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Graic
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Posted - 2009.09.23 07:19:00 -
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Regular freight transit voyages - I'm after people's opinion if it is a viable concept?
I've often thought about this and wondered if there were corporations involved in providing a regular shipping service between trade hubs and how they make it work?
Publishing schedules would be tough with the obvious dangers of piracy etc. but would the good people of MD reckon that a reliable service between major hubs be worth a go?
Thanks in advance for any constructive opinions.
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Sajaki Kando
Gallente
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.23 08:15:00 -
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Courier contracts do this already (in highsec). Now if only they didn't have that pesky 120k m3 limit...
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Cista2
Jita Direct Sale
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Posted - 2009.09.23 08:44:00 -
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I think it is a wonderful idea with regular shipping traffic. I applaud someone that tries to introduce something new and uncharted (that's my own philosophy as well). I think once you get established people will pick you rather than look for an arbitrary courier.
Re: gankers, you would have to have a scout checking the gates before you, and change your route if a gang is waiting for you. You can learn to overcome that.
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Steel Wraith
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Posted - 2009.09.23 08:59:00 -
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I believe there may an organization that does this already. Look into a group called "Red Frog" or something along those lines.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2009.09.23 11:13:00 -
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Whilst Red Frog seem like a great, highly professional organisation, unfortunately they do not offer regular runs. They do have a reputation as being pretty fast but they will not guarantee that shipments will leave and arrive at given times.
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Dismantler
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Posted - 2009.09.23 19:27:00 -
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Very good idea dude.
I have a freighter, which stays unused 70-80% of the time. Might give you a hand if you start something.
Best regards,
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Elric VonBeck
The Rising Stars Academy
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Posted - 2009.09.29 04:03:00 -
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I was planning on posting something similar to this. While I am nowhere near close to flying a freighter, I wanted to see if it was even a viable concept. I'm glad to see it has potential. Good luck with your endeavor!
If you're looking for an entry level (read: noob) employee look me up 
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Melodee619
Skyforger
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.29 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Melodee619 on 29/09/2009 15:43:02
Edited by: Melodee619 on 29/09/2009 15:42:32
Red Frog Investments is probabley the best in high sec delivery. Contracts are usually picked up within less then an hour, and delivery is done usually within less then 24 hours.
They do not have a specific routes, its point A to point B of courier contract.
To contact RF Freight and or link: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=763167
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Covert Kitty
Amarr
ISK Solutions
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Posted - 2009.09.29 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Covert Kitty on 29/09/2009 15:52:20
If you do this I would suggest that you price it by isk / jump regardless of what your hauling, have one price for freighters, one price for transports. And handle the transactions via private courier contracts when possible. Do not charge less than 600k / jump (at an *absolute* minimum), otherwise you might as well be using my trading tool and doing opportunistic trading instead (shameless plug ftw!).
But remember, at the heart of it your selling your time, so price it accordingly.
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Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.29 16:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Covert Kitty
Do not charge less than 600k / jump (at an *absolute* minimum)
I can tell you right now, there are a ton of people who will happily take contracts for much, much less than that.
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
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Posted - 2009.09.29 21:03:00 -
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Red Frog Freight's rates are: 500k + (350k * # of jumps) + (350k * number of extra stops). Extra stops are those in excess of the initial pickup and final drop-off. We don't charge for the jumps necessary to reach your starting station.
Simple as that. We do not have regular routes, that is, we don't work like the post office or a bus company. We're more like a taxi or bicycle messenger company; pilots pickup contracts from our corp pool.
Routes would force us to potentially run empty (not good for the bottom line); put as at risk of piracy; and would be no end of headaches in regards to the overall value of the cargo in our hold. We have a max 1 billion collateral on our runs. This keeps the gank factor to a minimum as it is below the threshold of pirate gank profit calculations. If we ran routes we'd be in the position of having to decide whether or not it was safe to move everything at once. If it wasn't, we'd end up making multiple runs anyway.
There is also the issue of who would have to make the runs, the time it would take, scheduling, etc. The contract model allows for a great degree of flexibility for the pilots. And believe me, you need to keep freighter pilots happy; its not the most exciting thing to do in EVE and no one really wants to have a virtual job to go to after they get home from their real job.
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Zarofdium
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Posted - 2009.09.30 06:13:00 -
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With the 'predicted rise' of Alliance fragmentation, scheduled (at least daily) trips both into and out of null sec space might actually be viable.
For example:
Imagine a relatively small Alliance who has staked out a small 5-15 system area of space. Not all Alliances have direct access to "Empire" space (think of a 'land-locked' country that needs to trade by sea). Given adequate military support for convoys, a regular daily trade run might be necessary to bring in manufactured goods, and send out raw materials (assuming the 'smaller alliances' are not highly specialized to the point that they can manufacture everything they will need).
Although it would be extremely lucrative for a series of individuals to pilot their own ships, and bring in goods purchased at ultra-competitive prices in Empire Space (for resale at incredible margins)- a fierce investor could also compile a list of daily goods that needed to be brought across the lines- in both directions, as to maximize profit.
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Gabriel Rosencrantz
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Rosencrantz on 30/09/2009 18:06:58
I agree that the new developments in alliance space and 0.0 will definitely open up some opportunities. Personally, I couldn't conceive of piloting a standard freighter through 0.0 space, esp. on a regular basis. I would use jump freighters and cloaky haulers. A regular freighter just provides too many opportunities for ganks. The align time is atrocious, but don't forget that its warp speed is below 1, so absolutely everything could intercept it. Even with an escort, it would be very dangerous.
edit: looking back, i see you didn't actually suggest using a freighter to do it. Sorry!
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Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Rosencrantz
Edited by: Gabriel Rosencrantz on 30/09/2009 18:06:58
I agree that the new developments in alliance space and 0.0 will definitely open up some opportunities. Personally, I couldn't conceive of piloting a standard freighter through 0.0 space, esp. on a regular basis. I would use jump freighters and cloaky haulers. A regular freighter just provides too many opportunities for ganks. The align time is atrocious, but don't forget that its warp speed is below 1, so absolutely everything could intercept it. Even with an escort, it would be very dangerous.
edit: looking back, i see you didn't actually suggest using a freighter to do it. Sorry!
Realistically logistics between empire and 0.0 boil down to jump freighters or cov ops. Cloaky haulers are only useful for inter 0.0 stuff. A freighter is only useful for a "We're leaving" kind of move under heavy support.
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DS S
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:56:00 -
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I have used red frog investments one (tried 3 times) i had 2 sets of contracts go untouched for 3 days on each of them and had to cancell them with no responce even when their contact was mailed. Becuase of them not moving my stuff when i needed it moved, i missed a huge run on the market for what i needed moved, and lost the potential of 1.2bil in extra profits.
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Mephistocles
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2009.10.01 16:10:00 -
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DS S, if what you say is true then I apologize for your inconvenience. Although, I show no records of you having ever used our service. Do you perhaps have a main that you used to issue the contracts so I could investigate this further? |
alexxr
Gallente
Red Mist Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 19:24:00 -
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yep i definably suggest using red frog :D
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