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Fantasia Freelance	Posted - 2009.09.22 16:39:00 - [1] I just ran across a reasonable fellow who insists he gets "just shy of 3k isk per LP". I ran some calculations on various items and the absolute best I can find is less than 1400 isk per LP, and here it is. Caldari Drone Specialization costs 3k LPs. It sells for about 4.1M in Jita. 4.1M ISK / 3k LP = 1367 ISK/LP. So I don't see how anyone is doubling that. What's a realistic goal for cashing in my LPs? Thanks! See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million like a full set of +3 Basic implants! WTB Scourge missiles and +3 Basic implants in hi sec.
Minmataraeneidae	Posted - 2009.09.22 16:52:00 - [2] I sell my LP's with about 1500-2000 isk/LP, as a matter of fact, quite consistantly. I don't sell to buy orders and i usually have to wait a few days for the item to sell. Jita is not the answer. Maybe because someone can sell Caldari Drone Specialization in a remote region for 9M a pop, earning 3000isk/LP. That's what i'd do. :)
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.09.22 17:04:00 - [3] Edited by: Akita T on 22/09/2009 17:04:42 Originally by: Fantasia Freelance I just ran across a reasonable fellow who insists he gets "just shy of 3k isk per LP". I ran some calculations on various items and the absolute best I can find is less than 1400 isk per LP (Caldari Drone Specialization) So I don't see how anyone is doubling that. What's a realistic goal for cashing in my LPs? Thanks! Have you looked at 5-run-BPC-manufactured, contract-only items too ? 1000 ISK per LP is the absolute minimum I would be willing to convert at in a pinch, 1500 ISK/LP is about what I'd usually expect. With a bit of patience (and/or working for the "right" race/corp) 3000 ISK/LP doesn't sound impossible either (although I'd bet the volume isn't too high for that conversion rate, or there's some other catch). _ Info about our corp \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Fantasia Freelance	Posted - 2009.09.22 17:13:00 - [4] So what I'm gathering is that the value of LPs is probably around 1k ISK / 1 LP, but if you work extra and wait for the right buyer, then you can get 1.5-3x that amount for LPs. Similarly, you could take a $10,000 car, tune it, add some flashy ornaments, repaint it, add after-market mods and turn it into a $30,000 car. So I'm wondering if it's worth your time to sell for 1500-3k ISK / LP by hauling something to a "remote region" when you could be running another mission instead. See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million like a full set of +3 Basic implants! WTB Scourge missiles and +3 Basic implants in hi sec.
Clairmont Daken	Posted - 2009.09.22 17:23:00 - [5] I recently made 3k ISK per LP. Someone had just tried to corner the market on starbase charters in that region. He bought all the starbase charters in the region and was the only one selling any. His price was 4 times the usual price. I spent LP to buy charters and sold them for 3.5x the usual price, and they sold very quickly giving me 3000 isk per LP. That opportunity was gone the next day. So sometimes, the key is just paying attention to the market and taking advantage when opportunity knocks.
Fantasia Freelance	Posted - 2009.09.22 17:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Akita T Have you looked at 5-run-BPC-manufactured, contract-only items too ? Yes. For example, a Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher 5-run BPC (in Jita prices): Expenses: 90k LP 36M ISK 7 Gallente Navy Fleet Major Insignia I (about 113k ea) 33 Gallente Navy Fleet Colonel Insignia I (about 800k ea) 49 Gallente Navy Fleet Colonel Insignia II (about 815k ea) ...totaling over 103M isk. ...Plus another dozen million in materials to create the CN CMLs x 5. Revenue: Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launchers sell for about 50M isk ea. 50M x 5 = 250M So our return (not even considering the cost of materials to produce) is going to be (250M - 103M ISK) / 90k LP = 1632 ISK / LP--a far cry from 3k ISK / 1 LP. See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million like a full set of +3 Basic implants! WTB Scourge missiles and +3 Basic implants in hi sec.
Julian Koll	Posted - 2009.09.22 17:35:00 - [7] i'm averaging on about 4k / LP, and no, i am so not going to tell you where this is achieved. For a slightly lower conversion rate, as said, 5 run copies are the way to go. And a Pro Tip here: there are others than the usual faction navies are offering.
Fantasia Freelance	Posted - 2009.09.22 18:02:00 - [8] ^^^ Thanks for the tip! Originally by: Julian Koll i'm averaging on about 4k / LP, and no, i am so not going to tell you where this is achieved. Would you mind disclosing whether you have to work for that 4k / ISP? I mean, do you buy it from the LP Store and immediately put it on Market or Contract it, or do you have to transport it, find buyers in Local, etc.? Thanks again! See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million like a full set of +3 Basic implants! WTB Scourge missiles and +3 Basic implants in hi sec.
Julian Koll	Posted - 2009.09.22 18:15:00 - [9] Edited by: Julian Koll on 22/09/2009 18:18:25 since i am part time offering a service similar to what ender offered, i am selling / building a lot of faction stuff anyways, so i am not considering it work, at least not a lot. But it is definately not like i'm selling directly to a buyorder oh, and ofc there are some production skills involved. nothing that needs a lot of training, but you have to have them first
Fantasia Freelance	Posted - 2009.09.22 19:16:00 - [10] Gotcha. Thanks! See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million like a full set of +3 Basic implants! WTB Scourge missiles and +3 Basic implants in hi sec.

Marzaris Onbarny	Posted - 2009.09.22 23:43:00 - [11] dont forget the higer implants, some corps have the minign or other rare implants it takes a bit more lp but the payout is far greater than burning through alot of skill books etc
Xetal Maelstrom	Posted - 2009.09.23 02:18:00 - [12] It depends a lot on the faction. The highest I've been able to get is about 4000 per LP (for one specific faction) Most factions it seems like 2000 per LP is more normal
Fantasia Freelance	Posted - 2009.09.23 03:47:00 - [13] How?? I'm trying to understand. I keep seeing people say they're getting 2-4k ISK / LP. Can anyone provide a single example of how to even get 1500 ISK / LP? I'm not asking you to give up your best kept secret, but if you're one of the ones saying you get 4k/LP, then hopefully you wouldn't mind demonstrating something for less than half that. See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million like a full set of +3 Basic implants! WTB Scourge missiles and +3 Basic implants in hi sec.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.09.23 05:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Fantasia Freelance Can anyone provide a single example of how to even get 1500 ISK / LP? You made the calcs yourself for a 1600+ ISK/LP item a bit higher up _ Info about our corp \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
M Blanc	Posted - 2009.09.23 06:19:00 - [15] One item that's been mentioned around here is Amarr Navy EANMs. The 5-run BPC requires 27k LP and 10.8m isk, as well as 104m worth of tags (going by eve-central's average selling price; obviously, you can buy them more cheaply if you're smart) plus a nominal quantity of minerals. Each unit sells for around 45m, so you get 225m revenue, less 115m expenses to give 110m/27k = 4.07k isk/lp.
Xetal Maelstrom	Posted - 2009.09.23 06:24:00 - [16] 1.) Look at various Implants, both bonus implants and attribute ones. 2.) Look at the blueprints. Figure out what it takes to make the items and what profit you could get from them. 3.) Look at what commonly used PvE and PvP items you can purchase from that LP store.
Fantasia Freelance	Posted - 2009.09.23 07:57:00 - [17] Edited by: Fantasia Freelance on 23/09/2009 08:02:49 Thanks M Blanc! I'll check it out later. Xetal, the point of this thread is that I have looked at many specific examples including the ones you mentioned, and I can find no case that even breaks 1500 ISK / LP. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just asking for 1 example (which M Blanc gave) since many people are claiming 2-4k ISK / LP. Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Fantasia Freelance Can anyone provide a single example of how to even get 1500 ISK / LP? You made the calcs yourself for a 1600+ ISK/LP item a bit higher up Originally by: Fantasia Freelance So our return (not even considering the cost of materials to produce) is going to be (250M - 103M ISK) / 90k LP = 1632 ISK / LP. When you factor in the costs of parts, minerals, etc. it's going to far less than 1632. See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million like a full set of +3 Basic implants! WTB Scourge missiles and +3 Basic implants in hi sec.
Rage Trade	Posted - 2009.09.23 08:12:00 - [18] Don't know much about LP conversion but try to look at pirate corporation items, like slave implantes, Nighmares etc etc.
Exitar Stormscion	Posted - 2009.09.23 08:48:00 - [19] I sell at around 2700 per lp. Mortal in body Eternal in will.
Tig	Posted - 2009.09.23 12:16:00 - [20] Fantasia, many people have eluded to one point and I think you have missed it. Look at who you are running missions for, look at the number of people that run missions for same group. Caldari drone spec and 5 run Caldari cruise missile launchers, let me guess you are running missions for a Caldari military corp? Guess what so are a great number of other people. There are 3 different LP stores for each of the 4 player factions. If you limit your options then you will limit your potential return. It looks like you may have done all the math for that LP store, and 1400 isk per LP may be the best low effort conversion. But if you take those same books on a round robin tour of eve can you get a better return? I do not think the guy offering 4.1 mil per book is selling them in Jita. If you want easy low effort isk without changing what who you are working for then be happy with what you get. If you want more think outside the box, who else can I work for what other option are there. The flip side of the LP/isk issue is agents and LP/MH (mission hour). Caldari military is a good LP/MH base. They have a high number of high quality kill agents in 0.5-0.6 systems but a lower lp/isk conversion lp store. The R@D lp stores have fewer agents and most of them are not kill agents but there are workable options, less LP/MH hour but a higher lp/isk conversion. A example is Carthum Conglomerate using the R@D LP store, 0.6 system q18 admin agent. Less LP/MH but a better isk/lp pay out. Another of lower lp/MH but higher LP/isk is SOE. Their best agent in high sec is in a o.9 system and the agent also gives a fair number of courier missions. LP/MH is lower but the lp/isk ratio is much higher. For me and using a alt to sell I can make more thinking outside the box than just running missions and getting 1300-1400 isk/lp. And all that said we do not even start to get into the salvage and loot aspect of mission running or rat type and how that can factor into over all "best" place to earn isk while running missions.

Leana Darkrider Minmatar Creatio -ex- nihilo The Donkey Rollers	Posted - 2009.09.23 14:19:00 - [21] I have bought a bunch of lp's from mission runners. And usually it comes down to 2600 isk per lp what I'm offering. but you have to calculate which items are worth cashing in. skillbooks aren't just worth it. Modules can give a nice profit. But implants and faction ammo are the profitmakers imo. ______________________________________ If only EVE could cook, if only....
Groamer	Posted - 2009.09.23 19:01:00 - [22] Thukker mix, nomad implant. And here I thought this was common sense... The lowest sell order in Jita now was 1.6bill. Cost of implant is 214mill, 6mill imp, 321k LP. Which according to my calculations would be 4313isk/LP(give or take). There you have it. Does this mean you should grind thukker mix and start sell nomad implants? Obviously not. And why do I have a feeling you just checked the caldari navy/corp p-force LP store? Running missions for factions that everyone else is running for obviously give less isk/LP. LP/ISK is determined by how hard it is to obtain the LP. Its like everything else in a market, less availability higher price.
Hashimoto Hoshiko Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.23 22:18:00 - [23] I get 3,000 ISK per LP, in Jita. There is a way to do it, but you're not looking in the right direction. Hint: I don't buy a thing from the LP Store and then right-click sell.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.09.24 01:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Fantasia Freelance Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Fantasia Freelance Can anyone provide a single example of how to even get 1500 ISK / LP? You made the calcs yourself for a 1600+ ISK/LP item a bit higher up Originally by: Fantasia Freelance So our return (not even considering the cost of materials to produce) is going to be (250M - 103M ISK) / 90k LP = 1632 ISK / LP. When you factor in the costs of parts, minerals, etc. it's going to far less than 1632. Look at the cost of parts and minerals. It's negligible. You're still going to end up far above 1500. _ Info about our corp \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Fantasia Freelance	Posted - 2009.09.25 21:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Fantasia Freelance Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Fantasia Freelance Can anyone provide a single example of how to even get 1500 ISK / LP? You made the calcs yourself for a 1600+ ISK/LP item a bit higher up Originally by: Fantasia Freelance So our return (not even considering the cost of materials to produce) is going to be (250M - 103M ISK) / 90k LP = 1632 ISK / LP. When you factor in the costs of parts, minerals, etc. it's going to far less than 1632. Look at the cost of parts and minerals. It's negligible. You're still going to end up far above 1500. With perfect production a return of about 1518 ISK/LP for this BPC is possible. Thanks to those who provided concrete examples! See my in-game Contracts starting at 1 million like a full set of +3 Basic implants! WTB Scourge missiles and +3 Basic implants in hi sec.
Alberico DeSandre	Posted - 2009.09.28 20:19:00 - [26] I was kind of in the same boat and whipped up a spreadsheet. It took about 2 hours but the results were well worth it. The best deals I found from the caldari NAVY stores were implants. They sell frequently and don't require any tags. They're not a niche item; they're a steady seller. You can move a lot of LP that way if you want in fairly short time. I did NOT check every item. I skimmed the list and selected popular modules etc, things that could move a lot of LP. What good is a 3000isk/lp item if the market barely moves that item? Basically it lets you come to the forums and claim you get 3000isk/lp. Like others have said, every faction has THREE LP stores. I don't really know the actual category names but they can be split into Exploration, Non-Combat, and Combat. Combat are your navy and police stores, the common ones that everyone works for. Exploration is like Sisters of Eve, they sell probe stuff and implants that fetch GREAT isk LP. Then there are the non-combat corps that have similar offerings with a few unique blueprint/ship exceptions. These exceptions are usually where the better isk/lp are. 5 run Blueprints of popular modules are the first place to start looking if you want to build a spreadsheet. Find something with a good ratio, then find the right corp. It's well worth the grind as long as they have a decent agent at level4.
Kerfira	Posted - 2009.09.28 20:38:00 - [27] Hint: The corps with the best agents will NOT have the best LP offers! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.09.29 00:33:00 - [28] Edited by: Qui Shon on 29/09/2009 00:34:25 Originally by: Akita T Look at the cost of parts and minerals. It's negligible. You're still going to end up far above 1500. YOU look at the costs Akita, they're NOT negligeable. It's not going to end above 1500, at 50mil/unit. And don't forget tax/fees on your contracts or other transactions either. Oh, for the record, anyone who has offered up any specific information at all in this thread, or any like it, deserves to be podded repeatedly. Starting with the OP.
HawkBlade	Posted - 2009.09.29 00:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Qui Shon Oh, for the record, anyone who has offered up any specific information at all in this thread, or any like it, deserves to be podded repeatedly. Starting with the OP. Lol, agreed but you can't teach people smarts. You can only hope they develop it after the first couple of times of shooting themselves in the foot. See my twitterings about Eve Online. Be the first to hear me toot.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.04 20:19:00 - [30] Having recently gotten out of the CN launcher peddling business and back into w-space, when I first saw this thread I was relieved that it didn't come a few weeks earlier. As expected, CN Cruise Launchers have taken a hit of about 5-8mil / unit on the lowest sell prices, with volume up on contracts, if not doubling, at least increasing heavily. I'm confident prices will continue to dive a fair deal more, perhaps not to rise again. One has to wonder, if the OP intended for this to happen, or if she really was an elephant in a china store. If the latter, I feel a rolleyes smiley isn't sufficient here. Would need a really big one.



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