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DarkAegix Acetech Systems 37	Posted - 2011.09.18 12:40:00 - [1] - Quote Because I was exceedingly bored I decide to add up the T2 resists of each race. Minmatar: 417.5 Caldari: 408.75 Amarr: 405 Gallente: 366 Minmatar is on top, of course. Gallente is at the bottom, as expected. Minmatar have their Vagabonds, while Gallente have their Diemosts. On a side note, the Cyclone, Claymore and Sleipnir all have one extra slot compared to their counterparts. Damnation = 17 slots Sleipnir = 18 slots sigh
Aamrr HnL Enterprise 33	Posted - 2011.09.18 13:02:00 - [2] - Quote In before "different ships are different, you can't just compare stats like that, we lose damage to falloff" etc. That said, I agree with you. It really is quite ridiculous. We'd all be infinitely better off if they had just nerfed scorch and called it a day.
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2011.09.18 13:35:00 - [3] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: Damnation = 17 slots Sleipnir = 18 slots lol Damnation is amarr and not the equiv. to the Sleip, the Absolution is equiv. to the Sleip Your looking for the Astarte And as stated before you can't just add up resists like that 1,700,000 Species Of Plants...-á365 Days In A Year...-á243 Countries In The World...-á12 Planets In Our Solar System...-áOnly 1-Up Mushroom-á
DarkAegix Acetech Systems 37	Posted - 2011.09.18 13:47:00 - [4] - Quote 1-Up Mushroom wrote: Damnation is amarr and not the equiv. to the Sleip, the Absolution is equiv. to the Sleip I'm terribly sorry. Sleipnir = 18 slots Absolution = 17 slots Is that better? My point remains. Also, that was a side note and I was comparing Minmatar to all other races rather than specifically Gallente.
Kesshisan 26	Posted - 2011.09.18 14:06:00 - [5] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: Also, that was a side note and I was comparing Minmatar to all other races rather than specifically Gallente. "Further evidence that Minmatar is overpowered, and Gallente underpowered" You can see where the confusion stems from, can't you? .
sabre906 Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice 2	Posted - 2011.09.18 14:38:00 - [6] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: Because I was exceedingly bored I decide to add up the T2 resists of each race. Minmatar: 417.5 Caldari: 408.75 Amarr: 405 Gallente: 366 Minmatar is on top, of course. Gallente is at the bottom, as expected. Minmatar have their Vagabonds, while Gallente have their Diemosts. On a side note, the Cyclone, Claymore and Sleipnir all have one extra slot compared to their counterparts. Damnation = 17 slots Sleipnir = 18 slots sigh The idea is that the higher up resists go, the harder it is to increase it further, and the more weight is given to it. So races with the most evenish resists ends up with highest total resists when you add it all up. It doesn't hold up in practice, of course, especially for shields, as invulnerabilities give far more total resistance than hardners. Evenish resists is an advantage, not a drawback. Minmatar's evenish t2 shield resists means it can be rounded up without holes with only invulnerabilities, using fewer slots to achieve higher resists.
Sphynix The Embraced Of Eve 8	Posted - 2011.09.18 14:51:00 - [7] - Quote All these wonderful posts about how this race or that race is WTFPWN or not... wasn't it just 2 years ago(?) that Minmatar were the "laughing stock" and everyone was saying they were the worst? Kinda makes you wonder - if you start training Gallente now, by the time you get really good skills for them - then you might find them to be FOTM... no?
Adam Kirwen The Eleusinian Mystery Cult 0	Posted - 2011.09.18 15:07:00 - [8] - Quote Sphynix wrote: All these wonderful posts about how this race or that race is WTFPWN or not... wasn't it just 2 years ago(?) that Minmatar were the "laughing stock" and everyone was saying they were the worst? No, it wasn't.
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.09.18 15:12:00 - [9] - Quote Adam Kirwen wrote: Sphynix wrote: All these wonderful posts about how this race or that race is WTFPWN or not... wasn't it just 2 years ago(?) that Minmatar were the "laughing stock" and everyone was saying they were the worst? No, it wasn't. Not quite in the same way Gallante is now, at least.
Fabulous Virgil Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2011.09.18 15:25:00 - [10] - Quote i'd love to disagree, but i can't that being said, the issue wasn't so big before the projectile overhaul
Sassaniak Rayvek Laboratories 2	Posted - 2011.09.18 15:26:00 - [11] - Quote Sphynix wrote: All these wonderful posts about how this race or that race is WTFPWN or not... wasn't it just 2 years ago(?) that Minmatar were the "laughing stock" and everyone was saying they were the worst? Kinda makes you wonder - if you start training Gallente now, by the time you get really good skills for them - then you might find them to be FOTM... no? been waiting on that for a few years now, it was my bad timing to get in right after the nano nerf. i dont know what would make gallente balanced, but i would like to to become balanced. as it is while i like blasters, i have trouble getting into any semblance of range without having to station hug never had a tracking problem as i always have a web or two, but that shouldn't be required (and how do they miss at 100m x 0m/s on a stationary target?). and rails, well, yeah. rails.
Cambarus Clearly Compensating 3	Posted - 2011.09.18 15:53:00 - [12] - Quote Adam Kirwen wrote: Sphynix wrote: All these wonderful posts about how this race or that race is WTFPWN or not... wasn't it just 2 years ago(?) that Minmatar were the "laughing stock" and everyone was saying they were the worst? No, it wasn't. Let's look back shall we? Since minmatar got buffed, obviously they've been quite good (no, not OP, they're more or less on par with amarr atm). Prior to that, amarr reigned supreme for a fair while after their buffs and changes to the metagame (the nano nerf alone was enough to make pulses kick ass, did they really need another 25% tracking and a lowering of EM resists?). Prior to that, we had the nano age. Each race had a few good choices, and matar were definitely not at the bottom, and this was after the first nano nerf, because the things you could do with a nano-nos domi or phoon were absurd. During most of the nano-age, it was amarr who were the laughing stock of the game, not minmatar. I can't really vouch for anything prior to that, as I only started messing around with pvp about 5 years ago, but I think my point is made Fabulous Virgil wrote: i'd love to disagree, but i can't that being said, the issue wasn't so big before the projectile overhaul It actually was, it just wasn't the only issue. Back before ACs and arties got buffed, the general opinion floating around the forum was that lasers were OP, and that CCP was either going to have to buff projectiles and hybrids, or nerf lasers. They chose the former, but forgot the second half of it.
Fighter26 Orion's Fist RED.Legion 3	Posted - 2011.09.18 16:44:00 - [13] - Quote leave Amarr, Mimmy alone and just fix Gallente rails. They need serious work to become viable weapons platform. Ishkur, Deimos, and Hyperion all need a -50% microwarp effect when scrammed, so they still gain 50% micro speed even under scrambler... this gives them the ability to chase down prey stupid enough to get that close to a blaster boat.
stoicfaux 235	Posted - 2011.09.18 18:02:00 - [14] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: Because I was exceedingly bored I decide to add up the T2 resists of each race. Minmatar: 417.5 Caldari: 408.75 Amarr: 405 Gallente: 366 Any reason why you didn't add up the EHP instead?
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.09.18 18:45:00 - [15] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: DarkAegix wrote: Because I was exceedingly bored I decide to add up the T2 resists of each race. Minmatar: 417.5 Caldari: 408.75 Amarr: 405 Gallente: 366 Any reason why you didn't add up the EHP instead? Because we all know hull hp matters and shield/armor resists don't.
Aamrr HnL Enterprise 34	Posted - 2011.09.18 18:49:00 - [16] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: DarkAegix wrote: Because I was exceedingly bored I decide to add up the T2 resists of each race. Minmatar: 417.5 Caldari: 408.75 Amarr: 405 Gallente: 366 Any reason why you didn't add up the EHP instead? Might have something to do with the benefits of remote-repair or the fact that adding a plate or extender module gives a larger percentage increase to low-hp ships than large-hp ships.
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 8	Posted - 2011.09.18 22:48:00 - [17] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: Because I was exceedingly bored I decide to add up the T2 resists of each race. Minmatar: 417.5 Caldari: 408.75 Amarr: 405 Gallente: 366 Minmatar is on top, of course. Gallente is at the bottom, as expected. Minmatar have their Vagabonds, while Gallente have their Diemosts. What do you mean "add up the T2 resists"? Did you just take a random hull and compare across races? And Minmatar are going to come out on top, because they are the ones that get boosted EM resists which are normally 0% in shields.
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.09.18 23:20:00 - [18] - Quote Mfume Apocal wrote: Minmatar are going to come out on top, because they are the ones that get boosted EM resists which are normally 0% in shields. ^This Of the shield races: Minmatar gets EM boost to shield Caldari gets 0% EM to shield and boost to... thermal. Of the armor races: Amar gets explosive boost to armor Gallante get 10% explosive resist to armor and boost to kinetic. Incidentally, nonsucky races on top
Alexandria Aesirial TaKeRs Inc. 0	Posted - 2011.09.19 18:45:00 - [19] - Quote I thought I'd add this. Absolution deals almost the same amount of dps even though it's one turret short and has better EHP. ABSO STATS SLEIP STATS
Aamrr HnL Enterprise 36	Posted - 2011.09.19 19:01:00 - [20] - Quote One would hope it would have better EHP. It gets a resist bonus. The Sleipnir gets an active tank bonus. When you ignore one of the ship's bonuses, it's going to look defensively gimped. The fact that the Absolution almost manages to catch up in DPS is a reflection of the fact that lasers have higher base DPS -- you know, to compensate for the absurd powergrid and capacitor requirements, the worse tracking, and the inability to select damage types. If the ships were properly balanced, the Absolution wouldn't be "close," it would be the leader in raw DPS figures by a decent margin -- until you considered the drawbacks of the turrets themselves.
Alexandria Aesirial TaKeRs Inc. 0	Posted - 2011.09.19 23:43:00 - [21] - Quote Practically, the sleipnir is much better than the abso. I strongly suggest an extra mid slot and more cap/pg for the abso.
Zeomebuch Nova Metalworks 0	Posted - 2011.09.19 23:50:00 - [22] - Quote Alexandria Aesirial wrote: I thought I'd add this. Absolution deals almost the same amount of dps even though it's one turret short and has better EHP. ABSO STATS SLEIP STATS Now forget the numbers on your desk and try fielding an abso and a sleip. Later on, tell me which one made shitloads more damage than the other, just dont keep em like sitting ducks while at it for the sake of unbiased, sense-making sheets. Have fun.
Written Word Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 11	Posted - 2011.09.20 00:38:00 - [23] - Quote I added up the number of turrets of a Brutix and a Deimos and the turrets of a Vagabond and a Cyclone Gallente: 12!!!!!!! Minmatar: 10 Obviously the only conclusion we can draw from excellent statistical data like this Is to nerf gallente.
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 98	Posted - 2011.09.20 01:50:00 - [24] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: Because I was exceedingly bored I decide to add up the T2 resists of each race. Minmatar: 417.5 Caldari: 408.75 Amarr: 405 Gallente: 366 Minmatar is on top, of course. Gallente is at the bottom, as expected. Minmatar have their Vagabonds, while Gallente have their Diemosts. On a side note, the Cyclone, Claymore and Sleipnir all have one extra slot compared to their counterparts. Damnation = 17 slots Sleipnir = 18 slots sigh Now add up short range default DPS (all highest tier guns, standard shortest range ammo, no damage mods) Now add up EHP In fact, let me google that for you. Damnation: 40,817 EHP, 156 DPS with HAMs Absolution: 29,217 EHP, 361 DPS Claymore: 25,821 EHP, 216 DPS Sleipnir: 23,862 EHP, 379 DPS Oh what a surprise.
Hatsumi Kobayashi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 4	Posted - 2011.09.20 02:00:00 - [25] - Quote Written Word wrote: I added up the number of turrets of a Brutix and a Deimos and the turrets of a Vagabond and a Cyclone Gallente: 12!!!!!!! Minmatar: 10 Obviously the only conclusion we can draw from excellent statistical data like this Is to nerf gallente. To further support your claim I have added up the number of turrets of the Gallente battleships and the turrets of the Minmatar battleships. Gallente: 21 Minmatar: 19 Obviously our conclusions match and we should indeed nerf Gallente.
SpaceSquirrels Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe 3	Posted - 2011.09.20 02:18:00 - [26] - Quote Simple.... train minm ships. It's not as if you dont have the option.
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2011.09.20 02:42:00 - [27] - Quote SpaceSquirrels wrote: Simple.... train minm ships. It's not as if you dont have the option. By the time you're done with that, blasters will be buffed and autos rolled back.
Menenda Tararena Project XIII 2	Posted - 2011.09.20 07:48:00 - [28] - Quote Adam Kirwen wrote: Sphynix wrote: All these wonderful posts about how this race or that race is WTFPWN or not... wasn't it just 2 years ago(?) that Minmatar were the "laughing stock" and everyone was saying they were the worst? No, it wasn't. 3 years
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 204	Posted - 2011.09.20 07:59:00 - [29] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: Because I was exceedingly bored I decide to add up the T2 resists of each race. Minmatar: 417.5 Caldari: 408.75 Amarr: 405 Gallente: 366 Minmatar is on top, of course. Gallente is at the bottom, as expected. Minmatar have their Vagabonds, while Gallente have their Diemosts. On a side note, the Cyclone, Claymore and Sleipnir all have one extra slot compared to their counterparts. Damnation = 17 slots Sleipnir = 18 slots sigh The Sleipnir and Damnation aren't counterparts Sleipnir <=> Absolution Claymore <=> Damnation Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 204	Posted - 2011.09.20 08:05:00 - [30] - Quote Menenda Tararena wrote: Adam Kirwen wrote: Sphynix wrote: All these wonderful posts about how this race or that race is WTFPWN or not... wasn't it just 2 years ago(?) that Minmatar were the "laughing stock" and everyone was saying they were the worst? No, it wasn't. 3 years IIRC, Minmatar got their fix with Dominion with the changes to projectile ammo and to Tracking Enhancers/Computers. Blaster ships also received a small boost with the tracking enhancer change. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

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