*real pvp* is found elsewhere

So what point are you trying to make here by quoting this?

What point are you trying to make by quoting me and then asking me what point I am trying to make by quoting that?

That you're a troll.

Seriously though, if you want real attention on this kind of thing then it should have been posted in General Discussion.

I tend to agree, but having to post in one particular forum to draw attention when it is clearly about crime and punishment makes no sense to me.

CCP lazyness if that's the truth.

In any case, it's good to see many people posting in here in a civil fashion.
IMO it deserves attention and a thorough revamp, because - as i said before - the current state is detrimental and the amount of people enjoying Empire decs is close to non existant, simply due to the fact that this is SO horribly implemented it makes baby jesus cry.

The problem is that all of the rabble and serious trolls are posting in GD all the time so it's hard to get a serious discussion on there without having these things happen: thread derailing, trolls posting on either side of argument, and many more...

The more serious problem is that everyone looks at GD, so all "serious discussions" are expected to pop up in there. I doubt CCP will take most discussions on C&P seriously because you can't make a change based on what a particular subforum wants so it has to be a change that appeals to the masses (aka it has to be discussed on GD where it will get plenty of exposure to many different groups/playstyles).

As much as i agree, you can also agree with me that that's stupid from CCP's side aye?
It's plain lazyness not willing themselves to look at this forum and see some legitimate posts going on.

Anyway - back on topic (thanks for your input though GÖÑ )

The ally system.

It's stupid to no extent that an aggressor launches a dec and the defender has a LIMITLESS number of allies to recruit.
As most Empire warrers are experiencing right now, it's wars that everyone joins on the defenders side in the hopes of finding targets, resulting in a ridiculous number of people chasing down aggressors.
We're talking 50 man aggressor outfits facing over 10 corps/alliances resulting in a 50 vs 900+ situation.

End result:

People obviously wont play. Its going to be Destroyers, Cloakies or Pods you'll see outside, with the odd brainless git trying to mine in a random system.

The Merc marketplace.

It's pointless. Utterly pointless.
Merc work is destroyed at this point.
Why? Because all a defender has to do is put up a request and viola, everyone out there joins just for the hell of it and in no time, you will see countless corps and alliances joining just to get those few odd kills - if any.

No one will pay anyone anymore because with Inferno in place, players will just join for free.



With these changes implemented Empire merc outfits are falling apart, what used to be a very interesting way for PvP is turning into a massive heap of boredom and already there is mention of the older, bigger groups considering moving away from Empire, considering FW, piracy or other means.
There is just no incentive to keep doing this anymore.

In short, even though CCP claimed to redo Empire wars and make them more interesting for everyone, all they;re doing right now is killing it. BIG time.
And the fact that they didn't see this coming is beyond me, and I'm sure many others as well.

It's pushing people out of Empire and in my humble opinion, it reeks of a little hidden agenda they had when designing this because as far as succes with Inferno goes, im pretty sure that's the only achievement they will get for this in the not-all-too-long run from here on.

PROPOSED CHANGES BASED ON INGAME AND FORUM INPUT.

- Defenders must charge a fee for allies. This will keep merc work alive and not eradicate it from play entirely.

- Aggressors should be allowed allies once a Defender gets them. This should also be at a fee. Again, keeping the merc business alive.

- Minimum fees should be introduced for recruiting allies. 50m as bare minimum, outside of the merc's contract prices.
Since they dont have to fund the wars, I'm pretty sure that the 50m will be the cheaper alternative to the old, pre-Inferno costs for Merc alliances.

These three changes alone will put some use to the Merc marketplace.

Discuss.

Can anyone confirm this smells like another bear protection mechanic from CCP?

When I was in MC, both EP and yourself said, in no uncertain terms, "When these changes hit, we're declaring war against all of EVE." You, in particular, were ecstatic about the fact that you would have plenty of people to shoot at. You welcomed the "alliance" system.