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Issler Dainze
Minmatar
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.10.06 20:41:00 -
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There has been some discussion about changing the process so that the "final" minutes are approved as the meeting goes on. basically after every topic the portion related to that topic get read back and approved right then. That would allow the minutes to be almost immediately released. I hope the CSMs of the future adopt something like that.
Issler
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Good Advice
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Posted - 2009.10.09 21:08:00 -
[32]
This is starting to get silly. Why aren't these posted yet?
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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:15:00 -
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Because the last topics on the agenda were discussed at fanfest and I was waiting for documents from CCP to finish them, I now have them received in my mailbox.
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souhyeahright
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Posted - 2009.10.10 14:37:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Because the last topics on the agenda were discussed at fanfest and I was waiting for documents from CCP to finish them, I now have them received in my mailbox.
So does that mean they'll be published once you've written them up, or do they have to go back to CCP to be filed in the nearest convenient black hole first?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.10.11 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 11/10/2009 16:24:11
Pertinant Link To Assist
(o)
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Cryten Jones
Gallente
Eldritch Storm
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2009.10.13 08:13:00 -
[36]
Any News?
-CJ
Originally by: Nogap toosmall
and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
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RedSplat
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.10.13 18:43:00 -
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The CSM cares almost as much as CCP.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
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Finnroth
Caldari
The Guardian Agency
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.13 19:11:00 -
[38]
I don't think they have much options to accelerate this process. Nevertheless it's getting a little 
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Cryten Jones
Gallente
Eldritch Storm
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2009.10.17 23:41:00 -
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Can we please have an official update on these minutes?
Surly given the fact the the CSM's existence is based on representing the player base to CCP and reporting back the actual communication to the aforementioned player base should be paramount!
I undertand that CCP need to vet the minutes and that we just had fan fest but come on guys!
Please try and avoid the trap real life councils seem to walk into with astonishing ease and remember you were elected to serve not for the love of that office.
-CJ
Originally by: Nogap toosmall
and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.10.18 18:20:00 -
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Ive worked it out.
Its the fanfest NEXT year that we have to wait for before getting the mins published.
Even a YES/NO/WAIT FOR DETAILS on each issue would suffice.
SKUNK
(o)
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.19 08:17:00 -
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Maybe because they brought up some issues and CCP laughed at them and they don't want that to be made public.
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.10.19 18:56:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Because the last topics on the agenda were discussed at fanfest and I was waiting for documents from CCP to finish them, I now have them received in my mailbox.
You've been asked several times to mail them to me since I'm now part of the CSM. When is that going to happen??
Issler
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.10.22 14:54:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 22/10/2009 14:58:18
Born Freeeeee
As Freee as the wind Blowwwwsss
LA LA LA La LA traaaa traaaa
Do Do dodoo dooo doooo
Any chance of someone please getting round to typing up the meeting minutes so we can have a look at the responses. Its kind of part of your job, in fact its arguably 100% of your job. So just do it. DO it.
Indeed, writing up a couple of pages of a4 is payment for that squiffy free jaunt to danmarkesland where you did all those jolly things. Remember that? Where you had those lovely gourmet rolls and were made to feel really important by the devs. Then you had some beers and two of you got tipsy and it was hilarious when bozzer fell out of his seat and the penuts went EVERYWHERE!
SKUNK
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The PitBoss
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.22 17:18:00 -
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Disappointing performance on both sides ... 
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
Signatures by: Kalen Vox |
Miklas Laces
tr0pa de elite
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.10.23 08:05:00 -
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stop beeing lazy, its been 2 months
release the minutes
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CCP Claw > Sokata has been destroyed for boundary violation
Drug Kito > Sokata you'll always be remembered as a noob in history of alliance tourname |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.10.23 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 23/10/2009 15:09:48
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Because the last topics on the agenda were discussed at fanfest and I was waiting for documents from CCP to finish them, I now have them received in my mailbox.
From this post - It appears that this individual is responsible for the results being published, and indeed this was the last post the individual has made on the forums (10th october)
If this person is indeed responsible, we can gather that some event has overtaken his/her eve life and we can only hope it is not a serious one.
Never the less, would some other member of the CSM care to put him or herself forward to take the publication process forward in melissas absence and point us towards the results of the meeting.
Literally a Yes/No answer to each of the points would suffice and would take you what 20 mins.
Or perhaps, as is often the case, once the freebie holiday is out of the way, all enthusiasm for the CSM goes out of the window.
SKUNK
(o)
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Cryten Jones
Gallente
Eldritch Storm
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2009.10.27 12:35:00 -
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....!
-CJ
Originally by: Nogap toosmall
and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
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Amanda R
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Posted - 2009.10.28 18:18:00 -
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Oh hey, look, no minutes.
Wow.
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Hotep Shakkara
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.30 11:33:00 -
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CCP your CSM concept is fail if you're not backing it from your side! Assign someone to clear this up! It is outrageous that the players, which were supposed to be helped and represented by the CSM, still don't have any transparancy to see what is going on and what you people have been discussing in your shiny office!
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/11/2009 18:55:04
In amongst all the VOTE FOR ME garbage of the latest set of free holiday seekers, I feel this thread, and its implied denounciation of the CSM either in organisation, or in communication to its members (with the possible exception of the new dude - Isller) shouldn't be on page two of the forums.
May it at best, embarrass the CSM into activity, and at worst stand as a testimony to the new guys of the perils of entropy and hubris associated with doning the mantle of the CSM
For the umpteeth time of asking, may whomever is responsible for the publishing of the minutes please either post them, or provide a reasonable excuse to the members you represent why they have not been published.
Also It would seem fitting for you to publish an apology for your actions.
SKUNK
(o)
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Cryten Jones
Gallente
Eldritch Storm
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2009.11.01 23:06:00 -
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All say 'aye' to that Le Skunk!
To be honest I find the fact that an election is being started before the previous session has been closed off rather offensive.
Either do it properly guys or don't do it at all!
-CJ
Originally by: Nogap toosmall
and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
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The PitBoss
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.02 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: The PitBoss on 02/11/2009 00:28:23
Originally by: Cryten Jones
Either do it properly guys or don't do it at all!
-CJ
They are doing it properly ... CCP has a WHOLE team of FREE labor to sort through the non-sense and prioritize problems with their product for the ones that actually make a salary ... 
Thank-You,
The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss)
Signatures by: Kalen Vox |
Cryten Jones
Gallente
Eldritch Storm
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2009.11.02 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: The PitBoss
Edited by: The PitBoss on 02/11/2009 00:28:23
Originally by: Cryten Jones
Either do it properly guys or don't do it at all!
-CJ
They are doing it properly ... CCP has a WHOLE team of FREE labor to sort through the non-sense and prioritize problems with their product for the ones that actually make a salary ...
That's fine...I just want to see the chuffing minutes :)
Originally by: Nogap toosmall
and your understanding of probability is on par with a radish.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.11.03 23:42:00 -
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Apparently I was a troll when I said how important minutes were to the process and how the community needed them in a timely fashion.
Who knows what the CSM does, they take so long to share their discussions with the people who seed these very discussions that it's past funny.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/11/2009 16:36:09
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 03/11/2009 23:50:10
Apparently I was a troll when I said how important minutes were to the process and how the community needed them in a timely fashion.
Who knows what the CSM does, they take so long to share their discussions with the people who seed these very discussions that it's past funny.
edit: I'll just point out something.....
Notice how after CSM meetings all the active topics fall off the first page of assembly hall?
Notice how they don't come back for further points/discussion until minutes are relseased?
Notice how this means half of each cycle is wasted?
Indeed a "timely fashion" would be preferable, but failing that some sort of timetable for the notes to be released, and as a bare bottom scraping minimum some sort of semi regular status update.
If its to say "ccp want us to withold the notes untill dominion" then so be it. If its to say "notes have been sent to ccp for final approval but they are incredibly busy at the movement" then this is also fair enough.
This blanket silence (except from a semi cryptic comment from the new guy Issler that he has "seen the notes" - though what this means to the release process nobody knows)) is a disgrace - and should not be allowed to be buried by the plees for votes from the next wave of fanbois, bored housewives, layabout students and paupers seeking free holidays.
SKUNK
(o)
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Good Advice
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Posted - 2009.11.05 21:20:00 -
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We're at around the 2 month mark for the meeting at this point. Have they canceled the CSM at just not told anyone?
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Resivan
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Posted - 2009.11.05 21:38:00 -
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At the very least it would be nice to know if the present delay is on the CSM or CCP side.
The last comment from the CSM secretary was that the minutes had been held up because something needed further discussion at Fanfest. The minutes of the Iceland meeting should be the minutes of the Iceland meeting minus anything CCP isn't willing to release yet. If the response in Iceland is, "We'll talk about this at Fanfest," then the minutes should say "Further discussion to be held at Fanfest." No more, no less. If a supplementary report on what was discussed at Fanfest is needed, generate one when the time is ripe. Don't hold up the Iceland minutes.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.06 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/11/2009 14:59:09
Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/11/2009 14:56:53
Originally by: Resivan
At the very least it would be nice to know if the present delay is on the CSM or CCP side.
The last comment from the CSM secretary was that the minutes had been held up because something needed further discussion at Fanfest. The minutes of the Iceland meeting should be the minutes of the Iceland meeting minus anything CCP isn't willing to release yet. If the response in Iceland is, "We'll talk about this at Fanfest," then the minutes should say "Further discussion to be held at Fanfest." No more, no less. If a supplementary report on what was discussed at Fanfest is needed, generate one when the time is ripe. Don't hold up the Iceland minutes.
The last comment from the person who appeared to be claiming responsibility for the minutes whom to name and shame is
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
was on the 10th of October in this thread and then silence.
I was concerned that the forum silence and non comment may have indicated that this person may have had real life issues preventing him from posting (in deep depression after being sacked from his high powered job for inability to write up meeting notes, wife leaving him for losing job, in hospital treated for depression due to wife leaving him etc) and thus any complaining on the forums would be inappropriate.
However that poster has since posted a couple of times (on non related issues such as to praise someones combat video) so he/she is obviously active - jut choosing not to respond to this thread.
I also believe that individual is *laugh* SEEKING RE-ELECTION to the CSM.
The last official mention from a CSM memeber on the issue was this from the new guy Issler.
Quote:
Well, I've finally seen them, can't say anything specifically except if you are an industrialist you will just break down into uncontrollable weeping.
Issler
Which I appreciate immensely that he has spent the time to post a response, but it doesn't really help the people who voted them in and are trying to work out whats going on.
Perhaps Issler (whom i know monitors this thread) could perhaps attempt to get a status update for us?
SKUNK
(o)
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.11.06 15:13:00 -
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minutes were sent to CCP weeks ago. Whenever CCP decides to publish them is not under our control.
Director of Education :: EVE University
Chairman of the CSM
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.11.06 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/11/2009 16:01:11
Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/11/2009 15:58:46
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
minutes were sent to CCP weeks ago. Whenever CCP decides to publish them is not under our control.
Praise be, one of them speaketh.
Seriously though thanks for the response. Its all us mortals have been asking for (for 2 months non the less) and gratefully received.
Ive petitioned CCP and received a very quick and very polite response. Without revealing specific responses (which i believe to be against the forum rules) I can confirm that people are working on it and there is no specific date when they will be ready.
So basically anyone interested has to lump it and wait. Im tempted to go get the new york times article again and launch into a damming tirade about ccp and the csm but of course you all know the ins and outs already.
SKUNK
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