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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.09.09 02:57:00 -
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So uhm, wow!
I am definitely committed to the idea of the CSM and will gladly serve the remainder of the term, however, not if me assuming Lark's term would preclude me from serving as a full CSM should I be elected again.
Should I finish this term I would have missed the most important part of the CSM opportunities. I would not have been able to bring any of the issues I felt were important to the table before the CSM/CCP Iceland meeting and I would NOT have been in Iceland to meet the devs to discuss the important issues facing the Eve community.
I am hoping that CCP will announce that I will still be eligible to seek reelection to the CSM for an additional term as finishing Lark's term is more administrative then productive. I certainly can't be sure to be elected again but I want to know the option is still available to me.
Also CCP, emailing me so I could learn about this before you put it in a dev blog might have been nice!
Issler
P.S. CCP, if you can find a way to supply me with some nonni's lamb subs in a reasonably fresh form we could open negotionations... :-)
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.09.09 03:30:00 -
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So thinking about the last CSM election, several candidates held their virtual lack of "character" as a plus. So some of them were elected so when it came to talk about major issues directly with the folks that can make Eve better one CSM could not participate.
"You get the government you deserve".
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.09.09 10:39:00 -
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What really annoys me is I didn't get to go to Iceland and find out what I should be speculating on! I expect is that stations will be adding nonnis sandwich outlets which you can rent and then sell the amazing lamb subs, and that planets will let you raise lambs. I expect the lambs were going to be fed some trade good and Lark bought a bunch of it all up!
So CCP, can I run again after getting dragged into this? Or at least can I get the inside Iceland info so I can get rich?
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.09.09 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba This sounds like a made up drama. We all love eve drama bombs, and sometimes they even make it into the news, which is good advertisement. But this one doesn't have enough spice, you should have added something more to it.
The guy in question wasn't very bright, that's all, doesn't mean that the other CSM members are any better, they probably do it with other accounts or via friends, so they can't be caught.
I can say without a doubt for me this is not a made up drama. An active CSM can expect to spend 20 or more hours a week participating in the process. Just being in the CSM makes you the target of random war decs, It is a job.
So now I have someone that clearly was not committed to the process,that wasted a bunch of peoples time, got sent to Iceland and blew it all away.
So I am the person that gets to pick up the pieces. I have months of meetings ahead of me knowing I never had a chance to raise any of the issues that I think mattered to the folks that voted for me with CCP face t face and that because this clown was elected I may never be able to be elected to be in the CSM again because my "second" term is now the dredges of Trak's.
This is real for me,
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.09.10 03:16:00 -
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Sorry to have appeared "whiny" about the whole thing. I definitely support the CSM and intend to honor any commitment I made to fill in.
I was just not so happy about how I found out about this and dissappointed that someone that took part in the CSM process did something that could damage any support the pilots of Eve have given the CSM.
On some level though, it is pretty epic, elect a pirate and what do you know, they act like a pirate!
Me personally though, I think perma-ban is more appropriate. This is a pretty big abuse of trust.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.09.10 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Me personally though, I think perma-ban is more appropriate. This is a pretty big abuse of trust.
Issler
Lucky what you think means nothing really, since you didn't get voted in.
Technically, I was "voted in". I got enough votes to be the first alternate and now after this a full CSM. So, yes I was voted in.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.09.11 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: saango0
Originally by: Issler Dainze Sorry to have appeared "whiny" about the whole thing. I definitely support the CSM and intend to honor any commitment I made to fill in.
I was just not so happy about how I found out about this and dissappointed that someone that took part in the CSM process did something that could damage any support the pilots of Eve have given the CSM.
On some level though, it is pretty epic, elect a pirate and what do you know, they act like a pirate!
Me personally though, I think perma-ban is more appropriate. This is a pretty big abuse of trust.
Issler
imo you should be grateful, you owe your unelected csm spot to him.
Troll much lately?
I WAS elected to this spot. And this spot means the best and most productive part of a term as a CSM has been wasted on this sad panda of a pirate. To throw away his position for 2.5 billion isk is pretty pathetic. We spent more than that on our 1st PvP tourny match Saturday.
So everyone wanted to know what I think makes it a challenge for me. I was not in Iceland to be in the NDA discussions, there is no way for me to be brought up to speed as to what I missed. I was never able to present any of the issues I might have felt as important this term 1:1 with the devs.
Some of you might say this is because I think I missed out on a ticket to Iceland. No, I still get one from CCP for Fanfest, so for me this is NOT about a free trip to Iceland. This is about missing out on the one real opportunity the CSM have to REALLY interact with CCP in some manner that might be effective.
I am impressed with the pro Lark alt spamage here in the forum topic. Lark seems to have many faces. Of course a good scammer/pirate would.
I only wish CCP had taken a little more time to realize how big an issue this really was and chosen perma-ban not not a 30 day holiday. This is a serious set back for the credibility of the CSM. I have no idea why the other CSM members remain silent about this incident. I can't imagine how they don't see how their credibility as an organization was horribly damaged by Adam Ridgway's actions.
I have been told that I am able to run for reelection for another term should I choose. I'll have to see if I'm inclined to try and run again. I can see there is enough negativity around this incident that it could complicate any attempt at a reelection.
Before any of the psuedo-larks post some dumb thing about me not be elected this term I'll point out I didn't lose by much last election even though RL kept me from any serious campaigning. And this incident is likely to make a lot of folks that maybe didn't vote realize that maybe they should next time.
The CSM is a very important experiment that CCP has created. I hope they reconsider what message such a light punishment sends to the player base. Right now it appears you can be flown to Iceland, learn all the secrets in queue, abuse that trust and if you are caught it means 30 days of WoW while you sit in the corner with a time out. In the mean time folks that seemed to do much less are tossed out for good. Not sure I understand the calibration of the ban hammer. Maybe that was something that was covered under NDA that I missed...
Issler
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