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Dontronics
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:15:00 -
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I'm a pretty new character, and as it stands I'm planning on moving up to a Moa cruiser pretty soon, however everywhere I look all I see is people saying "LOLMOA" "joke ship" etc.. I mean I'm going to fly the ship regardless, but is it seriously as terrible as everyone makes it out to be, or is that just the FOTM players and EFT warriors who've never actually tried the ship out?
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:18:00 -
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A well fit well skilled Moa can surprise people... but it's a foregone conclusion when up against a well fit well skilled first class cruiser (such as a Vexor, or Thorax, or Rupture, etc). So yeah, it's "that bad", but it's also not *that* bad.
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Zee Vee
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:20:00 -
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Go to battleclinic and look up the stats for SK Rooster and you'll see the ship is quite effective if flown by someone that actually knows what they're doing.
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:25:00 -
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I've seen Moas used amazingly effective. Just by the sheer face most people go lolz a Moa
Old corp mate (who had very little SP) used to sit around gates in low sec pretending to be AFK, he'd tank the **** out of it and just tackle his target till the sentries killed them. He got like 5-10kills a day.
Cruisers and BC's mostly but he even got a few HACs I think. Not bad for a noob in a Moa
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Saint Lazarus
I've seen Moas used amazingly effective. Just by the sheer fact most people go "lolz a Moa"
Old corp mate (who had very little SP) used to sit around gates in low sec pretending to be AFK, he'd tank the **** out of it and just tackle his target till the sentries killed them. He got like 5-10kills a day.
Cruisers and BC's mostly but he even got a few HACs I think. Not bad for a noob in a Moa
 Now that's a good use of the ship. I'm betting you can put a hell of a passive tank. Probably works even better these days with the scram changes.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 26/08/2009 00:37:33
Part of the problem is that people love blasters, when the moa (like all Caldari gunboats) are designed to be used at range. Allow me to quote the Moa's ship description
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The Moa was designed as an all-out combat ship, and its heavy armament allows the Moa to tackle almost anything that floats in space. In contrast to its nemesis the Thorax, the Moa is most effective at long range where its railguns and missile batteries can rain death upon foes.
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adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:50:00 -
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A PROPER flown and fit Moa is deadly, in fact it's the only cruiser duel I've ever lost when flying a rupture (and also an incredibly close fight!), that's with a partial low grade slave set too Having tested the ship after that fight in a proper way, it is definitively a good ship.
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Mr Reason
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 26/08/2009 00:37:33
Part of the problem is that people love blasters, when the moa (like all Caldari gunboats) are designed to be used at range. Allow me to quote the Moa's ship description
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The Moa was designed as an all-out combat ship, and its heavy armament allows the Moa to tackle almost anything that floats in space. In contrast to its nemesis the Thorax, the Moa is most effective at long range where its railguns and missile batteries can rain death upon foes.
You say that but blasters are very short range, a moa with blasters is actually quite decent and puts out more dps than you'd give it credit for.
[Moa, shield tank]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Scrambler II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Small Energy Neutralizer II
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Warrior II x3
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Khandahar Bob
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dontronics
I'm a pretty new character, and as it stands I'm planning on moving up to a Moa cruiser pretty soon, however everywhere I look all I see is people saying "LOLMOA" "joke ship" etc.. I mean I'm going to fly the ship regardless, but is it seriously as terrible as everyone makes it out to be, or is that just the FOTM players and EFT warriors who've never actually tried the ship out?
You will find people criticizing every ship that is not a Rifter or T2; in truth, you really can use any ship to good effect, as long as you use it intelligently.
Moa has some great bonuses; try designing around them and see what you come up with.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: adriaans
A PROPER flown and fit Moa is deadly, in fact it's the only cruiser duel I've ever lost when flying a rupture (and also an incredibly close fight!), that's with a partial low grade slave set too Having tested the ship after that fight in a proper way, it is definitively a good ship.
You'll have to share said fit because I've not ever heard of a fit I'd think would beat a rupture. Was this back before the nos nerf and he was mounting an active tank or something?
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Vidi Angelus
Caldari
Crystal Dynamics
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.26 00:59:00 -
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[Moa, sniper]
Reactor Control Unit II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
Small Energy Neutralizer II
Ancillary Current Router I
Ancillary Current Router I
Ionic Field Projector I
150DPS at 130KM with spike, and 260 DPS with navy antimatter at 35KM optimal. All excluding drones.
If you swap the fitting rigs for tech II, you can fit a medium neut, Giving you a better chance of escaping fast tackle.
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adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kismo
Originally by: adriaans
A PROPER flown and fit Moa is deadly, in fact it's the only cruiser duel I've ever lost when flying a rupture (and also an incredibly close fight!), that's with a partial low grade slave set too Having tested the ship after that fight in a proper way, it is definitively a good ship.
You'll have to share said fit because I've not ever heard of a fit I'd think would beat a rupture. Was this back before the nos nerf and he was mounting an active tank or something?
i tested using dual LSE buffer, mwd, scram, web, 3 dmg mods, electron blasters, version
not before nos nerf no, about a month ago, here's my lossmail so you can see the ruppie fit: Linky , there's moa loss on there, not sure if the pilot changed fit after our fight, but i was massively surprised to see the fit. pilot might have had crystals + blue pill, never asked actually.
normally i kite blaster boats (and besides i landed in scram range of him so no mwd), but a moa has range bonus so that idea went rather bad (range bonus/and falloff for that matter bonuses on blasters makes very good ships). Looking back on my fraps, i could've won i guess, but still, props to the pilot.
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Originally by: UMEE
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Talon Calais
Gallente
1st Steps Academy
Tread Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zee Vee
Go to battleclinic and look up the stats for SK Rooster and you'll see the ship is quite effective if flown by someone that actually knows what they're doing.
He has a strange love for Moas and Eagles. We never understood it.
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Justin Cody
Caldari
Apocalypse Enterprises
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.28 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Talon Calais
Originally by: Zee Vee
Go to battleclinic and look up the stats for SK Rooster and you'll see the ship is quite effective if flown by someone that actually knows what they're doing.
He has a strange love for Moas and Eagles. We never understood it.
Moas are great ships. You can surprise opponents if you fit it well. That doesn't mean you won't lose, but I've killed drakes and prophecies before. They aren't fit right themselves...but you'd think the HP diff and dps diff alone would do it...nope.
Moa can be incredible, but the pilot has to have a will of steel and *********/ovaries made of bronze.
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.08.28 14:54:00 -
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The Moa is a great ship. The blaster fit shown above by Mr Reason is usually the same one I fly with, except sometimes I will swap out the neut for an assault launcher or one of the LSE's for a web and upgrade the guns. If you're going with the pure tank fit and you have other ships with you to do the webbing, you can also throw on some shield resist rigs or CDFE's once they come down in price.
Frankly it won't ever compete with the Vexor or even the Thorax when it comes to blaster ships but it's far from useless, fun to fly, you don't have to slow yourself down by armor tanking like you do with those other blaster cruisers. Most importantly, you'll surprise people as no one ever expects a Moa to actually be fit properly and fight back.
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Xandi Crews
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Posted - 2009.08.28 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 26/08/2009 00:37:33
Part of the problem is that people love blasters, when the moa (like all Caldari gunboats) are designed to be used at range. Allow me to quote the Moa's ship description
Quote:
The Moa was designed as an all-out combat ship, and its heavy armament allows the Moa to tackle almost anything that floats in space. In contrast to its nemesis the Thorax, the Moa is most effective at long range where its railguns and missile batteries can rain death upon foes.
Allow me to quote my *******
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Ship descriptions are utterly meaningless in the context of real pvp
Hope this helps.
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