at.
The fact the Prowler has a 2nd High Slot is likely to compensate for the lack of mid/low slots that other ships have.
I also have Amarrian Transport Ships as well... they tend to haul a bit more than the prolwer... but only 1 high slot... does this mean it's not fair? Hardly... It's its own niche.
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Tsubutai
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Posted - 2009.08.27 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Skanufacturing
Why would should one be vastly better than the rest there? A few less slots in other places, but the rest of the races all play the same..
Different =! better. The prowler is the only BR that can't carry a packaged cruiser hull; in return, it's the only one to get a utility high. Seems reasonable to me.
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Zeba
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.28 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
The Prowler is *the* ship to use for w-space exploration as it has plenty of cargo capacity and can fit both a probe launcher and a cloak. All the rest of the blockade runners can't do that. Buff the other three.
And that would be all it could do! No weapons... no drones... just look and run and hide.
Not very useful to me in that aspect.
Cov-ops Frigate at that rate would be better.
But ok... whatever floats your boat.
Cov ops frigate can't hold extra ammo for the site runners and store all the lovely t3 salvage now can it. Slap two grav rigs on the prowler and it will find everything you need to find in wh space as long as you have competant probe skills.
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Keitoshi Yamada
MJOCO Botanical Entheogenics Division
Mjolnir Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.28 02:16:00 -
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/signed
Honestly, all the arguing against doesn't have a solid basis.
The OP isn't talking about soloing a WH...
Plus, telling someone to use a cov ops instead of a transport ship is counter-productive, since the obvious implications for the use of this ship is as a cov ops cargo ship that has the ability to probe, tractor, or salvage, while still keeping its usual cov ops cloak.
As has been said before in this post, go back under your bridge, troll, before I use burning hands on that paper-like dry flesh.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.08.28 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Keitoshi Yamada
/signed
Honestly, all the arguing against doesn't have a solid basis.
The OP isn't talking about soloing a WH...
Plus, telling someone to use a cov ops instead of a transport ship is counter-productive, since the obvious implications for the use of this ship is as a cov ops cargo ship that has the ability to probe, tractor, or salvage, while still keeping its usual cov ops cloak.
As has been said before in this post, go back under your bridge, troll, before I use burning hands on that paper-like dry flesh.
Better check that empty brain of yours.
Hard to salvage what isn't dead... unarmed transport ships don't help much.
Or did you forget that?
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.08.28 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Hard to salvage what isn't dead... unarmed transport ships don't help much.
Until that flock of drakes starts running dry. Then that unarmed transport ship full of juicy missiles comes into its own. 
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.08.28 10:09:00 -
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*shrug* sure, i'd like a second high slot on the viator, even if it were for moon probing only -.-
but unless minmatar get some other boosts, they must keep these little advantages
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Skanufacturing
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Posted - 2009.08.28 17:29:00 -
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Glad to see it's gaining a little traction.
And Mr. Troll, you're just one of very few in this thread who are downing it b/c you don't think it's needed, or you just like to **** on other people's ideas.
Yer ongoing, useless banter is unwanted, take it back under the bridge.
-Skan
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