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Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:07:00 - [1] \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF 2008! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Nozirei Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:08:00 - [2] It's a shame to see Dystopia go down like that, impressive for Pandemic, but wow.
Commander Azrael Three Shades of Brown	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:09:00 - [3] Yeah, just epic
Elyseum	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:12:00 - [4] nothing impressive about that match it was thrown totally lame for PL to pay to get to the top
Cynthia Ysolde The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Elyseum nothing impressive about that match it was thrown totally lame for PL to pay to get to the top yes because tyrrax NEEDS OUR MONEY
Kaijusan Gallente Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Elyseum nothing impressive about that match it was thrown totally lame for PL to pay to get to the top Got proof? No? then stfu and go back to the basement and your hot pockets
S'ara	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:15:00 - [7] my guess: - dystopia had RDs on the haulers to go against bombers - PL used at least one lock breaking bomb and afterwards had ECM superiority due to dystopia losing locks
Faekurias Raptus Regalitor Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:15:00 - [8] Need has nothing to do with Greed. Just throwing it out there, other than that I think he just tried pulling a funny. -------------------------
Lofe sXe Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Elyseum totally lame for PL to pay to get to the top this
Elyseum	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Kaijusan Got proof? No? then stfu and go back to the basement and your hot pockets if you dont think three industrials is proof then no proof would ever satisfy you this talk about steamrolling a match where you took almost NO damage is surreal wake the f up
J Ryan Caldari Under Heavy Fire	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:18:00 - [11] Huh Dystopia 102 points?
Xiaodown Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Elyseum Originally by: Kaijusan Got proof? No? then stfu and go back to the basement and your hot pockets if you dont think three industrials is proof then no proof would ever satisfy you this talk about steamrolling a match where you took almost NO damage is surreal wake the f up Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value. We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc. We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup. --
Elyseum	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Xiaodown Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value. We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc. We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup. there is always a counter you even SOUND like you didnt try /proof supplied
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:25:00 - [14] Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 20/09/2009 18:25:36 Originally by: Xiaodown Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value. We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc. We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup. Being very spread out would help, since the bombs rely on you being bunched up at the start, it is however very hard to counter all the ECM combined with the massive DPS from those bombers once they start hitting something. Their ability to keep the bombers alive is the biggest issue.
Kaijusan Gallente Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Elyseum Originally by: Kaijusan Got proof? No? then stfu and go back to the basement and your hot pockets if you dont think three industrials is proof then no proof would ever satisfy you this talk about steamrolling a match where you took almost NO damage is surreal wake the f up Obviously you have ZERO experience with Industrials and their mid slots. Go back to the basement and your fritos and let the adults talk.
Xiaodown Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Meiyang Lee Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 20/09/2009 18:25:36 Originally by: Xiaodown Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value. We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc. We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup. Being very spread out would help, since the bombs rely on you being bunched up at the start, it is however very hard to counter all the ECM combined with the massive DPS from those bombers once they start hitting something. Their ability to keep the bombers alive is the biggest issue. The bombs only hit 2 ships. We had planned on using the curses to neut the rooks from the PL team. They got hit hard by the bombs and were finished off quickly. After that, pretty much everyone on our team was permajammed. The combination of jamming, damping, and target painting, combined with the huge damage from the torps against anything with a sig radius and the area affect damage of the bombs against anything small, not to mention any part of the rest of their fleet, is going to be incredibly hard to beat. Maybe a team full of T3 cruisers would be the best counter. Not sure. We had 3 hours to come up with a strategy against that; all the theorycrafters need to keep in mind that the first time anyone had seen that setup was 3 hours before we had to fight it. And no one else in the tournament is fielding that strat; PL have exclusive rights on it at this point. Originally by: Elyseum there is always a counter you even SOUND like you didnt try /proof supplied I'm glad you're upset about it. We aim to grief people, and if we couldn't do it to PL, it warms my heart that we could grief you. How much money did you lose? --
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:42:00 - [17] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 20/09/2009 18:45:15 An industrial only costs 3 points, and their support makes a huge difference :I Plus it's funny! Anyways i had about 2 hours to come up with a setup to fight PL with, that's what i tried, didn't work, maybe if i'd done different setups on the curses shrug don't really think i'm capable of coming up with a counter to their setup tho, i couldn't come up with one i liked vs their setup last tourney either ;P i was basically thinking we'd have one curse neut their bombers (while rapier with 4 webs kept them from getting close enough to bomb us), other curse would go disable both rooks with 5 neuts on one, then the other, then splitting them and leaving on both. our rooks were supposed to jam their bombers and hopefully scimitar so we could kill the bombers unfortunately so our curses could stop their rooks jamming fast i put mwds on them, and not enough buffer, so they got owned (not well thought out enough) each curse had 156 sensor strength btw rapier, damnation and guardian were supposed to be pretty hard to jam unless they jammed/killed the indies. (if rooks don't have abs then maybe plated ab cursees coulda got them?) but i'm sure they had abs + claymore bonus = curses can't catch.. guardian fed cap to the guardian which had a local tank (+ some drones from rapier) figured they'd try to kill curses/rooks first, and they did. GF PL, least we lost to the best team Edit; lol just realized we fielded 102 points and nobody noticed ;P
Elyseum	Posted - 2009.09.20 18:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Kaijusan Obviously you have ZERO experience with Industrials and their mid slots. Go back to the basement and your fritos and let the adults talk. you are seriously upset about something and seem to have lost your cool with the personal attacks. its amazing that you are arguing FOR the industrials after that match. the proof is in front of your face and yet you still cling to some fantasy that having industrials in your lineup is useful. a cormorant would have provided some damage and a few mids to work with. please come back with yet another non-argument about how useful industrials are in pvp and the tournament. you are doing a splendid job so far.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Xiaodown Originally by: Meiyang Lee Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 20/09/2009 18:25:36 Originally by: Xiaodown Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value. We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc. We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup. Being very spread out would help, since the bombs rely on you being bunched up at the start, it is however very hard to counter all the ECM combined with the massive DPS from those bombers once they start hitting something. Their ability to keep the bombers alive is the biggest issue. The bombs only hit 2 ships. We had planned on using the curses to neut the rooks from the PL team. They got hit hard by the bombs and were finished off quickly. After that, pretty much everyone on our team was permajammed. The combination of jamming, damping, and target painting, combined with the huge damage from the torps against anything with a sig radius and the area affect damage of the bombs against anything small, not to mention any part of the rest of their fleet, is going to be incredibly hard to beat. Maybe a team full of T3 cruisers would be the best counter. Not sure. We had 3 hours to come up with a strategy against that; all the theorycrafters need to keep in mind that the first time anyone had seen that setup was 3 hours before we had to fight it. And no one else in the tournament is fielding that strat; PL have exclusive rights on it at this point. They fielded it yesterday too, but I see your point, there wasn't all that much time to devise a counter, let alone test anything. Once the Curses went down you lost both a lot of DPS and the ability to shut down ships that were being a pain, effectively crippling your entire setup from the get-go. I'd love someone coming up with an effective counter, bombs may be awesome to see put to good use, but it gets boring if they literally slaughter everything they run into.
Apostrophe Man	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:06:00 - [20] Originally by: Meiyang Lee Originally by: Xiaodown Originally by: Meiyang Lee Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 20/09/2009 18:25:36 Originally by: Xiaodown Industrials have more midslots than any other ship available for the point value. We are using them to remote sensor boost / remote eccm boost the ships. PL brings damps, jams, etc. We did not throw the match; there is effectively no counter to that setup. Being very spread out would help, since the bombs rely on you being bunched up at the start, it is however very hard to counter all the ECM combined with the massive DPS from those bombers once they start hitting something. Their ability to keep the bombers alive is the biggest issue. The bombs only hit 2 ships. We had planned on using the curses to neut the rooks from the PL team. They got hit hard by the bombs and were finished off quickly. After that, pretty much everyone on our team was permajammed. The combination of jamming, damping, and target painting, combined with the huge damage from the torps against anything with a sig radius and the area affect damage of the bombs against anything small, not to mention any part of the rest of their fleet, is going to be incredibly hard to beat. Maybe a team full of T3 cruisers would be the best counter. Not sure. We had 3 hours to come up with a strategy against that; all the theorycrafters need to keep in mind that the first time anyone had seen that setup was 3 hours before we had to fight it. And no one else in the tournament is fielding that strat; PL have exclusive rights on it at this point. They fielded it yesterday too, but I see your point, there wasn't all that much time to devise a counter, let alone test anything. Once the Curses went down you lost both a lot of DPS and the ability to shut down ships that were being a pain, effectively crippling your entire setup from the get-go. I'd love someone coming up with an effective counter, bombs may be awesome to see put to good use, but it gets boring if they literally slaughter everything they run into. Here's my vote for a counter: 2 damnation 2 sacrilege 2 vengence 1 logistics 1 abaddon ECCM / sensor boosters in the mids, armor tanked, and everyone who can fit missiles fits Assault missile launchers and standard missiles. Hopefully take out the bombers, and then go to work on the rest of the stuff. Still, without the bombers, there's another 5 ships to get through, including a T3 and a logistics.
Shai 'Hulud Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:09:00 - [21] I wonder how many extra industrials would be required to actually raise an issue with the rules guys? Perhaps we should have just added 3 more?? Their impact on the points rules must be taken into account when attempting to assign a value to these deceptively valuable ships
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:10:00 - [22] Wouldn't work, scimitar would keep the bombers alive vs that with no problems, and bombers do a lot of DPS vs stuff with big sigs like you're fielding..
Jed Dye	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:10:00 - [23] PL will do it
Kaijusan Gallente Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:11:00 - [24] Edited by: Kaijusan on 20/09/2009 19:14:43 Originally by: Elyseum Originally by: Kaijusan Obviously you have ZERO experience with Industrials and their mid slots. Go back to the basement and your fritos and let the adults talk. you are seriously upset about something and seem to have lost your cool with the personal attacks. its amazing that you are arguing FOR the industrials after that match. the proof is in front of your face and yet you still cling to some fantasy that having industrials in your lineup is useful. a cormorant would have provided some damage and a few mids to work with. please come back with yet another non-argument about how useful industrials are in pvp and the tournament. you are doing a splendid job so far. And AGAIN you provide no proof to your accusation. Burden of proof falls on the accuser, yet you provide none other than your opinion, which wouldnt be admissable in a court of law....which I am sure you will be facing someday on some sort of abuse of small animals charge.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:16:00 - [25] Drop a bomb or two on their bombers? You should be able to put down the 5 bombers with 2 of your own, no? -------- Ideas for: Mining
Elyseum	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Kaijusan And AGAIN you provide no proof to your accusation. Burden of proof falls on the accuser, yet you provide none other than your opinion, which wouldnt be admissable in a court of law....which I am sure you will be facing someday on some sort of abuse of small animals charge. from fritos to animal abuse ? are you begging for a ban for personal attacks ? as for proof, like i said, its in front of your face. you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him dri^H^H^H think.
K Shara Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:24:00 - [27] so my bluff about using amarr didn't work then tyrrax in irc with zola in channel? :(
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:32:00 - [28] ZOLA was afk at a wedding today ;O so fraid not
Kaijusan Gallente Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Elyseum Originally by: Kaijusan And AGAIN you provide no proof to your accusation. Burden of proof falls on the accuser, yet you provide none other than your opinion, which wouldnt be admissable in a court of law....which I am sure you will be facing someday on some sort of abuse of small animals charge. from fritos to animal abuse ? are you begging for a ban for personal attacks ? as for proof, like i said, its in front of your face. you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him dri^H^H^H think. Your personal opinion is not admissable as proof. Post solid evidence (logs etc etc) other than your crazed jealous rantings.
Elyseum	Posted - 2009.09.20 19:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Kaijusan Your personal opinion is not admissable as proof. Post solid evidence (logs etc etc) other than your crazed jealous rantings. so now dystopia losing without so much as scratching PL's paint is opinion the only thing you have going for you is posting stamina

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