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Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.10.24 01:23:00 - [31] Originally by: Squirrel you can easily kill any npc battleship with 14 heavy drones, as long as you get them all to lock and fire on you before you release the drones, you'll be fine Actually, not quite. Having em all target you helps alot, but if you are not within reasonable range they tend to retarget your drones and kill them pretty damn fast. And seeing 15 ogres against one BS...will take some time I'm afraid. I think using a deimos would end up the better bet tbh. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.10.24 01:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Squirrel you can easily kill any npc battleship with 14 heavy drones, as long as you get them all to lock and fire on you before you release the drones, you'll be fine Actually, not quite. Having em all target you helps alot, but if you are not within reasonable range they tend to retarget your drones and kill them pretty damn fast. And seeing 15 ogres against one BS...will take some time I'm afraid. I think using a deimos would end up the better bet tbh. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Squirrel	Posted - 2004.10.24 04:06:00 - [33] i love illiterate people...how about u re-read what i wrote k? Quote: you can easily kill any npc battleship with 14 heavy drones, as long as you get them all to lock and fire on you before you release the drones, you'll be fine notice the FIRE part? if they FIRE on you they WONT retarget..but thx for comming out _______________________________________________ Carfax > guys, please dont pvp here, it messes up the avoid pd kill zones autopilot option
Squirrel	Posted - 2004.10.24 04:06:00 - [34] i love illiterate people...how about u re-read what i wrote k? Quote: you can easily kill any npc battleship with 14 heavy drones, as long as you get them all to lock and fire on you before you release the drones, you'll be fine notice the FIRE part? if they FIRE on you they WONT retarget..but thx for comming out _______________________________________________ Carfax > guys, please dont pvp here, it messes up the avoid pd kill zones autopilot option
NTRabbit	Posted - 2004.10.24 04:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Squirrel i love illiterate people...how about u re-read what i wrote k? Quote: you can easily kill any npc battleship with 14 heavy drones, as long as you get them all to lock and fire on you before you release the drones, you'll be fine notice the FIRE part? if they FIRE on you they WONT retarget..but thx for comming out Actually, yes they will - happens to me all the time. -------- #eve-online irc.stratics.com - Former official IRC channel (Legacy) #eve-online irc.coldfront.net - Official Unofficial IRC channel WE R 4TW!
NTRabbit	Posted - 2004.10.24 04:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Squirrel i love illiterate people...how about u re-read what i wrote k? Quote: you can easily kill any npc battleship with 14 heavy drones, as long as you get them all to lock and fire on you before you release the drones, you'll be fine notice the FIRE part? if they FIRE on you they WONT retarget..but thx for comming out Actually, yes they will - happens to me all the time. -------- #eve-online irc.stratics.com - Former official IRC channel (Legacy) #eve-online irc.coldfront.net - Official Unofficial IRC channel WE R 4TW!
Tripp Orsam	Posted - 2004.10.24 07:23:00 - [37] Originally by: Squirrel i love illiterate people...how about u re-read what i wrote k? Quote: you can easily kill any npc battleship with 14 heavy drones, as long as you get them all to lock and fire on you before you release the drones, you'll be fine notice the FIRE part? if they FIRE on you they WONT retarget..but thx for comming out I think the point that Marcus is trying to make is that if you move out of an NPCs optimal range or out of its firing range all together then it WILL switch targets to your drones (even if the NPC has already targeted you and fired upon you), thats why you cant really use drones with a railgun setup unless you are fighting NPCs that also deal long range damage. ----------------------------- EVE Online perfectly strikes all your free time wrecking your 1994 marriage.
Tripp Orsam	Posted - 2004.10.24 07:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Squirrel i love illiterate people...how about u re-read what i wrote k? Quote: you can easily kill any npc battleship with 14 heavy drones, as long as you get them all to lock and fire on you before you release the drones, you'll be fine notice the FIRE part? if they FIRE on you they WONT retarget..but thx for comming out I think the point that Marcus is trying to make is that if you move out of an NPCs optimal range or out of its firing range all together then it WILL switch targets to your drones (even if the NPC has already targeted you and fired upon you), thats why you cant really use drones with a railgun setup unless you are fighting NPCs that also deal long range damage. ----------------------------- EVE Online perfectly strikes all your free time wrecking your 1994 marriage.
F4ze	Posted - 2004.10.24 08:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Squirrel i love illiterate people...how about u re-read what i wrote k? Quote: you can easily kill any npc battleship with 14 heavy drones, as long as you get them all to lock and fire on you before you release the drones, you'll be fine notice the FIRE part? if they FIRE on you they WONT retarget..but thx for comming out Actually, I've seen npc's retarget and attack my drones when I was well withing their optimal range and being fired at.
F4ze	Posted - 2004.10.24 08:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Squirrel i love illiterate people...how about u re-read what i wrote k? Quote: you can easily kill any npc battleship with 14 heavy drones, as long as you get them all to lock and fire on you before you release the drones, you'll be fine notice the FIRE part? if they FIRE on you they WONT retarget..but thx for comming out Actually, I've seen npc's retarget and attack my drones when I was well withing their optimal range and being fired at.
Kerr AVON	Posted - 2004.10.24 09:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Marcus Aurelius Actually, not quite. Having em all target you helps alot, but if you are not within reasonable range they tend to retarget your drones and kill them pretty damn fast. And seeing 15 ogres against one BS...will take some time I'm afraid. I think using a deimos would end up the better bet tbh. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In that case, would the firepower of a Deimos be too gimped with the majority of the low slots used in an armour tank? In my plan there would only be one low slot left for grid enhancement / damage mod. Might be tricky to fit enough suitably damaging guns in the high slots? _____________________ Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself Combat Your 250mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Blood Arch Engraver, wrecking for 737.7 damage.
Kerr AVON	Posted - 2004.10.24 09:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Marcus Aurelius Actually, not quite. Having em all target you helps alot, but if you are not within reasonable range they tend to retarget your drones and kill them pretty damn fast. And seeing 15 ogres against one BS...will take some time I'm afraid. I think using a deimos would end up the better bet tbh. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In that case, would the firepower of a Deimos be too gimped with the majority of the low slots used in an armour tank? In my plan there would only be one low slot left for grid enhancement / damage mod. Might be tricky to fit enough suitably damaging guns in the high slots? _____________________ Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself Combat Your 250mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Blood Arch Engraver, wrecking for 737.7 damage.
Kardim	Posted - 2004.10.24 13:26:00 - [43] Ishtar IMO is a great npc ship, almost ready to fly one meself. i use the domi all the time for npc'ing 13-14 drones takes out 2 bs's fairly well i usually lose 1-2 drones per belt tho, thats while trying to stay within reasonable range also. i usually fill my domi w/ hardners and a rep only in low so the ishtar is way ahead of her there while being able to pump out the same amt of drones, so she will rock npc's imo. honestly i think this will be one of the best pvp ships also. anyways good luck.
Kardim	Posted - 2004.10.24 13:26:00 - [44] Ishtar IMO is a great npc ship, almost ready to fly one meself. i use the domi all the time for npc'ing 13-14 drones takes out 2 bs's fairly well i usually lose 1-2 drones per belt tho, thats while trying to stay within reasonable range also. i usually fill my domi w/ hardners and a rep only in low so the ishtar is way ahead of her there while being able to pump out the same amt of drones, so she will rock npc's imo. honestly i think this will be one of the best pvp ships also. anyways good luck.
Kerr AVON	Posted - 2004.10.24 18:59:00 - [45] Cheers Kardim. Should have the skills pretty soon, and there's a local supplier a few jumps from my base of operations... hopefully I'll only need to contact him once _____________________ Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself Combat Your 250mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Blood Arch Engraver, wrecking for 737.7 damage.
Kerr AVON	Posted - 2004.10.24 18:59:00 - [46] Cheers Kardim. Should have the skills pretty soon, and there's a local supplier a few jumps from my base of operations... hopefully I'll only need to contact him once _____________________ Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself Combat Your 250mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Blood Arch Engraver, wrecking for 737.7 damage.
Bubs	Posted - 2004.10.27 15:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Kerr AVON Still training up for Heavy Assault Cruisers, and was considering an extreme armour tanking Ishtar. As it already has high resistances vs. Serpentis damage (kinetic and thermal), it seems that with the best mods this ship could be (almost) immune to their attacks. This post is really to see if experienced npc battling pilots feel the horde of heavy drones could really be a match for npc battleships (seeing as I've only fought against one (Zor) and got wiped pretty fast - as expected in a rusty old Thorax ). Low slots Medium Armour Repairer II and 2x kinetic and 2x thermal hardeners (the 64% Commander ones) or Medium Armour Repairer II and 4x Energised Adaptive Nano (the 30.3% Commander ones) Medium slots Microwarp Drive, Webifier, perhaps 3x Cap Rechargers High slots 2x Medium Nosferatu, 3x small lasers (for EM damage on their non-boosting shields) Dronebay 20x Ogres, or mixture of Praetors/Ogres The hardener setup would have 97.9% kinetic and 95.8% thermal resistances The Adaptive Nano setup would have 96.2% kinetic and 92.3% thermal resistances It could sit there all day long tanking (assuming a CTD didn't ruin your day), but I'm unsure if it could really do enough damage to take down battleships. Any thoughts? How do you get 20 ogres on board in this setup when the ship only has a base 250m3 cargo bay. with assualt frig 5 thats 500m3. Are ogres not 250m3 each? Or am i missing something out?
Bubs	Posted - 2004.10.27 15:55:00 - [48] Originally by: Kerr AVON Still training up for Heavy Assault Cruisers, and was considering an extreme armour tanking Ishtar. As it already has high resistances vs. Serpentis damage (kinetic and thermal), it seems that with the best mods this ship could be (almost) immune to their attacks. This post is really to see if experienced npc battling pilots feel the horde of heavy drones could really be a match for npc battleships (seeing as I've only fought against one (Zor) and got wiped pretty fast - as expected in a rusty old Thorax ). Low slots Medium Armour Repairer II and 2x kinetic and 2x thermal hardeners (the 64% Commander ones) or Medium Armour Repairer II and 4x Energised Adaptive Nano (the 30.3% Commander ones) Medium slots Microwarp Drive, Webifier, perhaps 3x Cap Rechargers High slots 2x Medium Nosferatu, 3x small lasers (for EM damage on their non-boosting shields) Dronebay 20x Ogres, or mixture of Praetors/Ogres The hardener setup would have 97.9% kinetic and 95.8% thermal resistances The Adaptive Nano setup would have 96.2% kinetic and 92.3% thermal resistances It could sit there all day long tanking (assuming a CTD didn't ruin your day), but I'm unsure if it could really do enough damage to take down battleships. Any thoughts? How do you get 20 ogres on board in this setup when the ship only has a base 250m3 cargo bay. with assualt frig 5 thats 500m3. Are ogres not 250m3 each? Or am i missing something out?
Garramon	Posted - 2004.10.27 16:06:00 - [49] Yes, Ishtar, not Ishkur...... ------------------------------------------------
Garramon	Posted - 2004.10.27 16:06:00 - [50] Yes, Ishtar, not Ishkur...... ------------------------------------------------

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