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MEESOHONY
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Posted - 2009.09.09 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: MEESOHONY on 09/09/2009 23:18:38
Im really curious currently I have been looking into Torp Ravens and Pulse Abbys and from my point of view its like the Abby is a faction boat right out of the gates with its great slot layout huge fitting and 5% resist bonuses and way bigger drone bay. Also where the other tier 3 bs`s seem to be in a niche catagory the abby is a chip off the block...basically still a midrange rappist just with more tank.
I can only use ravens and want someone to tell me, How a raven has a chance fighting an abby, see it can fight a geddon and win but thats still not a sure thing and its only due to the tank of the geddon.
But with the 5% resist bonus and pulse lasers it seems like a daunting task thats almost impossible.
So I know there is no 1 single fight as there are a 1000 varibles but lets say on paper, In a fight were the pilots are of equal skill does a raven have a chance?
If so what are my tactics vs a Geddon/Apoc/Abby?
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.09.09 23:22:00 -
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Massive em/therm resists with a cap boosted set of heavy neuts and an xl booster. When he runs dry you can take all day to kill him off.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.09.09 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: NoNah on 09/09/2009 23:35:44
Basically, if you know what you're up against nearly all ships cna take care of it's opponent. For example...
[Raven, proof of concept]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Vespa EC-600 x2
Hornet EC-300 x1
Wasp EC-900 x2
A horrible failfit, that would kill nearly any abaddon there is. Now if the raven DOESN'T know it's going up against an abaddon but is fit for some sort of solo roam, it will have issues. It can most definately be done, but it will be hard, very hard.
EDIT: Ouff, meant to throw neuts and not nos in there, but meh, you get the point.
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Shina Windol
Caldari
XII Legion
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2009.09.09 23:38:00 -
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If the fight lasts longer than 3-5 minutes, odds are that if you've survived he has capped out or is very close to doing so...less if you have a large nuet or two fitted as well. If you have a Tracking Disrupt in your mids as well, that may lessen his DPS until you can outlast his cap.
Abaddon's drone bay is 75 m3 same as the Raven so that's not as big a factor as you make it out to be
In a quick, brutal fight however, I'd give it to the Abaddon 4 times out of 5.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.09.09 23:41:00 -
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The cap boosted thing has one slight flaw, in that an Abaddon can carry more cap charges than a Raven thanks to not having to fill the hold with ammo.
If you KNOW it's an Abaddon and you KNOW it's going to be purely a 1v1 try this:
MWD, torps, 2 tracking disruptors (optimal range), cap booster.
Stay at 20-24km, tracking disruptors will stop him from being able to shoot you, torp his sad panda ass into oblivion.
That's what I'd try. If you at least make sure you're faster you can at least run away if it doesn't seem to be working!
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Harotak
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2009.09.09 23:44:00 -
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A proper torp raven does huge damage, and best of all you can do pure explosive. Its just a matter of tanking the abaddon long enough to kill it, which can be hard without crystals or a blue pill.
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Xandi Crews
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Posted - 2009.09.09 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Edited by: NoNah on 09/09/2009 23:35:44
Basically, if you know what you're up against nearly all ships cna take care of it's opponent. For example...
[Raven, proof of concept]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Vespa EC-600 x2
Hornet EC-300 x1
Wasp EC-900 x2
A horrible failfit, that would kill nearly any abaddon there is. Now if the raven DOESN'T know it's going up against an abaddon but is fit for some sort of solo roam, it will have issues. It can most definately be done, but it will be hard, very hard.
EDIT: Ouff, meant to throw neuts and not nos in there, but meh, you get the point.
What. He would just deagress and jump/dock/have enough time to get all his friends
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Arrador
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Posted - 2009.09.10 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Harotak
A proper torp raven does huge damage, and best of all you can do pure explosive. Its just a matter of tanking the abaddon long enough to kill it, which can be hard without crystals or a blue pill.
or Fit out massive resists for EM/Thermal damage - which is only what the abaddon can deal. whereas the raven can pick damage types.
My money would be on the raven. Massive Alpha - with neuts/vamps to negate any armor repairs, and getting under the abaddon's guns to minimize damage....
but then again - I'm a caldari ***** :)
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.09.10 00:50:00 -
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Actually, in an arranged 1v1, a Raven with a good pilot is a very hard ship to fight, because it's so unpredictable. You need to harden all resists because it can choose damage type, and it has 6 meds for ewar.
So, either massive EM/therm hardened active shield tank with crystals and blue pill, or you can go for a EM/thermal hardened armour tank with triple tracking disruptor comedy and simply AB around close in where the lasers simply can't track you.
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Red zeon
Caldari
Circle of Shadows
Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.09.10 01:45:00 -
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ive killed several abaddons with torp raven without preparing slot layout to fight one.
this is on sisi (i dont solo pvp in bs) wich have been decent fitted.
its alot about skill and fits.
and ive fitted em with shield buffer so it can neut its cap dry allmost as much it wants.
just wait with using neuts, since you dont wanna waste cap to gnudge the cap from 95%
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Sturmwolke
Genyosha Legion
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Posted - 2009.09.10 02:24:00 -
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Torp Ravens and active shield tanking are mutually exclusive. With equal skills, assuming both fit for std buffer and with Raven running twin med-neuts; a triple Trimarked, twin 1600mm plated Abaddon will outlast the Raven with a comfortable margin.
The only saving grace that may win the fight for the Raven are those neuts. Now, if the Abaddon pilot is clever and is able to manage his cap boost with his gun cycle time vs the neut's cycle time, I'd wager the Raven will pop first. |
Dasalt Istgut
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Posted - 2009.09.10 03:14:00 -
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If both ships are fit with general purpose non-faction real world fits? No. Problem is that a cap boosted abaddon should kill the raven before even a dual neut raven caps it out - the abaddon will have 2x the EHP of the Raven. Only setup I can see beating an abaddon in a fair fight is a crystal set faction fit shield boosting Raven - which is obviously not a general solo fit.
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MEESOHONY
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Posted - 2009.09.10 04:00:00 -
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Ok guys, the Abby seems to me very similiar to the ham drake in its +5% resists and massive tank, anyways ok I guess my bext question is we are dec`d with a corp who uses pretty often a abby geddon and maelstrom, what would be your guy`s dream 5 man team to take em out, assume we can only field 4 bs`s 1 raven 2 megas and a scorp, for the 5th ship i guess we could use a smaller frig as tackler or what ever.
Anyways whats dream team for standard t2 fitted t1 bs`s and 1 tackler, to beat those enemys. I was thinking make a nueter and orbit the hell out of each ship or Is a tracking jamming frig better? Anyways 5 ships Ive laid out bs types and they can pretty much fly all t1 stuff enderneath that what would be best combo to take em out. Really this smallgang seems scary to me but im sure you all will think up something.
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Harotak
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2009.09.10 04:58:00 -
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Edited by: Harotak on 10/09/2009 04:59:21
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Would be the best five man team you could field against that. But if you need advise on how to kill three people with five people, you are doing it wrong.
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