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Finshraira
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Finshraira on 16/09/2009 02:19:27
Hi
I have just finished building a computer and i have Windows XP and a small space (8G maybe) for Ubuntu Linux.
1: Since i have never used Linux before, I wanted to know if it is a good idea to use it for gaming and maybe other things.
2: Also how would i start using Linux? What is the best way to learn it?
(This post will be posted on World of Warcraft Forums and EVE-Online Forum to gather more info)
World of Warcraft- Forum: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19820526863&postId=198185746519&sid=1#0 |
Finshraira
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.16 02:38:00 -
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... I though due to this having an actual Linux forum i could get more help than WoW general forum... i was wrong lol. still need more info.
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Miraqu
Caldari
Marquie-X Corp
Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.09.16 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Miraqu on 16/09/2009 07:59:35
Eve is a game all around the world and ist not as large as WoW. So its very likely that we both live on different sides of the globe and an answer takes as long as that.
Eve is for the patient :)
now to your questions:
1. Most game companies don't really bother to support linux users. A nice exception is ID software and some indie companies. So for playing on linux you'll likely need wine and a (preferably, although it could change anytime) a nvidia card. You will seldom be able to play out of the box and you will need to learn some skills and knowledge how a computer works to get it working.
2. The best way to learn is trying. Installing Ubuntu will keep your windows installation and install a nice bootloader to use both. You will need to be patient and willing to unlearn. The way how you do things you are used to from windows is not the only way of doing things and quite often there are several ways to reach a goal. Also keep trying. No one can learn a different OS in a few days.
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PS:
You gave the ppl 20 Minutes to answer your post? You know that not only us-players play eve and that a major portion of the posters here likely slept while you wrote that?
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farfrael
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.16 11:51:00 -
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this is outrageous
OP has not updated this thread for more than 20 minutes? WTF is going on?
Really, on these linux forums, I expected OP to keep asking silly questions every 5 minutes not this terrible silence ... somebody is failing hard
Also confirming I am cross-posting this message to "whocaresforums.com"
If you REALLY are interested in discovering linux then firstly provide the OS with a normal amount of resources. You would not expect to test windows 7 on a 8Gig partition in the dusty corner of your.
If HDD space is the issue, try a live-cd distribution, runs without needing to install anything and will give you a decent 1st impression.
Gaming on linux can be done either via native games (a few are available, although few commercial blockbusters available tbh) or through a wrapper such as wine/crossover
list of supported apps is available on the Wine website
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Nefrin Maldoes
Minmatar
Outer Rim Survey and Salvage
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Posted - 2009.09.16 12:24:00 -
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I've been using Ubuntu for well over a year now (started with 8.04, now running 9.04) after Vista made me emorage quit Microsoft.
1) You've picked a good distro to start with for Linux. I've never had any complaints about it, but I also realize what it can and cannot do. I repeat for emphasis: realize what it can and cannot do.
You are (almost) never going to be able to buy the newest, shiniest game on the market and play it easily. It could take weeks or months for someone to figure out how to make it run, if ever, depending on the software. Moving beyond gaming though, I have not come across a situation where Ubuntu was unable to do something as well as (or better) than Windows for home PC use. Corporate proprietary software is a whole other issue.
2) Best way to learn it is to do it. I jumped in head first, made some mistakes, and then learned and moved on. If you are really serious about learning, spend some time on Google. Major cities (in the US at least) usually have a Linux Enthusiasts club of some type that will help with installs and lessons (Denver CO clubs also offer courses and testing on Linux certifications that I know of). The Ubuntu community forums are a vast wealth of information in a semi-timely manner, and there are a whole host of blogs about personal and specific user experiences that may or may not help.
EVE Specific:
I have a copy of 32bit XP SP3 installed on a small portion of my hard drive, for "emergency purposes" for college work. I know for a fact that EVE runs better under WINE in Ubuntu then under Windows performance wise (I run dual accounts under Ubuntu, each gets about 60-80FPS, versus a single account under Windows running 25FPS).
The only thing to watch out for is updated WINE distros that sometime have errors in them that cause crashes in EVE (1.24 comes to mind). In those rare events, you can simply remove the current version of WINE and install an older version until a new patch comes out to fix the issue.
TL;DR - Ubuntu Linux is great for normal household use, EVE and other games run great under WINE, spend time on the community forums doing some research
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Wolfie276
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Posted - 2009.09.16 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Wolfie276 on 16/09/2009 20:19:14
i actually play games at linux, i got a windows dual boot for dungeon keeper and directplay (for those games that DOES use DPLAY8 and it doesnt work in wine), but barely use it
wine is great, it runs almost any games, a few bugs here and there though, most games in my experience run BETTER with wine than on windows
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Miyamura Miyako
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Posted - 2009.09.16 21:08:00 -
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Hello and wellcome to the Linux land.
i'll try to put my "two cents" on the table too.
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1: Since i have never used Linux before, I wanted to know if it is a good idea to use it for gaming and maybe other things.
Well when it comes to gaming, lets face it - Linux is not the best choice, i mean it's not like you cannot run games at all, many commercial Windows game do run well via Wine (Wine is your best friend on this matter). But there also exist alot of titles that does not run at all or with variuos glitches. EVE and WOW tend to be one of those games that generally runs well. But really if you are a seriuos gamer, i think you would get an XBOX 360 anyway :)
As for the other stuff, Linux can do everything as good as Windows or offten better. I consider it a great system to have for a lot of variuos works, there is very little things you can't do.
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2: Also how would i start using Linux? What is the best way to learn it?
Well stick with Ubuntu, visit ubuntu forums, find some friends who use it too, or join the local club like other ppl here have allready stated. And do not be lasy to read ;)
Alternatively you can use Archlinux distro instead of ubuntu, it is slightly harder to install, but owerall it is alot more simple and have alot better learning curve than ubuntu. Some ppl say: "If you learn Ubuntu - you know Ubuntu, but if you learn Slackware - you know Linux"
Well Archlinux is generally very simmilar to good old slack, but has a very handy package manager system called "pacman" ;) and Archlinux forums and wiki has proven to be invaluable resources for many Linux newbies even if you won't use Arch, alot of information there can be applied to other distros aswell.
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Wolfie276
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Posted - 2009.09.16 21:29:00 -
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why would u recommend the xbox 360? the PS3 is twice as better..
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Miyamura Miyako
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Posted - 2009.09.16 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfie276
why would u recommend the xbox 360? the PS3 is twice as better..
Well PS3 is indeed very good console too. Which one to choose depends where you live actually :) You see where i live, games are way way too expensive, and ppl like Xbox, since it is quite a bit cheaper, you can hack it fairly easy and then it is possible to run pirated games, which you only need to download from internet :)
But when it comes to countries like US or UK, it is indeed wiser to go for PS3. Shops like Gamestation are there to make your games cheaper, so it is pointless to do any of the things above.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.09.17 21:27:00 -
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Giving people 20 minutes to answer is a bit - err - impatient. ;-)
Ubuntu is a good choice for desktop use. Big community that tends to be helpful.
8 GB is plenty for your Ubuntu installation and typical desktop apps - but will look awfully tight when you install games.
You need to install wine to get windows games runing. You can check on winehq.org to see how well the games you want to play are supported. Platinum and gold ratings mean no or almost no troubles.
Your graphics card plays a big role because you need 3D support for gaming. In the past the general rule of thumb was you're set if you have a NVidia card (the proprietary linux driver from NVidia usually works very well). With an ATI card it depends on the model and you can expect at least some difficulties. But that is currently changing. ATI (after being bought by AMD) has opened up and now is suppporting an official open source driver. But that's under construction and again depends very much on your GPU model. At current speed there might be good 3D support for most ATI cards by the end of the year. Sometime next year the rule of thumb might be the other way around and ATI is likely to be better than NVidia by then.
If state-of-the-art gaming is very important to you then windows will remain your primary choice for a while. Eventually most popular games run on Linux via wine - but you can't just grab a game from shelf and be sure it works. For the newest games it often takes months for wine hackers to catch up.
having said that - all the games I play do work on Linux+wine and I have been playing EVE for 3 years on Linux.
Regarding learning Linux: Well - most everyday stuff actually works pretty much the same. You select - for example - Firefox from enu or double-cclick desktop icon and then it's the same app and usage as on windows (well config is under edit instead of tools - but that's about it :-) ).
After you installed wineyou install windows apps as usual (double-click setup.exe). Most native Linux software you get from a (very, very :-) )big repository. After a while installing apps via setup.exe looks medieval compared to using a repo. All your linux software from repo gets automatically updated - not just os and office as on windows. Much better security too. And the clean lookss and consistency of the Gnome desktop
If you want coolness - Compiz effects make XP/Vista/W7 look boring and old-fashioned by comparison. Might be a matter of taste - but my more or less default gnome desktop (even without Compiz effects) looks way better to me than the Vista I have to use at work.
Drivers: Hit and miss. Nowadays a *lot* of hardware works out of the box. Some doesn't (DVB TV cards are often troublesome for example). Sometimes base features work well and right away - while extra feature details might not (printer ink levels). In my recent experience printer installation is *way* ahead on Linux. It's been a while since I had to do more than just plug in the USB cable or do a single click network search with another click for ok and it's done. While installing network printers (Lexmark, HP, brother) on windows always involved installing specific network ssupport software.
With Linux it's often all or nothing. Either the kernel knows your hardware - then you're set without doing a thing. Or it doesn't - then you have to wait for a new kernel that adds support for it. You almost never have to install anytthing to get hardware runing. There are exceptions. Since I switched I simply check all hardware before I buy it for Linux compatibility. Almost anything by Intel works - they are very good at supporting their hardware in mainline Linux kernel. Others don't bother and devs have to reverse-engineer everything - with varying success.
A few years ago wireless was a big problem - but now most work right away. Ethernet and USB are almost never a problem. Actually USB 2 and now 3 support was first in linux. Graphic cards usually work out-of-thebox in 2D mode.
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Debeus
Amarr
Princeps Corp
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.18 08:48:00 -
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If i were you, i would post these general questions in Ubuntuforums where it is a more likely place to get the answers you seek.
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Al Merrick
Why U Viloence Me
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.18 23:34:00 -
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to add to the space issue, the 8 gigs you left for it, you're going to need a partition for ur ubuntu installation, plus a swap partition. which should be about 1 gig, so now you have 7 gigs. then eve. how big is eve again? :P basicly i would recommend more space, if ur windows installation is new, try g-parted (google and get the live cd/usbdisk version) and boot up, and see if you can't resize a little, just don't get crazy or you run a big chance of breaking ur windows installation
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OrcephDrake
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Posted - 2009.09.21 23:36:00 -
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Well Finshraira. The best way to know is to experience. So go out there and download some random version of linux install it.. and have fun.
My two cents:
- There is not ONE distro that is better then all the others. I run OpenSuSE and CentOS as my to Linux distros. Others us Ubuntu or Fedora or mandrake or slackware or YOURMOMOS! What matters is you find one that you feel comfortable with.
- Anywho gaming in linux makes me feel even more nerdy then i already am. However I like to note that Windows does it better. If u a hudge gamer.. Linux is a nice operating system to browse the web.. download stuff.. and never have to worry about viruses or it stop working. However games.. keep a windows partition. I play CoD4, EvE, (Lots of Steam Games) and Company of Heroes in linux. But yeah.. for the most part say in windows for games. ^_^
GOOD LUCK!
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2009.09.22 13:18:00 -
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I like how he waited all of 20 minutes for an answer, complained, and has never come back.
That's troll material.
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