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Roisin Saoirse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
111
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:07:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:I agree it's time for local to go. I shouldn't be forced into a worm hole to not get my hand-held. Local was never intended to be the ultimate source of intel, having it be so is lame. But I feel I am just beating a dead horse... We all know local needs to be changed, well all of us besides a few loud carebears/nul-bears. The loudest whines would come from the Jita scammers tbh. |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
534
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:08:00 -
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Woo a survey!
Having a spy in the target corp makes locating a war target trivial. Dropping to a NPC corp makes avoiding a war target trivial. A spy in your fleet prevents true stealth attacks. A drag bubble with decloaking cans on the landing point prevents true stealth travel. Nothing gives intelligence unearned and effort free at zero cost. The time spent gathering intelligence is a cost too. Or the cost of a +1 intelligence implant. Hand-holding the player and arbitrarily restricting behavior, in particular behavior towards other players makes chaos theory and emergent gameplay an impossibility. Flying solo makes scouting skills on your pvp character an exercise in futility. Being bad at finding and chasing targets inevitably turns all sanctioned pvp into a campfest. The inability to cause lasting damage to someone in highsec makes hiring a merc corp to war dec a grief corp a waste of effort and resources. Nothing makes cloaking in general, useless. People unwilling to share intel, take risks, or be prepared for the possibility of an incursion makes "afk" presence an option for asset denial. Using scouts allows gate camping to be done in relative safety and without do risk of larger camps sneaking up on them. Security status loss makes neutral alts mandatory when targeting a competent player for non-consensual pvp. A PvP-free area doesn't make sense in a hardcore sandbox MMO and feels amateur in implementation. The entire RMT market being removed would kill most botting operations in EVE with zero coding required.Good luck with that. ______ is a crutch used for the lazy to secure themselves from risk. Securing oneself from risk doesn't sound lazy to me. It sounds like a good strategy. Asteroid belts on the overview allows suicide gankers to find miners without any real scanning work being done beforehand. Restricting oneself to a small corner of the galaxy and refusing to travel and experience new areas makes the vastness of space feel absurdly small. The very limited range of the BO jump drive, high skill requirements and a somewhat niche role makes black ops somewhat pointless. Although they have their uses in hands of a competent player. Paying attention to your surroundings makes non-consensual pvp a myth. At best something only the dimmest endure. |

Kimmi Chan
Perkone Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:14:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:______ makes locating a war target trivial. ______ makes avoiding a war target trivial. ______ prevents true stealth attacks. ______ prevents true stealth travel. ______ gives intelligence unearned and effort free at zero cost. ______ makes chaos theory and emergent gameplay an impossibility. ______ makes scouting skills on your pvp character an exercise in futility. ______ inevitably turns all sanctioned pvp into a campfest. ______ makes hiring a merc corp to war dec a grief corp a waste of effort and resources. ______ makes cloaking in general, useless. ______ makes "afk" presence an option for asset denial. ______ allows gate camping to be done in relative safety and without do risk of larger camps sneaking up on them. ______ makes neutral alts mandatory when targeting a competent player for non-consensual pvp. ______ doesn't make sense in a hardcore sandbox MMO and feels amateur in implementation. ______ being removed would kill most botting operations in EVE with zero coding required. ______ is a crutch used for the lazy to secure themselves from risk. ______ allows suicide gankers to find miners without any real scanning work being done beforehand. ______ makes the vastness of space feel absurdly small. ______ makes black ops somewhat pointless. ______ makes non-consensual pvp a myth. At best something only the dimmest endure.
There are no right or wrong answers here so its a very general discussion. If by chance one particular answer stands out, ignore your gut feeling. Its just wrong thinking, obviously.
If you are really interested in removing local there is a thread in F&I already going. You can find it here. Though I suspect that you already know it's there. 
Intelligence shouldn't be free. by Mors Sanctitatis |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
712
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:14:00 -
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I am going to suggest peenor. I like to put peenor into places. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
268
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:16:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:If you are really interested in removing local there is a thread in F&I already going. You can find it here. Though I suspect that you already know it's there. 
Burn. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
265
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:16:00 -
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@ Kimmi Chan Who mentioned local? Did the OP? Or is that your initial gut feeling to the questions posed? Remember its wrong thinking, obviously.
@ Amdiel Good post. Some intellectually nuanced answers but a good post none the less.
@ Cutter. Burn would suggest hostility. Do you want to talk about your feelings? |

Lord Zim
752
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:18:00 -
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Ooh ooh I KNOW I KNOW I HAVE THE ANSWER!
Buttes and Dongues makes locating a war target trivial. Buttes and Dongues makes avoiding a war target trivial. Buttes and Dongues prevents true stealth attacks. Buttes and Dongues prevents true stealth travel. Buttes and Dongues gives intelligence unearned and effort free at zero cost. Buttes and Dongues makes chaos theory and emergent gameplay an impossibility. Buttes and Dongues makes scouting skills on your pvp character an exercise in futility. Buttes and Dongues inevitably turns all sanctioned pvp into a campfest. Buttes and Dongues makes hiring a merc corp to war dec a grief corp a waste of effort and resources. Buttes and Dongues makes cloaking in general, useless. Buttes and Dongues makes "afk" presence an option for asset denial. Buttes and Dongues allows gate camping to be done in relative safety and without do risk of larger camps sneaking up on them. Buttes and Dongues makes neutral alts mandatory when targeting a competent player for non-consensual pvp. Buttes and Dongues doesn't make sense in a hardcore sandbox MMO and feels amateur in implementation. Buttes and Dongues being removed would kill most botting operations in EVE with zero coding required. Buttes and Dongues is a crutch used for the lazy to secure themselves from risk. Buttes and Dongues allows suicide gankers to find miners without any real scanning work being done beforehand. Buttes and Dongues makes the vastness of space feel absurdly small. Buttes and Dongues makes black ops somewhat pointless. Buttes and Dongues makes non-consensual pvp a myth. At best something only the dimmest endure. |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
268
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:19:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:@ Kimmi Chan Who mentioned local? Did the OP? Or is that your initial gut feeling to the questions posed? Remember its wrong thinking, obviously.
@ Amdiel Good post. Some intellectually nuanced answers but a good post none the less.
I'm gonna go with the fact that you have done nothing but whine all afternoon about your "local" threads etc etc. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
58
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:20:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:PMT? See my bio. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
466
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:21:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote: Locator Agents______ makes locating a war target trivial. Locator Agents______ makes avoiding a war target trivial. Jump Gates and neut alts______ prevents true stealth attacks. Jump Gates and neut alts______ prevents true stealth travel. d-scan/probes/dotlan______ gives intelligence unearned and effort free at zero cost. Nothing (goons prove this every day)______ makes chaos theory and emergent gameplay an impossibility. Nothing______ makes scouting skills on your pvp character an exercise in futility. (a person just can't suck at it) War-Dec Mechanics______ inevitably turns all sanctioned pvp into a campfest. Sucky Mercs and no way to enforce contracts on them______ makes hiring a merc corp to war dec a grief corp a waste of effort and resources. Jump Gates______ makes cloaking in general, useless. People's own risk aversion______ makes "afk" presence an option for asset denial. Multiple Alt Characters______ allows gate camping to be done in relative safety and without do risk of larger camps sneaking up on them. Situational Awareness______ makes neutral alts mandatory when targeting a competent player for non-consensual pvp. Whining on the forums every other day______ doesn't make sense in a hardcore sandbox MMO and feels amateur in implementation. PVE Content______ being removed would kill most botting operations in EVE with zero coding required. Indestructible Stations ______ is a crutch used for the lazy to secure themselves from risk. static asteroid belts______ allows suicide gankers to find miners without any real scanning work being done beforehand. Jump Gates______ makes the vastness of space feel absurdly small. Lack of skill______ makes black ops somewhat pointless. Neutral Alts and static routes between systems______ makes non-consensual pvp a myth. At best something only the dimmest endure.
There are no right or wrong answers here so its a very general discussion. If by chance one particular answer stands out, ignore your gut feeling. Its just wrong thinking, obviously.
Seems to me like jump gates and neutral alts are the biggest offenders. Of course, if someone in particular were complaining about all these things, it might just be because they suck at it... But it's probably neut alts, jump gates and static routes through space.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
265
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:21:00 -
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@ Cutter It's 130 est I dont think the few minutes devoted qualifies as all afternoon. Im sensing more hostility. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1239
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:21:00 -
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Surprised no one mentioned boobies yet. |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
268
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:23:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:@ Cutter It's 130 est I dont think the few minutes devoted qualifies as all afternoon. Im sensing more hostility.
Or the fact that I am in the UK and it's 18:24 here. Lmao.
EDIT: that and the fact that you started your whining about 5 hours ago. That means you have spent a fair portion of the afternoon whining about local. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Lord Zim
752
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:26:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Surprised no one mentioned boobies yet. Blue-footed boobies? |

Lord Zim
752
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:29:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:@ Cutter It's 130 est I dont think the few minutes devoted qualifies as all afternoon. Im sensing more hostility. Or the fact that I am in the UK and it's 18:24 here. Lmao. EDIT: that and the fact that you started your whining about 5 hours ago. That means you have spent a fair portion of the afternoon whining about local. Psst: He's actually been going on about it for over a week straight, getting increasingly whiny as his arguments were stomped on time and time again. |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
269
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:31:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:@ Cutter It's 130 est I dont think the few minutes devoted qualifies as all afternoon. Im sensing more hostility. Or the fact that I am in the UK and it's 18:24 here. Lmao. EDIT: that and the fact that you started your whining about 5 hours ago. That means you have spent a fair portion of the afternoon whining about local. Psst: He's actually been going on about it for over a week straight, getting increasingly whiny as his arguments were stomped on time and time again.
Really? I didn't know that. Kinda makes sense.
Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1239
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:31:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Surprised no one mentioned boobies yet. Blue-footed boobies? Could be made to work. |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
265
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:32:00 -
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Zim your silly. The people making nuanced responses in this thread put up more argument than you ever could. Back to declaring you a sycophant. Its page 3 and you've made a cameo appearance on every page. |

Virgil Travis
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
305
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:32:00 -
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Is the answer High Sec? Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2310
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:39:00 -
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I say the answer is CCP
DMC |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
266
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:41:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I say the answer is CCP
DMC
This is a wonderful answer. In the original post I included it as my first answer because it fit almost all of them. I removed it and decided not to answer at all. I know you took the time to read and think about it so a thumbs up to you. |

Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:43:00 -
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For a second there, I thought this was about the Diablo 3 storyline. |

Lord Zim
755
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:46:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Back to declaring you a sycophant. If you want to declare me a sycophant, go ahead. Here's the definition of a sycophant:
sycophant (-ês+¬k+Öf+Önt)
GÇön a person who uses flattery to win favour from individuals wielding influence; toady
Point out where I've been flattering you or even trying to win favour from you (or anyone, for that matter). |

Onyx Nyx
Perkone Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:48:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Back to declaring you a sycophant. If you want to declare me a sycophant, go ahead. Here's the definition of a sycophant: sycophant (-ês+¬k+Öf+Önt) GÇön a person who uses flattery to win favour from individuals wielding influence; toady Point out where I've been flattering you or even trying to win favour from you (or anyone, for that matter).
Lord Zim confirmed just now that he wants to sleep with Caliph Muhammed. |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
266
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:48:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Back to declaring you a sycophant. If you want to declare me a sycophant, go ahead. Here's the definition of a sycophant: sycophant (-ês+¬k+Öf+Önt) GÇön a person who uses flattery to win favour from individuals wielding influence; toady Point out where I've been flattering you or even trying to win favour from you (or anyone, for that matter).
Yes I know the definition Zim. I also know that people of that personality type will substitute praise for attention, even negative when praise isn't available. Like I said ZIm, 3 pages and on each you make a cameo appearance.
Here's a challenge for you Zim. Take your nose out of my rear, create your own thread and engage the posters. Keep them entertained and responding through your own brand of conversation.
Personally, I think you're to scared to have an idea you put forth scrutinized and to soft to take criticism |

Lord Zim
755
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:52:00 -
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Funny how you're not fathoming the direction flattery etc should go for me to actually be a sycophant, but I'm sure you won't understand it this time either (which would be the 3rd+ time trying to tell you how it works.
Kind of like when we've been telling you how your changes to local would impact the game, I guess you're just thick all-round. vOv |

Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
269
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:53:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Back to declaring you a sycophant. If you want to declare me a sycophant, go ahead. Here's the definition of a sycophant: sycophant (-ês+¬k+Öf+Önt) GÇön a person who uses flattery to win favour from individuals wielding influence; toady Point out where I've been flattering you or even trying to win favour from you (or anyone, for that matter). Yes I know the definition Zim. I also know that people of that personality type will substitute praise for attention, even negative when praise isn't available. Like I said ZIm, 3 pages and on each you make a cameo appearance. Here's a challenge for you Zim. Take your nose out of my rear, create your own thread and engage the posters. Keep them entertained and responding through your own brand of conversation.
Cameos are uncredited. And in case you hadn't noticed, your thread has been pretty much derailed, and will most likely be locked, just like the last one. Or maybe moved like the one before that. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
266
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:54:00 -
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@ Cutter We dont have to quote on page three. Not all of us suffer from add. @ Zim Like I said Zim sycophant. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2311
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:57:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I say the answer is CCP
DMC This is a wonderful answer. In the original post I included it as my first answer because it fit almost all of them. I removed it and decided not to answer at all. I know you took the time to read and think about it so a thumbs up to you.
Thanks.
I actually think a combination of the answers posted by Simetraz, Abdiel Kavash and myself would probably be correct. Question is which of those answers will fit the best to each question?
DMC |

Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
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Posted - 2012.06.03 17:59:00 -
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@DMC A better question would be in spite of the various nuanced answers what single particular feature could be truthfully stated to affect all at the same time? =)
We have established CCP as one. Hmm, what could be the other non entity? |
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