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kEat0n	Posted - 2009.08.29 06:37:00 - [1] I've been training skills for almost 2 years now, 90% focused on just missioning in High-sec. I use t2 armor hardeners...fit for the mission...use t2 drones and sentries...and fly a Dominix. Yet I still, for some reason, can't solo all the L4's I come across. Everytime I feel like I can finally solo any L4 out there, there's always one that just seems impossible to do on my own. Why is this? What am I doing wrong?
Bestofworst Worstofbest Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.08.29 07:04:00 - [2] Is it angels? If so, they do slight omni, enough to make you HAVE to omni tank it. Try it. ________________________________________________ My Music Posts slowly rising in quality to the decline of my dignity.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.08.29 07:11:00 - [3] Originally by: Bestofworst Worstofbest Is it angels? If so, they do slight omni, enough to make you HAVE to omni tank it. Try it. Angels are the devil, hardest k-space NPC race to tank for in my opinion. For all their non-BS ships and all the BS up to Saints, you're good with just an exp/kin tank. Maybe there's some omni damage but not really that much. If you're fighting Saints, Seraphim, or Cherubim though, time to omnitank. This being said, post your Domi fit, including rigs. Originally by: "CCP Pann" Over the last few days, the internet has been under attack
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2009.08.29 07:15:00 - [4] drones just don't work on the hard missions. use something else.
Bel Arvandan	Posted - 2009.08.29 07:25:00 - [5] Edited by: Bel Arvandan on 29/08/2009 07:27:52 Well L4 missions are doable solo. The reasons for you not been able to do some are either; 1) Lack of skills 2) Bad ship fit 3) Tactics Now since you have been training skills for well over a year now, I very much doubt that it's a skill issue, I was doing L4's solo after about 5 months and with my low skill points in things like gunnery (less than 100k at the time). You are using T2 mission specific hardeners and T2 drones, so again I doubt it's a bad fit you have, although are you using mission specific drones, i.e. different damage types for different enemies? So that leaves tactics, just because you may have great skills and great modules it doesn't mean you can just sit still in all missions and aggro everything at the same time and expect your tank not to be broken. Intel is key, research the mission before hand using one of the mission guides. Tactics such as moving away from groups can give you a little extra time to kill more ships before they get into their firing range. Also leave any trigger ships till last so that you don't get swarmed. Hope these help, oh and this is a great mission guide to use if you aren't using one already. Also if you can list any of the mission names you are finding too difficult that would help us figure it out. http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
Kerfira	Posted - 2009.08.29 08:33:00 - [6] Originally by: kEat0n ...and fly a Dominix... This is probably the problem... While the Domie can solo all L4 missions, some of them are damned hard to do so because the drones cause mass agro. Agro management is KEY in missions (unless you got an uber-fit and skills), and can be difficult to do in a Domie. You should give us an overview of first what you fit, including drones, and secondly what you do when you enter one of the missions you can't handle. That'll make it possible for us to offer suggestions. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
kEat0n	Posted - 2009.08.29 09:24:00 - [7] My current fit: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/19356-Missioning-Solo-L4-Dominix.html Drones: Ogre II Hammerhead II Warden I
Darius Brinn Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.08.29 10:08:00 - [8] Edited by: Darius Brinn on 29/08/2009 10:08:09 I solo all Lvl 4 missions in a Domi, with low SP. Including The Blockade, Worlds Collide with Angels and so on, using a single LAR II tank. First of all, I'd recommend using Sentries for aggro managment. Some missions have huge drone aggro, or proximity triggers. If you can resist it, it's better to stay put (or orbiting your Sentries) dishing damage. Also, I've found that three or four 425mm railguns speed things up quite a bit. I use 4 active armor hardeners per mission. For Angels, 2xExp, 1xKin and 1xThermal, never had a problem. But the singlemost important piece of advice I can give you: use Chribba's EVE Survival. It tells you the damage you should expect, the damage you should use, the triggers, tips for engaging, what to engage first and how to do it, etc etc. With EVE Survival and a good tank, you're very much set. Maybe you can't clear Worlds Collide extra room, but you can beat the mission easily.
Kerfira	Posted - 2009.08.29 10:26:00 - [9] Originally by: kEat0n My current fit: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/19356-Missioning-Solo-L4-Dominix.html Drones: Ogre II Hammerhead II Warden I Ok, this fit looks ok'ish. However, you'll want to change drones depending on enemy weaknesses. EVE Survival is great for this. A few things about the fit you may consider: 1. Changing one of the CCC rigs to an Auxilary Nano Pump. It'll degrade your ability to tank long-term, but improve your ability to tank short-term, enabling you to reduce the incoming damage so you don't NEED to tank long-term. 2. Ditch the RCU, even at the expense of using a 250mm gun instead of one of the 350mm's. This'll enable you to fit an EANM instead, which with the four damage specific Armor Compensation skills gives quite a boost to tanking (compensation skills at 4 will reduce incoming damage by 24%). Secondly, please describe in detail what you do when you do one of the missions you can't handle. How you manage agro, what you do with your drones etc. Your fit should be able to handle it all, so it must be what you do that screws things up. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Kerfira	Posted - 2009.08.29 10:41:00 - [10] Try something like this instead: 4x Armor <xxx> Hardener II 2x Large Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 5x Cap Recharger II 2x Drone Link Augmentor I 3x 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 1x Dual 250mm Railgun II 1x Auxiliary Nano Pump I 2x Capacitor Control Circuit I Or you can still fit the 350mm if you use a 1% 'Squire PG2' Implant Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

Foulque	Posted - 2009.08.29 10:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac drones just don't work on the hard missions. use something else. Funny guy ________
Sturmwolke Genyosha Legion	Posted - 2009.08.29 12:04:00 - [12] Originally by: kEat0n My current fit: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/19356-Missioning-Solo-L4-Dominix.html Drones: Ogre II Hammerhead II Warden I Noobish permarun turtle tank fit. A staple for noobs and afk'ers. Besides the mandatory read on Eve Survival for unfamiliar missions, join the in-game channel "Lvl 4". A few of the resident haunts run almost exclusively on Gallante boats. Chat them up for some Domi pointers .... though beware, it's usually safer to do this when they're on medications
Sturmwolke Genyosha Legion	Posted - 2009.08.29 12:05:00 - [13] Edited by: Sturmwolke on 29/08/2009 12:06:02 /me kicks the Eve forum for double-posting
Seraph Castillon Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.29 12:07:00 - [14] There is nothing wrong with a Domi for level 4's. It might not be the best ship, but who cares. If you can't do level 4's in it then the reason is that you fail, not the ship. You're either tanking wrong, not managing agro, or you just can't fly your ship. And this after 2 years of playing? Lol.
Leather Jack	Posted - 2009.08.29 13:36:00 - [15] I was going to make an honest reply here, but then it hit me. You seem really clueless. I shouldn't even bother.
Arec Bardwin	Posted - 2009.08.29 14:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Leather Jack I was going to make an honest reply here, but then it hit me. You seem really clueless. I shouldn't even bother. Your reply seems honest enough to me
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.08.29 14:55:00 - [17] Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with these guys ^^. If you've been failing L4s for 2 years, I don't think we can help you.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.29 15:43:00 - [18] Originally by: kEat0n I've been training skills for almost 2 years now, 90% focused on just missioning in High-sec. I use t2 armor hardeners...fit for the mission...use t2 drones and sentries...and fly a Dominix. Yet I still, for some reason, can't solo all the L4's I come across. Everytime I feel like I can finally solo any L4 out there, there's always one that just seems impossible to do on my own. Why is this? What am I doing wrong? Who knows! Most people can solo L4's after a few months of running missions. The fact that you still can't solo L4's after 2 years of trying is just sad. There are so many resources out there to help solve your issues that there's really no excuse for not accomplishing this. Mission-survival EVE-agents Battleclinic EFT EVEMon EVE forums etc. etc. There's no mystery to running L4's. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Je'Nann Soul Assassins Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.08.29 16:20:00 - [19] either a troll or someone who needs to contract me his stuff. honestly, 2 years. maybe you should have played instead of just training skills.
debbie harrio	Posted - 2009.08.29 16:22:00 - [20] personally I think that is a fail fit, far too much trying to keep a perma tank, no damage mods... use sentry drones and damage mods, cycle your tank, lose one of each of the specific hardeners for damage mods, then you can lose all those cap rechargers, fit a AB, tracking computer and a sensor booster, maybe a webber to slow down frigs and cruisers and you should be fitting trimarks on a domi, maybe fit a cap booster in the mids to keep cap ( I know MR's hate cap boosters but they free so many slots up) Domi's are savage when set up right, I would also be using blasters instead of rails and using the sentries to hit far out, use the AB to close range.

Kerfira	Posted - 2009.08.29 17:00:00 - [21] Damn! That was a lot of insecure people there who tries to cover up their own failed existence by denigrating others (post #15-#19). Ignore then or if you feel charitable pity them. Generally they're like a school bully, unable to do anything well, except bullying others. Most likely without work, or with a crappy one they hate, and trying to cover it up by making others feel bad. There's nothing wrong with asking for advice. Just ignore the little trolls. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.29 18:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Kerfira Damn! That was a lot of insecure people there who tries to cover up their own failed existence by denigrating others (post #15-#19). LOL you're mistaking tough love and direct, honest feedback for denigration. Someone who's been playing the game for 2 years should have a tough skin to come on these forums. This is not the New Players forum, so there's the expectation that people who come here would at least try things on their own first before asking a question. To come on this forum and say "Stuff's not working. Dunno why" is leaving oneself open to this sort of feedback. Someone who really was looking for help would have told us the fittings they were using, their skills, the strategies they were using, things they may have tried and not worked, specific missions which are giving them trouble, etc. Otherwise the OP's question is about as inane as "Tell me which LP items to sell to make lots of cash"... Please spare us your righteous indignation. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Kerfira	Posted - 2009.08.29 18:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Terminus Vindictus Please spare us your righteous indignation. Originally by: Forum rules 4. Be respectful of others at all times. The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting. All you're saying is wrong. He SHOULD have the expectation of being treated well when coming to the forums and ask a question. You don't have all the facts. This could be a kid who started playing EVE when he was 12 (now 14), might not be very internet savy and don't really know how to find information. Asking an honest question when you can't figure something out is better than staying quiet. Enjoy your failed existence. For sure you must be trying to compensate for it by being a forum bully.... Pretty pathetic to be brutally honest.... Have a nice day Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
kEat0n	Posted - 2009.08.29 19:05:00 - [24] I started playing at 15, now 17. Sorry for not including more information in my original post, I was in somewhat of a hurry and couldn't include any more than the basics. I was hoping that these kinds of things would reveal themselves later in the thread. One of the strategies I use is aggroing one group at a time, though lately I've been discovering some rules about aggroeing certain NPC's, such as sentries, which apparently give you aggro from the entire room. I believe that my drones may be attracting a lot of aggro too, which is probably the cause of me not being able to withstand that kind of dmg for more than 2 minutes. But if my drones attract aggro, why wouldn't they get popped?
Varilinda	Posted - 2009.08.29 19:58:00 - [25] Beware the advice of successful people, they do not seek company.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.29 20:07:00 - [26] Originally by: kEat0n I believe that my drones may be attracting a lot of aggro too, which is probably the cause of me not being able to withstand that kind of dmg for more than 2 minutes. But if my drones attract aggro, why wouldn't they get popped? There are quite a few missions where your drones will attract aggro. Oddly enough, it's what makes using a Domi attractive to AFK mission runners given that you can withstand the incoming damage - pop out your sentries, aggro everything, and walk away. Again, not knowing specifically the mission that gives you problem it's difficult to give you any possible solutions. It's quite possible that you don't have the correct rat-specific armor reppers, or that you don't have sufficiently high armor repping skills, whatever. Also don't know what skills you have in terms of doing damage - either your drones or your rails. Doing damage goes a long way to mitigate incoming damage (dead rats can't do damage). There's a lot of unknowns here that prevent us from helping you specifically aside from generic advice which may or may not be of any use to you. Seems like you received some good advice on your Battleclinic fittings, so use that. I already mentioned using eve-survival to learn about missions, EFT to check your fittings against specific rat damage, and EVEMon to plan your skill training to make up for deficiencies, so if you're not already using that you should. Cheers! Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.08.29 20:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Kerfira This is probably the problem... While the Domie can solo all L4 missions, some of them are damned hard to do so because the drones cause mass agro. Agro management is KEY in missions (unless you got an uber-fit and skills), and can be difficult to do in a Domie. One word: sentries. I'm amazed and flabbergasted at the number of people who seem to be unaware of the awesomeness of sentry drones. I do level 4 missions in my Dominix and I haven't used normal heavy drones in...well, I don't remember the last time. I have two types of sentry drones, mediums and lights and I do just fine.
Kleve Klaw Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.29 20:15:00 - [28] Hey kEat0n Give me a shout ingame and i will be happy to help you iron out any problems you have as well as advice on missions etc.
Trenton Freelancer	Posted - 2009.08.29 20:15:00 - [29] The domi is a good mission ship. If careful, plan, can do lvl 4's within about 2 weeks of character creation. Its what I did (started with frig 4 and drones 5, 1st skill to train was cruiser 1). Lvl 4's are not hard, you just need to be careful and manage your agro, get agro to your ship and then release the drones. Personally I would drop the ogre II's and load more sentry drones. But then I also have sentry rigs, so like the added damage given to sentry drones, plus sentry drones dont spend eternity moving from traget 1 -> target 2. Just watch the drone tracking with sentries, use the right drone for the job. Gunnery skills? I still dont have as I pull in loot/salv with the domi - 2 tractors/salvs on it as I like to grab the loot quickly. I'm in amarr space so most wrecks are within tractor range. If frigates giving you trouble, load some frig-sized drones. While hammerheads will chew down frigates, hobgoblins are about 3x faster on frigates. The only mission I turn down is normal faction missions as I dont want a faction standing hit. eg enemies abound 5/5 gets turned down at the 1/5 stage. Even missions that drones can agro the pocket, its often how one tackles the pocket gives the agro. Then again some missions the npc's die to my sentries just on their flight in, I tak some shield damage on the sentries and pull in the longer range ones to push out short range Garde and take down some more. Drones can work well as extra tank in the right situation. Try doing sleepers with drones only - if you can't do lvl 4's, your not going to manage sleepers.
Sencyl	Posted - 2009.08.30 21:18:00 - [30] Edited by: Sencyl on 30/08/2009 21:25:17 kEat0n you should train sentry drones, so you can use the tech2 versions. Advantages of Sentry Drones : 1. Drone Aggro? -> Pull them in and drop out a different Set. (If there is no auto aggro, you can use the Sentries as unlimited Tank) 2. Instant Damage, since they don¦t have to move 3. Able to upgrade damage through Sentry Damage Aug. Rig But: If you are using Sentries, you need Omnidirectional Tracking Links (at least 2 of them, better 3) That way you are getting great tracking and range (use guardeII for up to 45-50km and curatorII(2nd best tracking) for 50+) If you are using Omnis in your med Slots, you have to get rid of the dual rep setup, since you wont have enough cap. Use a single LAR + Armor Plates. Your goal is to kill the rats, before your Armor buffer is getting to low. Example Setup : Lows: LARII 1600mm Power Diag SystemII Mission Spec active HardenerII Mission Spec active HardenerII Mission Spec active HardenerII Adaptive Nano MembraneII Meds: Omindir Tracking Omindir Tracking Omindir Tracking Cap RechargerII Cap RechargerII Highs: Drone Link Aug 350mm RailII 350mm RailII 350mm RailII 350mm RailII 350mm RailII Rigs: Sentry Dam Aug Sentry Dam Aug empty or (less extreme) Sentry Dam Aug CCC CCC Drones: 5GuardeII 5CuratorII 5* Hammerhead 5* Hobgoblin Leave out the Armor plate(+power diag) and get more damage, once you know what you are doing.



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