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Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.01 23:29:00 - [1] - Quote I'm relatively new to EVE - but was wondering if somebody to direct me to a reputable auditor to audit my trading proficiency, who audits for a decent price. Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Darth Tickles Dark Sun Consortium 598	Posted - 2012.06.01 23:32:00 - [2] - Quote I usually step up when the main auditor, VV, is really busy, which he is right now. I don't exactly love doing it, but somebody has to. Send me your full API keys and the 250m fee, and I'll try and have the report done by Monday.
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.01 23:39:00 - [3] - Quote Darth Tickles wrote: I usually step up when the main auditor, VV, is really busy, which he is right now. I don't exactly love doing it, but somebody has to. Send me your full API keys and the 250m fee, and I'll try and have the report done by Monday. How about 50 million? Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Darth Tickles Dark Sun Consortium 598	Posted - 2012.06.01 23:43:00 - [4] - Quote Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: How about 50 million? I can do the express version for 100m, but it's not as detailed. It's good enough for simple projects like traders, insurance or industrialists, so it depends on what you want to do. If you want to start a bank or underwriting service, then I highly recommend the full 250m audit.
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.01 23:46:00 - [5] - Quote Darth Tickles wrote: Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: How about 50 million? I can do the express version for 100m, but it's not as detailed. It's good enough for simple projects like traders, insurance or industrialists, so it depends on what you want to do. If you want to start a bank or underwriting service, then I highly recommend the full 250m audit. 100m sent. Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Darth Tickles Dark Sun Consortium 598	Posted - 2012.06.01 23:50:00 - [6] - Quote Cool. I'll get started after dinner. I'll mail you the results and then catch you for a discussion this weekend, if you're around.
Rykker Bow 6	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:07:00 - [7] - Quote what just happened here?
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:09:00 - [8] - Quote Rykker Bow wrote: what just happened here? I pretended I sent Darth Tickles 100m, and he's pretending he's going to do an audit. Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Rykker Bow 6	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:21:00 - [9] - Quote well glad to hear that
Darth Tickles Dark Sun Consortium 598	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:21:00 - [10] - Quote Well I was going to do it... Good luck getting another auditor to do it after dealing like this with one of the few auditors left.
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:22:00 - [11] - Quote Darth Tickles wrote: Well I was going to do it... Good luck getting another auditor to do it after dealing like this with one of the few auditors left. Nothing personal, but I've read a few posts in the market forum. I am looking for an audit, but you're certainly not an auditor. I did send you 100 ISK for taking the time to respond here though. Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Brock Nelson 601	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:28:00 - [12] - Quote I'm an auditor, please send me 100m fee and mail me your api key and I will be happy to start working. Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Darth Tickles Dark Sun Consortium 598	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:32:00 - [13] - Quote Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: Nothing personal, but I've read a few posts in the market forum. I am looking for an audit, but you're certainly not an auditor. I did send you 100 ISK for taking the time to respond here though. I am. Regardless though, pretending to play along is the worst response, even if you want to use somebody else. Do you think either of the other two auditors will even talk to you now that they know you're willing to waste their time? Not likely, especially after I send them a notice on the Audtors' Mailing LIst we share.
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:34:00 - [14] - Quote Darth Tickles wrote: Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: Nothing personal, but I've read a few posts in the market forum. I am looking for an audit, but you're certainly not an auditor. I did send you 100 ISK for taking the time to respond here though. I am. Regardless though, pretending to play along is the worst response, even if you want to use somebody else. Do you think either of the other two auditors will even talk to you now that they know you're willing to waste their time? Not likely, especially after I send them a notice on the Audtors' Mailing LIst we share. I was under the impression that auditors generally share their resumes with showcases of prior work of their previous audits, instead of asking just to be sent ISK. Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Darth Tickles Dark Sun Consortium 598	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:37:00 - [15] - Quote Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: I was under the impression that auditors generally share their resumes with showcases of prior work of their previous audits, instead of asking just to be sent ISK. Not at all. You sounded like a man in a rush. I would have been happy to share my portfolio with you had you asked.
Kara Books Deal with IT. 146	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:55:00 - [16] - Quote Darth Tickles wrote: Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: I was under the impression that auditors generally share their resumes with showcases of prior work of their previous audits, instead of asking just to be sent ISK. Not at all. You sounded like a man in a rush. I would have been happy to share my portfolio with you had you asked. How about 49M?
Darth Tickles Dark Sun Consortium 598	Posted - 2012.06.02 00:58:00 - [17] - Quote Kara Books wrote: How about 49M? Even at 100m it's not really worth my time, but I like to help people get their businesses off the ground. Anything less than 100m I might as well do it for free.
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.02 01:36:00 - [18] - Quote Kara Books wrote: Darth Tickles wrote: Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: I was under the impression that auditors generally share their resumes with showcases of prior work of their previous audits, instead of asking just to be sent ISK. Not at all. You sounded like a man in a rush. I would have been happy to share my portfolio with you had you asked. How about 49M? References/resume? Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1090	Posted - 2012.06.02 05:17:00 - [19] - Quote Hello, I suggest you start the EvE search engine and type in "auditor". LMETFY: Link You'll discover how at the moment there's only one of such pesky creatures, that he may be reached vie eve mail and that he would not do it for 50M. If you propose yourself as T2 ships insurance company and are even marginally profitable, you can afford somewhat more than that. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.02 08:21:00 - [20] - Quote I started station trading on 5/27/12 with 260 million in ISK and assets. I currently have 620 million in ISK and assets at the moment. I've earned 360 million exclusively through station trading since 5/27. So I would only need 5/27 through the date of the audit done looked at to assess trading competency. The Hulk insurance business I'm currently trying to start in addition to station trading currently has only one policyholder at the moment. The model for the insurance business is a risk pool providing gap coverage, with a portion of the premiums received invested for profit to maintain/shore up the pool. I may possibly offer better payout if the profits made with ISK received as premiums for the pool are better than expected. The audit would be to show prospective clients I'm competent in trading. Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Rhivre TarNec 10	Posted - 2012.06.02 09:41:00 - [21] - Quote Maybe I am too grumpy and shouldn't post pre-coffee, but, 5 days trading does not a "competency in trading" show, any more than 5 days successful mission running shows that you know how to run missions, or 5 days pvp makes you a competent pvper.
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.02 10:16:00 - [22] - Quote Rhivre wrote: Maybe I am too grumpy and shouldn't post pre-coffee, but, 5 days trading does not a "competency in trading" show, any more than 5 days successful mission running shows that you know how to run missions, or 5 days pvp makes you a competent pvper. It doesn't take a PhD to learn how to buy low and sell high. And I've never earned less than 100% profit on any of my trades. Maybe you just have a very steep learning curve when it comes to learning new tasks. I don't. Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Rhivre TarNec 10	Posted - 2012.06.02 10:32:00 - [23] - Quote Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: Rhivre wrote: Maybe I am too grumpy and shouldn't post pre-coffee, but, 5 days trading does not a "competency in trading" show, any more than 5 days successful mission running shows that you know how to run missions, or 5 days pvp makes you a competent pvper. It doesn't take a PhD to learn how to buy low and sell high. And I've never earned less than 100% profit on any of my trades. Maybe you just have a very steep learning curve when it comes to learning new tasks. I don't. Maybe, but what happens when someone comes in and dumps your 100% down to 5%? Although, I am renowned as a bear of very little brain. You have shown that you can move items in the 100's of k, with big margins, thats trading 101. Does it scale up past 1bn? Your hulk business relies on you taking X of the pool and reinvesting it, this is in effect, a bond, albeit a small scale one. You are basically looking for investors, As you yourself said, this was an idea you thought up the night before you posted the hulk plan. If it is a good idea now, it will be a good idea in a month. Why the hurry and rushing through things?
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.02 10:52:00 - [24] - Quote Rhivre wrote: Maybe, but what happens when someone comes in and dumps your 100% down to 5%? Although, I am renowned as a bear of very little brain. You have shown that you can move items in the 100's of k, with big margins, thats trading 101. Does it scale up past 1bn? Your hulk business relies on you taking X of the pool and reinvesting it, this is in effect, a bond, albeit a small scale one. You are basically looking for investors, As you yourself said, this was an idea you thought up the night before you posted the hulk plan. If it is a good idea now, it will be a good idea in a month. Why the hurry and rushing through things? I'd just cancel the buy order, liquidate the stock of that particular item, and move onto another worth my while. :) At the moment, the items I trade in are in the six to seven digit range. I'm not how you perceive that I'm in some kind of rush with regards to anything. As far as the hulk insurance business goes, I'm inferring that you're confusing a risk pool model with the conventional fixed payout model. The difference is night and day. Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Rhivre TarNec 10	Posted - 2012.06.02 11:09:00 - [25] - Quote The sole reason you may possibly (only by someone as confused as me of course), be perceived as in a rush is, because thus far, your schedule is: 22nd April: Start eve 27th May, start station trading 30th May, have awesome eureka moment late at night 31st May, post Hulk insurance scheme 1st June, request audit to verify that you flipped some items on a station. You see how to the woolly minded like myself, this might be viewed as somewhat rushed, and not really planned out, or, to the more cynical bears of little brain, as a scam?
Aina Sasaki Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance 343	Posted - 2012.06.02 11:21:00 - [26] - Quote Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: Rhivre wrote: Maybe I am too grumpy and shouldn't post pre-coffee, but, 5 days trading does not a "competency in trading" show, any more than 5 days successful mission running shows that you know how to run missions, or 5 days pvp makes you a competent pvper. It doesn't take a PhD to learn how to buy low and sell high. And I've never earned less than 100% profit on any of my trades. Maybe you just have a very steep learning curve when it comes to learning new tasks. I don't. I'm going to have to agree with this to some degree. Trading in this game is relatively easy to learn, though mastering it requires a gradual accumulation of experience and knowledge. But the basic gist of it can be figured out very quickly. I ran into similar skepticism in regards to how well I was doing with trade when I first posted here about 2 months ago. At the same time, Rhivre is right. The trading methods you are using right now (and i've got a pretty good guess as to what exactly you are doing) are much better for when you are trying to get your first billion or three, but not so much for beyond that. Until you get up to that point, for all intents and purposes you are a new trader. When you can break 10 billion or so... i'd suspect then people would take you more seriously. Just my thoughts. :o - Rei
Hrothgar Nilsson Black Guards Hades. 15	Posted - 2012.06.02 11:42:00 - [27] - Quote Rhivre wrote: The sole reason you may possibly (only by someone as confused as me of course), be perceived as in a rush is, because thus far, your schedule is: 22nd April: Start eve 27th May, start station trading 30th May, have awesome eureka moment late at night 31st May, post Hulk insurance scheme 1st June, request audit to verify that you flipped some items on a station. You see how to the woolly minded like myself, this might be viewed as somewhat rushed, and not really planned out, or, to the more cynical bears of little brain, as a scam? This probably ends up with "you're an alt", "you're a goon", and so on. All I asked for was an audit. So I'll just leave it at that - I don't feel any need to further reply. I already got the answer I was looking for (from VV). I'll get one a week or two down the road as I had planned. Hulk Insurance Services: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786 --Gap coverage to help cover the difference between SCC maximum payout and the market price of your Hulk. -á --All policies refundable upon request.
Rhivre TarNec 10	Posted - 2012.06.02 12:00:00 - [28] - Quote I would never presume to assume what another person is thinking. A) I have no problem with goons B) I don't think you are an alt. I was actually thinking more along the lines of nightfreeze (true or false, it inspires many people). At no point have I either insinuated, or stated that you are either of the above, to infer that is to imply some sort of victim status, when people are merely asking questions. Ad hominems are really not the sort of defense you should take to questions, you could have written "Yes, I realise that people may view this as a bit hap-hazard and thrown together in 5 minutes to see if I can get people to give me isk then run, but, X, Y, Z" "This probably ends up with "you're an alt", "you're a goon", and so on." "Maybe you just have a very steep learning curve when it comes to learning new tasks. I don't." is not really going to persuade people who may have been interested in your insurance scheme (having used similar ones in the past). You are, via various methods, asking people to give you their isk, whilst the replies tend to be along the lines of a convoluted version of "lol isk making is easy in eve, you must be dumb if you question me". At no point have I said that isk making is hard, ****, you can go 2m to 2.3bn easily in a little over a month, so I would be the last person to state it is difficult, because if someone who cannot easily learn new tasks can do that, then anyone can.
Johnny Frecko Fruidian Logic The Butterfly Effect Alliance 35	Posted - 2012.06.03 00:09:00 - [29] - Quote I'll push Rhivre's point further. People here trade, even the smallest of the traders here have billions in assets. No one is impressed with a sub-billion return rate and your enourmes ****. your posts break down to 1)isk making is easy. 2)the fact you doubt makes me smarter. 3)i'm generally better than you in every single way. Please forgive my ill-fated sarcasm, and read on. While you may be the next person to break 500 billion in the next month or so, I highly doubt it. your responses show a fresh trader with very little experience in handling high-volumes of ISK. A new trader always always* brags about sub-billion profit margins, Thinking that it scales up beyond the first 3-4 billion easily. It stops scaling at around the 2nd billion, which then becomes an effort to keep pushing in high margins. After the 5th billion it becomes actual work unless you're changing your business plan. Because station trading doesn't work for most people with so much ISK. I'm just trying to be insightful and letting you see that while we may be sarcastic in MD, it's for relatively good reason. The people in MD have been trading for a bit longer than you. As this is not a scam, according to you, i offer you the following advice 1)Do not brag about margins, No one cares. 2)100M a day is pretty much standard for a trader. it shows nothing special. 3)Do not hurry to defend your position with passive-aggresive means such as "you're stupid if you can't do what i do". Infact some would call that downright aggresive. Things like "you think i'm an alt or goon" does not look good aswell. Just some friendly advice. Johnny
Brock Nelson 601	Posted - 2012.06.04 23:57:00 - [30] - Quote I've sent a message to my mailing list "Auditors gone bad" to inform everyone that OP did not send me the 100m fee required to start the audit work on him. Signature removed, CCP Phantom

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