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MrHansWurst	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:24:00 - [1] I have a Proteus wartarget probing me out in my missions and such. Escaping is not a problem.. (aligned insta-warp yada yada) The Question is... how to kill it? We are fairly new players in our corp and can at most only fly Battlecruisers (with low SP). How about if 1 sits in a drake and waits for him to scan him out in a mission, the bait so to speak, tackles him, and have 2 others in harbinger / hurricane warp in for the kill... Can this work, or are 3 Battlecruisers not enough to take on a Proteus? :) Any suggestions welcome :)
Aaronm100 Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:27:00 - [2] It all depends on his fitting. I would say though since he has the subsystem on to probe then he's probably not going to have an excellent tank, he may have a good buffer tank though. If you've all got pretty good tanks / good dps then i don't see why you shouldn't be able to take him down. Also if you want make everyone pack ecm drones just to annoy him so he can't lock you.
FatFreddy	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:29:00 - [3] Le blob.
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:32:00 - [4] One domi can easily do it, fit your canes and harbs with neuts and ecm drones and you'll probably be fine. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
ASCHAYA Gallente Project Kiev	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:37:00 - [5] Edited by: ASCHAYA on 08/09/2009 18:37:07 Best would be is to get a bait battleship, any race will do. FITT as many heavy neutralizers as possible 5 on a raven? :), sensor booster 2 disruptors, MWD to get in range so your webs will hold him then call friends and laugh at the mess your making of him. Enjoy
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:41:00 - [6] 1x nuet battleship of your choice
Ralavina	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:42:00 - [7] Edited by: Ralavina on 08/09/2009 18:42:28 Edited by: Ralavina on 08/09/2009 18:42:01 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3662236 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3962934 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3662236 Ralara's banned again so this is my alt :p
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Ralavina Edited by: Ralavina on 08/09/2009 18:42:28 Edited by: Ralavina on 08/09/2009 18:42:01 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3662236 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3962934 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3662236 You posted the same kill twice. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.08 18:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Ralavina Edited by: Ralavina on 08/09/2009 18:42:28 Edited by: Ralavina on 08/09/2009 18:42:01 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3662236 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3962934 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3662236 Those are some of the failest fits i've seen in my life... --
Psiri	Posted - 2009.09.08 19:08:00 - [10] Like it's been said already, it depends really on what he's got fitted. If he gets properly tackled by a Domi or something like it though he should be fairly done for however.

Ralavina	Posted - 2009.09.08 19:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Ralavina Edited by: Ralavina on 08/09/2009 18:42:28 Edited by: Ralavina on 08/09/2009 18:42:01 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3662236 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3962934 http://triumvirate-alliance.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3662236 Those are some of the failest fits i've seen in my life... Well these days most only tech 2 fit them and not faction / deadspace (certainly a tiny minority go for the X/A type stuff now) and since they're relatively easy to train for once you have the basics (engineering 5 etc) so after... 6 months to a year, anyone can fly them. Which was CCP's intention - it wasn't meant to be really difficult to fly. Obviously, at first, the intital people to fly them were those who had already descent skill points and out of them many of them were very rich (who could afford them off the bat) and once you've spent 3-4 billion on a ship, ur gonna X type fit it and know what you're doing (else you wouldnt have billions of billions... except a couple of ebayers). So that's why we're now seeing "average" tech 3 ships with silly fittings - because anyone who's 6 months to a year old can get in one. These are the same people who fit hull repairers to drakes and take them in to combat. :) Ralara's banned again so this is my alt :p
Debonair Dan	Posted - 2009.09.08 19:26:00 - [12] Edited by: Debonair Dan on 08/09/2009 19:26:09 i see you guys have fairly low SP.. so this means 1) you dont have 'fairly good tanks/dps' 2) you probably dont have 'neuts' 3) you cant fly 'neut battleships' 4) you probably dont have 'ecm drones' so yeah, realistically, yes 3 battlecruisers are more than enough to take on a proteus, the person he flies in on, if u fit him with a warp scrambler/disruptor perhaps 2 webbers..and then just all tank... your bait ship will survive just fine, then bring in ur 2 battlecruisers have them set up for reasonable dps and reasonable tank and pew pew him to death... or get him into structure and ransom =)
Cpt Branko Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.09.08 19:37:00 - [13] (a) Train for medium neutralizers. It takes less then a day so don't be lazy. (b) Train for ECM drones. It also takes less then a day if you've got Drones V which you probably do. Fit 2x neuts on the Hurricane, 1x neut on the Harbringer, 1x neut on the Drake would be nice too. 3 damage mods on both ships. Fit ECM drones to all ships. Just kill it. ECM drones from 3 ships will keep it out of commission for quite some time, and 3 medium neutralizers will destroy his capacitor in a ugly way, which means no shooting for him even if he gets a lock and no repping except for one burst immediately after injecting a booster (if he fits a rep). In short, he's dead. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.09.08 19:47:00 - [14] the bait ship is going to want a point and a bunch of webs to make sure the proteus doesn't get away. 15x ecm drones is a nasty swarm to be in with 3 bcs neuting and shooting at you too
Liang Nuren The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.09.08 19:49:00 - [15] Also, you could have alot of fun with him if you fit at least 3 TDs amongst your ships. Make sure there's someone with a scrambler (2pt) to help make the initial tackle... never know when someone has WCS on their expensive ships. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Ralavina	Posted - 2009.09.08 19:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Liang Nuren Also, you could have alot of fun with him if you fit at least 3 TDs amongst your ships. Make sure there's someone with a scrambler (2pt) to help make the initial tackle... never know when someone has WCS on their expensive ships. -Liang QFT I had an ibis with a WCS on escape my crow, once. Ralara's banned again so this is my alt :p
Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.09.08 22:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Debonair Dan Edited by: Debonair Dan on 08/09/2009 19:26:09 i see you guys have fairly low SP.. so this means 1) you dont have 'fairly good tanks/dps' 2) you probably dont have 'neuts' 3) you cant fly 'neut battleships' 4) you probably dont have 'ecm drones' so yeah, realistically, yes 3 battlecruisers are more than enough to take on a proteus, the person he flies in on, if u fit him with a warp scrambler/disruptor perhaps 2 webbers..and then just all tank... your bait ship will survive just fine, then bring in ur 2 battlecruisers have them set up for reasonable dps and reasonable tank and pew pew him to death... or get him into structure and ransom =) Yeah, because neuts and ecm drones are so hard to train for. They take literally entire hours! Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
How2FoldSoup	Posted - 2009.09.09 03:41:00 - [18] 2 canes
Berendas Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.09.09 04:48:00 - [19] Bring a Falcon, it kills everything else just fine. Oh wait ECM is overpow---MMFFFMFMFF gagged by Malcanis and other rabid Falcon supporters
Grut Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:43:00 - [20] Originally by: How2FoldSoup 2 canes Passive targeter 2 on a blasterboat instead of a MWD ... that guy was a pro. Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought

Kashre Minmatar Twenty Triumphant Turtles	Posted - 2009.09.09 06:59:00 - [21] Tackle him with something, then bring in a couple of Griffins or blackbirds with racial ECMs. ECM = even the field against (solo) high SP players. Also it's not that hard to get neuts or ECM drones. Medium neut 1 only takes energy emissions 2. ECM drones are a little heavy for "low" SP players though because they require drones 5 and electronic warfare 4. But that would just add to the annoyance for him. :) Good luck. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
Ramson Minmatar	Posted - 2009.09.09 08:38:00 - [22] Send me a mail and il come and pop him for free -------
Kendon Riddick	Posted - 2009.09.09 10:05:00 - [23] the same as it takes to pop any ship. Do more dmg than he can tank, while either tanking or jamming him. should have thought that was obvious.
Debonair Dan	Posted - 2009.09.09 10:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Yeah, because neuts and ecm drones are so hard to train for. They take literally entire hours! it takes about a week to learn to fly ecm drones from scratch...granted learning neuts is a shorter skill..but i think that you've just forgotten that Low experience and low SP characters have a lot of other skills they want to work through in their skill plan..and i was thinking it might be more appropriate to say a good strategy based on their current level of probable skills..instead of 'wait a week' 'hope the proteus is still scanning you in 7 days' 'unleash your underskilled drones' '????' 'profit'
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.09.09 11:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Berendas Bring a Falcon, it kills everything else just fine. Oh wait ECM is overpow---MMFFFMFMFF gagged by Malcanis and other rabid Falcon supporters Why dont you go buy some Neodymium about it? Nah, seriously, it's OK man. I opposed falcon nerfs because it would make things like laser ships and RR BS too powerful. Now I fly Zealots and RR 'geddons and I'm having great fun doing so, and with a clear conscience. To answer the OP's question, a cap boosted neutmyrm could work well...
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum Pax Romana Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.09 13:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Debonair Dan Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Yeah, because neuts and ecm drones are so hard to train for. They take literally entire hours! it takes about a week to learn to fly ecm drones from scratch...granted learning neuts is a shorter skill..but i think that you've just forgotten that Low experience and low SP characters have a lot of other skills they want to work through in their skill plan If players don't have an elementary skill to help with PVP, and they want to PvP - then they either have to put their current training plans on hold, or put their PvP plans on hold. If they don't want to get this guy enough to push back Refinery Efficiency 5 back a few hours then that's their call, but then they probably shouldn't get upset about the advice. Quote: ..and i was thinking it might be more appropriate to say a good strategy based on their current level of probable skills This strategy is based on their current level of skills; the assumption that they have Engineering III and Drones V is not outrageous. And in fact, EWDI is a good skill for PvE too since it lets you push your drone control range beyond 45km. If they have those prerequisites, this plan involves a few levels of a rank 2 skill and a rank 5 skill. If they start it before they go to work/school/sleep/whatever, it'll be done by the time they get back. They possibly won't even see the Proteus in that time, depending on when he is free to play EVE. Quote: instead of 'wait a week' 'hope the proteus is still scanning you in 7 days' 'unleash your underskilled drones' '????' 'profit' 1) It's about half a day, tops, training for the recommended tools - skills that will continue to be useful in future, even if just for missions. Importantly, it's conceptually about the same amount of time it takes to get a response on an asynchronous medium like these forums; the OP probably expected to make a post in the morning and read replies in the evening. Recommending training these skills has no greater impact than, say, making a post 6 hours later. Would you claim that anyone that doesn't reply within a few minutes of the OP is wasting their time? 2) If the Proteus was scanning the characters today, and hasn't seen anything to scare him off, it's a fair bet he'll be back tomorrow. If he doesn't, he'll probably come back at some point. In fact, even if this particular Proteus isn't coming back, the skills will continue to be useful for the next time they're needed in a similar situation. Besides, see above; I don't think the OP needed an answer right now, so the assumption is that the Proteus will be back and continue to harass them (until it gets killed, of course). 3) ECM drones trained in this fashion are not "underskilled". There's nothing you can train to increase the power of jamming drones, so they'll have just as much success as someone with all skills at 5. 4) The "????" - or how to put these tools to use in order to kill the Proteus - was well explained above. It's not just a matter of hoping everything works out (which is what the meme refers to); if the plan is put into action well, the moment the Proteus is webbed and scrammed he is going down in flames. 5) Now that I can agree with. Hopefully faction- or deadspace-fit profit...
Bubbled	Posted - 2009.09.10 07:15:00 - [27] Originally by: MrHansWurst The Question is... how to kill it? Damage usually kills anything.
Adeena Torcfist Caldari Dark Underground Forces	Posted - 2009.09.10 12:06:00 - [28] my honest opinion is a curse, rapier & rook. or drop the rook, it curse & rapier have damps & are at range in the warp in point. he's then pretty much a sitting duck. bye bye skill points, bye bye expensive ship :)
Cpt Branko Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity	Posted - 2009.09.10 12:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Adeena Torcfist my honest opinion is a curse, rapier & rook. or drop the rook, it curse & rapier have damps & are at range in the warp in point. he's then pretty much a sitting duck. bye bye skill points, bye bye expensive ship :) They're low SP players, so 3 BCs with neuts, ECM drones and EHP/gank fits will have to do (and they will do, easily, since the Proteus will not be able to do anything when he runs out of cap which is going to happen very soon with ~4+ medium neuts on it, and it will be jammed by ECMs a good portion of the time anyway). Also, I do not know any Proteus pilots who will engage with a Curse & Rook visible on scanner, so you need at least 4 people (bait, Curse, Rapier, Rook) or the cloaky variants (bait, Pilgrim, Rapier, Falcon) if you cannot be bothered to wait a system away (besides, if you have to park the recons nextdoor, the 3 BCs are guaranteed to drop the Proteus faster anyway). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ignitious Hellfury Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.09.10 13:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Aaronm100 It all depends on his fitting. I would say though since he has the subsystem on to probe then he's probably not going to have an excellent tank, he may have a good buffer tank though. If you've all got pretty good tanks / good dps then i don't see why you shouldn't be able to take him down. Also if you want make everyone pack ecm drones just to annoy him so he can't lock you. Just because he's probing doesn't necessarily mean he HAS to have the probing sub. Further, probing sub has nothing to do with his tanking ability... Anything with neuts BC+ should handle him well enough. Maybe pack a smartbomb in case he's drone based, but if he isn't he'll die in short order once his cap runs dry.

Davinel Lulinvega	Posted - 2009.09.10 14:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Gartel Reiman Originally by: Debonair Dan Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega Yeah, because neuts and ecm drones are so hard to train for. They take literally entire hours! it takes about a week to learn to fly ecm drones from scratch...granted learning neuts is a shorter skill..but i think that you've just forgotten that Low experience and low SP characters have a lot of other skills they want to work through in their skill plan If players don't have an elementary skill to help with PVP, and they want to PvP - then they either have to put their current training plans on hold, or put their PvP plans on hold. If they don't want to get this guy enough to push back Refinery Efficiency 5 back a few hours then that's their call, but then they probably shouldn't get upset about the advice. Quote: ..and i was thinking it might be more appropriate to say a good strategy based on their current level of probable skills This strategy is based on their current level of skills; the assumption that they have Engineering III and Drones V is not outrageous. And in fact, EWDI is a good skill for PvE too since it lets you push your drone control range beyond 45km. If they have those prerequisites, this plan involves a few levels of a rank 2 skill and a rank 5 skill. If they start it before they go to work/school/sleep/whatever, it'll be done by the time they get back. They possibly won't even see the Proteus in that time, depending on when he is free to play EVE. Quote: instead of 'wait a week' 'hope the proteus is still scanning you in 7 days' 'unleash your underskilled drones' '????' 'profit' 1) It's about half a day, tops, training for the recommended tools - skills that will continue to be useful in future, even if just for missions. Importantly, it's conceptually about the same amount of time it takes to get a response on an asynchronous medium like these forums; the OP probably expected to make a post in the morning and read replies in the evening. Recommending training these skills has no greater impact than, say, making a post 6 hours later. Would you claim that anyone that doesn't reply within a few minutes of the OP is wasting their time? 2) If the Proteus was scanning the characters today, and hasn't seen anything to scare him off, it's a fair bet he'll be back tomorrow. If he doesn't, he'll probably come back at some point. In fact, even if this particular Proteus isn't coming back, the skills will continue to be useful for the next time they're needed in a similar situation. Besides, see above; I don't think the OP needed an answer right now, so the assumption is that the Proteus will be back and continue to harass them (until it gets killed, of course). 3) ECM drones trained in this fashion are not "underskilled". There's nothing you can train to increase the power of jamming drones, so they'll have just as much success as someone with all skills at 5. 4) The "????" - or how to put these tools to use in order to kill the Proteus - was well explained above. It's not just a matter of hoping everything works out (which is what the meme refers to); if the plan is put into action well, the moment the Proteus is webbed and scrammed he is going down in flames. 5) Now that I can agree with. Hopefully faction- or deadspace-fit profit... Thank you for doing what I was too lazy to do. Originally by: CCP Tuxford Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke! inb4 stealth edit
Cash Collection	Posted - 2009.09.10 15:23:00 - [32] 1 Drake with web, scram and neut unless he's afterburner fit. Kill the drones, range the blasters and use your huge cap advantage to wear him down. In all honesty if he's smart he will never be in range to do that so you'd have to use a.raven


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