Originally by: zzzshadow

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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Edited by: Dinamita Tona on 15/09/2009 18:43:17

Originally by: CCP Ytterbium

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V. Angel Cartel:



Machariel:

òSlot layout: 8 high, 5 med, 7 low slots, 7 turrets, no launchers
òFittings: 600 CPU, 17950 powergrid
òBonuses: pirate: 25% bonus to large projectile rate of fire, Minmatar battleship: +5% to large projectile turret damage per level,

Gallente battleship: +10% falloff to large projectile turrets per level

òHitpoints: 9317 shields, 9298 armor, 8260 hull
òCapacitor: 5800 capacitor, 1154.875s recharge (about 5.02 cap/s)
òDronebay: 100m3 bandwidth, 125m3 dronebay
òSpeed: 161m/s max velocity, 0.084 agility, 94,680,000kg
òSensor: 62km targeting range, 7 locked targets, 150mm scan resolution, 26 ladar sensor strength, 340m signature radius

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everything fine but as you already inntenden to drop tracking bonus i would sugest to add another gallente bonus rather than fallof

Gallente battleship: 20% bonus to warp scrambler range

that would make this ship really frightening in pvp
please make this change

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as there is only 7 turrets allowed:
i would drop 8th hi-slot and add it to med
this way slot would be better used and gives more versatility

i would accept 8th low slot as well

+1 for scram range over falloff

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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for pvp you need scram, but if you would do any pvp you would know that

ps my mistake you already fly one :P

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Originally by: Dinamita Tona

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for pvp you need scram, but if you would do any pvp you would know that

ps my mistake you already fly one :P

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Yes, but for PvP extra scram range is pointless if you cannot hit within that extra scram range. Sure, it might be a nice thought to be able to scram something sooner while closing in, but for 80% of the fight you're wasting a whole bonus on being able to scram something 2 or 3 seconds sooner (While you close range, as with the new stats the machariel is going to be even faster)

You will not be maintaining damage at the range of your extra scram range, especially with only 19~ KM falloff. (Unless you are talking about the MWD-Killing scrams. If you are, then you're getting close enough already and once again, should be focusing on damage, the extra range bonus is a waste where tracking or falloff would be a better universal bonus)

Whereas, the 50% extra falloff allows you to do more damage at both scram and disrupter ranges. I'm still not sure whether i like losing 37.5% tracking, but for 50% falloff as a trade? I'll live. Probably better off for it too even though my first reaction was "WTF TRACKING". The lessened Mass and extra agility are going to be pretty damn nice too. Overall the machariel's ONLY PROBLEM right now is that large AC's, to put it in a word - SUCK.

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like said if you cant use them stick to missiles
scram is for killing mwd and web is for holding them at place
i dont need 60 km range, 5 is just enough,
but need something that will stop wts from fleeing
i would preffer tracking, but if not tracking then scram range

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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa

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Let us use small neuts on the Ashimmu. Let us use small and medium neuts on the Bhaalgorn. Why should these ships be the only ships restricted on what tech they can use?

>:(

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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa

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Let us use small neuts on the Ashimmu. Let us use small and medium neuts on the Bhaalgorn. Why should these ships be the only ships restricted on what tech they can use?

>:(

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....Not to burst your Flow, but you very well can use med/small on the bhaalgorn and small on the ashimmu. Try it for crying out loud, THEY GET THE BONUS.

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I tried.

They don't get the bonus.

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Originally by: Nekmet Awai

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not much in to most of these ships, but can see you are cutting the nightmares cap/sec in half.
maybe that is a bit overdoing it. wouldn't you say :/
exspecially considering it is a ship using lasers which take up a hell of a lot more then any other weapon systems.

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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa

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OMG IT GETS THE BONUS

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Originally by: Meiyang Lee

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Originally by: Tar Murk

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Originally by: CCP Ytterbium

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Small change (not going to make it for this evening test unfortunately)

Ashimmu:

òSlot layout: has lost a turret hardpoint (for a total of 3, still keeps 6 high-slots)
òDronebay: received 10m3 dronebay and bandwitdh

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-200mil price tag on ashimmu on Tranq.

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4 100% bonused turrets and all that web and neut power was a bit OP don't you agree? So, reducing it by 1 makes sense to get a more reasonable damage output. You're still looking at ~350 DPS with a very nasty set of powers to back it up.

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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa

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Originally by: Mahke

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Good.

As much as I like the changes made, the blood ships are/were overpowered.

It's not just the ashimmu though , although that's a start.

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Only, not.

The Ashimmu has a chance to kill its own cap faster than its target, depending on cap boosters. The Ashimmu has a SUCKY cargo bay and that means when it runs out of cap boosters, the ashimmu loses. No way to balance that fallacy.

So, it needs to do extreme damage very quickly in order to maintain its role on the field, especially in a 1v1 situation.

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Originally by: Spc One

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Edited by: Spc One on 18/09/2009 17:47:34


Machariel:
Slot layout: 8 high, 5 med, 7 low slots, 7 turrets, no launchers

NO LAUNCHERS ???
WTF ?
I've been using a mix of lauchers and projectiles..
If you change this i will quit eve i promise.




Please keep 4 Laucher points on the machariel.
Thanks.

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Originally by: Kuronaga

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You know, I've been thinking. Why don't you give something crazy to the Sansha ships like a tracking disruptor bonus?

A good chunk of the rats use em, so it'd be consistent.

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Originally by: Earl Scarelet

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Edited by: Earl Scarelet on 21/09/2009 06:10:58
Hello I tired to give attribute and bonus to those faction battleships in my own way possibly adding a E-war bonus to each race.
I know lot of you are going to give a laugh on it. But IÆm doing it just for discussion and fun to see what your thoughts are.
Cheers-.

Rattlesnake-
Slot û 6/8/4 4- missile points.
Bonus:
Pirate: 100% bonus to torpedo and cruise missile damage
Caldari: 10% bonus to torpedo and cruise missile velocity per level
Gallante: 10% bonus to warp disruptor/scrambler range
Drone: 75Mbit bandwidth with 75m3 drone bay

Nightmare-
Slot û 6/6/6 4-turret points.
Bonus:
Pirate: 100% bonus to large energy turret damage.
Amarr: 7.5% bonus to armor resistance
Caldari: 20% bonus to racial E.C.M strength.
Drone: 0Mbit bandwidth with 0m3 drone bay(No drones available)

Bhaalgorn-
Slot û 6/5/7 4-turret points.
Bonus:
Pirate: 100% large energy turret damage
Amarr: 15% bonus to energy emission system drain amount
Minmatar: 20% bonus to stasis web effective range
Drone: 75Mbit bandwidth with 74m3 drone bay.

Vindicator-
Slot- 6/5/7 4-turret points.
Bonus:
Pirate: 100% bonus to large hybrid turret damage
Gallante: 5% bonus to large hybrid turret damage
Minmatar: 10% bonus to stasis web effective strength.
Drone: 125Mbit bandwidth with 125m3 drone bay.

Machariel-
Slot- 6/6/6 2-missile points 2- turret points
Bonus:
Pirate: 150% bonus to large project turret and missile damage
Minmatar: 20% bonus target painter strength.
Gallante: 5% Bonus to M.W.D speed boost
Drone: 0Mbit bandwidth with 0m3 drone bay. ( No drones available)

Yes I know they're overpowered but it's the way that we can see more of those shinny ships on battlefield but carebearing in high sec,no?

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Originally by: Blane Xero

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Due to the Artillery boost coming and the fact Tracking modules will now have a Falloff modifier, i am going to have to rescind my support of the Machariels extra 50% falloff. Instead i have a small "tweak" idea.

Special Ability - 30% Bonus to Large Projectile Falloff.

Minmatar Battleship - 7.5% bonus to Large Projectile Rate of Fire.
Gallente Battleship - 5% bonus to Large Projectile Damage.


I believe that, with these changes, the Machariel would be well balanced in comparison with other faction battleships. It will also be formidable with either Auto-cannons or Artillery. Angel/Minmatar and such are all about versatility, right?

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Originally by: Missilequeen

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Originally by: BarfCo

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Edited by: BarfCo on 03/10/2009 13:34:53

Originally by: OtonasiAkari

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And I see the 7 turret mach looks bit odd. well just imo since I love symmetry thingy..

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I have the same feeling about this.

6 or 8 turrets just look better.


And adding to that:

With the extra speed of the Machariel and the projectile changes the need for fall-off is all but gone and the need for tracking only becomes greater.

What good is more damage if you can't hit stuff.

Please change back the Gallente bonus...

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how much tracking bonus do you need to hit a target with your AC's 45 km away?

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Originally by: Qui Shon

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Edited by: Qui Shon on 08/10/2009 21:09:46

There is 26 pages, so pardon me if it's already been brought up.

Why does the Nightmare have 1 less slot then the Bhaalgorn? Why does it have 2 slots less then the (1500dps) Vindicator?

How is this balanced?

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Originally by: ZigZag Joe

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Originally by: Ulstan

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Originally by: Excellent Roze

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with these changes the gila is looking more and more like a second ishtar crossed with the missile and shield abilities of a drake...

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The gila gets 3 unbonused launchers.

The drake gets 7 bonused launchers.

If the gila has the missile abilities of a drake, then the raven has the turret capabilities of an armageddon.

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Shield abilities. Learn to read.

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