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PaF Daddy
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:01:00 -
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Dear Gamemasters, CCP Developers and EvE-Online community!
Firstly i have to apologize that english isnt my native language. So be aware of bad written language. :P
I play EvE since 3,5 years and i love the game. But now i got a slap in my face. Can somebody please aggree or disagree following sorrows:
1.)
I recognized that Important Storyline Missions (ISM) can be declined but it lowers factionstanding and no rise for the counter factions.
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I recognized that expiring ISM will drain factionstanding and no rise for the counter factions.
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I recognize that finishing ISM will give factionstanding and will drain the standings of the counter factions.
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Now to my Question:
How is it possible for me and my whole Corp and friends to stay in a Region WITHOUT ruining my factionstandings?
Comment:
Its a loss - loss situation for all Mission runners who want neutral standings!
It makes EvE more complicated and even unplayable. What is the purpose of loosing standing by declining an ISM? You can't enter regions if you get below -5
If you can't change region coz of infrastructure like Poses, friends and other external Elements, Mission running is DEAD.
Every 16 Missions my faction standing will get more and more crap. --> Corp Standing too. What if i am a trader? I need to go to Rens, Jita, Amarr... and all other Hubs in EvE.
Please bring back zero punishment for declining ISM's
Kindest Regards
PaF Daddy
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Vhiskey
Caldari
Imperial Forces
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:19:00 -
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1+2 are wrong, 3 is correct.
also: if you dont do missions againts other factions you will have a very very hard time to get any faction standing below -5
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PaF Daddy
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Vhiskey
1+2 are wrong, 3 is correct.
also: if you dont do missions againts other factions you will have a very very hard time to get any faction standing below -5
1+2 i have seen it in my standing history that i got a standing loss
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Salizar Amolkshue
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: PaF Daddy
1.)
I recognized that Important Storyline Missions (ISM) can be declined but it lowers factionstanding and no rise for the counter factions.
Incorrect. Declining any mission, including storylines, only generates a faction hit if you do it more often than once every 4 hours
Originally by: PaF Daddy
2.)
I recognized that expiring ISM will drain factionstanding and no rise for the counter factions.
Also incorrect. Missions that have not been accepted and subsequently expire will not generate a faction hit. The agent will send you an email saying they are unhappy about it, but it will not affect your standings.
Originally by: PaF Daddy
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I recognize that finishing ISM will give factionstanding and will drain the standings of the counter factions.
True, but the positive boost will always be more than the negative hit is (until your standings get up too high anyway). So if you keep cycling through the 4 empires they about even out, and even slowly continue to climb.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:29:00 -
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humm, the only time i lose standings is if i kill other faction rats. i've never ever lost any standings toward any other faction for running a storyline. maybe they just don't like you.
stop doing missions like enemies abound etc.. that only give tags and no bounties. these are the only missions you will have a drop in standings.
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loony thezoon
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:30:00 -
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......and derived standings don't go lower than -5.00, so diplomacy keeps you ok
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PaF Daddy
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:31:00 -
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I only mean STORYLINE missions. So declining a standard mission and getting a Storyline in the 4 hours and declining it will give me penalty??
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: PaF Daddy
I only mean STORYLINE missions. So declining a standard mission and getting a Storyline in the 4 hours and declining it will give me penalty??
why would you even consider declining a sl mission. good boost to standings and nice rewards?
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Salizar Amolkshue
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: PaF Daddy
I only mean STORYLINE missions. So declining a standard mission and getting a Storyline in the 4 hours and declining it will give me penalty??
No, only declining two missions withing the 4 hour timer for the same agent would generate a penalty. Since it is highly unlikely that you can get a second storyline mission within 4 hours of declining the last one, you should be good. Better yet, simply ignore them if you don't want to do them, they'll expire from your journal after a week, or you can even remove them from the journal by hand if you desire. No faction loss nor gain.
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PaF Daddy
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.25 20:53:00 -
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wow thx i will test it more.....
Can be closed here thx for replies :)
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.25 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Zartanic on 25/08/2009 21:11:13
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
humm, the only time i lose standings is if i kill other faction rats. i've never ever lost any standings toward any other faction for running a storyline. maybe they just don't like you.
stop doing missions like enemies abound etc.. that only give tags and no bounties. these are the only missions you will have a drop in standings.
Every storyline I do I get a faction hit. Its kind of the whole point of them, it adjusts the relative standings.
Even though I avoid faction missions I still have to do a storyline or two with another faction to stop it going too low.
I think this whole faction thing is pointless anyway in its current mechanic.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:13:00 -
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out of curiosity...whats with the big rave about neutral standings?
commitment issues?
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
out of curiosity...whats with the big rave about neutral standings?
commitment issues?
It's really quite simple. If you have NO STANDING with a corp or a faction, then the game doesn't figure you into the corporate average.
Let's say you're talking about a corp that wants a high standing with the Amarr Empire to anchor a hi-sec POS, or wants a high corp standing with the Ministry of Information so the corp members can all get jump clones there. The corp has 17 members. One has a standing of 8.50, one has a 7.32, one has a 4.19, one has a 1.33, one has a 0.12, one has a -0.55, and the rest have no standing at all. The game will add those non-zero numbers together and average them, giving an overall corp standing of 3.485, far too low to do either. If one person had an 8.5 and nobody else had any standing, the entire corp would have an 8.5 standing thus allowing both.
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D34TH
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Posted - 2009.08.26 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: D34TH on 26/08/2009 02:47:30
2 is really the only thing you are wrong about, if you do not decline the mission instead dont even talk to the agent your faction standings will not change....
but- (and this is the part that i have always been upset about) if you take some normal missions (if you care about empire standings i'm talking about npc pirate missions, if you care about npc pirate standings i'm talking about empire missions) your faction standings change almost irretrievably and the only valid ways to rescue a negative faction standings dissapear after a while no matter what you do.
**why i care** i have 9+ standing with blood raiders and caldari navy and corporate police force and am getting close to 9+ on peace and order unit -
because i like the ability to get level 5 missions and the idea that after delve quiets down i can continue to get faction ships through missioning for the blood raiders - level 5 missions also kill your faction standing with other empires as well --- sucky ---
but the way to achieve actual neutral standing is (while your pirate faction is still higher than -2) to go mission for npc pirates and allow that network of friendships to reverse the gains that you get from empire faction missions. but since they are spread out across all of 0.0 it would be hard to have a blue standing with the player alliances that control all those areas that the npc's are in sansha's, angels, guristas etc
the thing that people miss is that the empires arent really opposing the faction standing just bleeds (more or less) over from one to the other. the criminals and the empires are actually opposing.
and if i could opt out of the faction system entirely i would or if i could work for multiple criminal npcs in just one area (where i only have to pay/fly for one alliance)
i'd love to balance my faction standings back out (it would be unlikely to get completely neutral tho)
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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.08.26 03:45:00 -
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The standing system stops you from doing things in the game, a very negative mechanic. I wish CCP would look at a better way to implement it.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.08.26 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Salizar Amolkshue
Originally by: PaF Daddy
I only mean STORYLINE missions. So declining a standard mission and getting a Storyline in the 4 hours and declining it will give me penalty??
No, only declining two missions withing the 4 hour timer for the same agent would generate a penalty. Since it is highly unlikely that you can get a second storyline mission within 4 hours of declining the last one, you should be good. Better yet, simply ignore them if you don't want to do them, they'll expire from your journal after a week, or you can even remove them from the journal by hand if you desire. No faction loss nor gain.
Besides, a second storyline would be from a DIFFERENT agent. You can't have 2 missions from a single agent at the same time - storyline or otherwise.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.26 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
Originally by: PaF Daddy
I only mean STORYLINE missions. So declining a standard mission and getting a Storyline in the 4 hours and declining it will give me penalty??
why would you even consider declining a sl mission. good boost to standings and nice rewards?
There is a good number of storylines that are against empire factions, so people would prefer to avoid those, then there are the combat storylines in low sec, generally not the smartest move and the 40K hauling storyline that a lot of people dislike and has a tendency to cross low sec with some agent.
All reasons to decline a storyline.
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Lilith Krell
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
out of curiosity...whats with the big rave about neutral standings?
commitment issues?
^ This ^
Basiclly, if you mission run for a faction then naturally their enemies are gonna dislike you...call it forced role play, call it what you like but it makes perfect sense to me; we can't all be neutral in times of war, pick a side and suffer the consequences you sissies...
OR, stop running missions...there are other things to do in EVE, and if you insist on being a dedicated MR, then live with the (small) negatives seeing as how you have a pretty much risk free income anyways...as for the mixed corp pos probelm, either suck it up a RP by missioning as a corp to raise standings (it wouldn't hurt you to at least pay attention to some of the backstory) or just have your members with lower standings leave the corp for a week, wait for standings to rise and put up the pos - once it's up the corpies can come back as your corp standings don't matter once it's up...
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