Daniel Borealis
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Posted - 2009.09.17 03:03:00 -
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If this change goes through as proposed.. what exactly is the role for close range hac's? They're all ready outperformed by nearly all bc's (considering the cost question). More importantly, light drones are not a counter for assault frigs, as any tanked af can easily tank quite a few light drones...
People saying that an af cannot solo a hac are being extremely foolish.. I know, I've done it, and it's easy. Perhaps some sort of speed boost for afterburner hac's?
Overall I would rather no such ab change to af's was made. They're quite effective as it is.
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Daniel Borealis
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Posted - 2009.09.17 07:45:00 -
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Edited by: Daniel Borealis on 17/09/2009 07:46:17
Edited by: Daniel Borealis on 17/09/2009 07:45:45
 Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/09/2009 07:15:57
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/09/2009 07:14:31
Originally by: Daniel Borealis
If this change goes through as proposed.. what exactly is the role for close range hac's? They're all ready outperformed by nearly all bc's (considering the cost question). More importantly, light drones are not a counter for assault frigs, as any tanked af can easily tank quite a few light drones...
People saying that an af cannot solo a hac are being extremely foolish.. I know, I've done it, and it's easy. Perhaps some sort of speed boost for afterburner hac's?
Overall I would rather no such ab change to af's was made. They're quite effective as it is.
The thing is that most HACs which are considered worthwhile are sniper HACs; they offer things T1 counterparts cannot do, which is why they're considered good value for money. Only the Diemost has nothing that T1 doesn't offer, which is why it's generally considered to be a failboat.
They're far from being the be-all of cruiser-sized combat; but are rather specialized combat ships. Which is good balance.
Obviously long range sniper HAC's have their niche. However, over time increasing changes have continued to make roaming with very expensive close range HAC's more and more problematic. I'm sure I don't have to list the changes that lead to it... (AB boost, scrams=no mwd, etc)
The thing about this change is that it fixes no discernible problem while making af's borderline overpowered. This is a 20-30 million isk ship with dps approaching a close range HAC's, the ability to shrug off larger fire due to a tiny signature radius and a propulsion mod that neither raises its signature nor can be realistically shut off with a scram or medium neutralizer. A close range HAC such as a vagabond in comparison will cost over 150 million ISK, and barely have the ability to outrun an AB AF, while doing slightly more EFT damage.
I'm not going to go into a detailed discussion of the current shortcomings of close range HAC's, but they exemplify the current trend toward smaller and cheaper ships that can effectively disable a very expensive larger ship. Even light drones are no solution; I know my Jaguar can easily tank 5x light drones indefinately, even if I'm not shooting them... which I would be.
I fly both classes, I just wish soloing in a HAC didn't keep getting smacked down. My Jag is pretty nasty as is, I don't understand need for a further boost.
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