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Xenuria
Center Haus Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:16:00 -
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The Video
How does the sophisticated and cultured EvE community feel about this? The Future of GoonSwarm |

MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
781
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Posted - 2012.06.06 22:28:00 -
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just wow Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:15:00 -
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The uploader of the video has closed their account.
Obviously this is a conspiracy by the man to stop the truth from coming out (of the closet) Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Xenuria
Center Haus Apocalypse Now.
523
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:23:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:The uploader of the video has closed their account.
Obviously this is a conspiracy by the man to stop the truth from coming out (of the closet)
http://gawker.com/5916347/teen-talk-show-host-says-president-obama-is-making-kids-gay
This is rather amusing, after what I can only describe as a **** storm of negative attention, that ignorant little kid closed his entire youtube account.
https://www.facebook.com/younginbroadcasting
Apparently everybody is trollololloling him for his youtube account getting closed. Apparently HE closed it himself.
Soooo.... does that mean his show is over with? The Future of GoonSwarm |

Nachteule Kohen
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:28:00 -
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there's just nothing to say really. even the american mainstream media is full of trolls "obama is gay".
there's just nothing to say... if only i had a laser rifle that could evaporate certain people. |

Xenuria
Center Haus Apocalypse Now.
523
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Posted - 2012.06.06 23:30:00 -
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I think this is more of a "civil" issue than a "political" one. The Future of GoonSwarm |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
743
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:18:00 -
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Under Obama, even Spiderman is unemployed now.  |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1399
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Posted - 2012.06.07 00:28:00 -
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Nachteule Kohen wrote:there's just nothing to say really. even the american mainstream media is full of trolls "obama is gay".
there's just nothing to say... if only i had a laser rifle that could evaporate certain people.
You hate teh gheys too huh? |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
451
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:05:00 -
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Guess I shouldn't have been hitting on that homophobic eve player the other day, he's gonna think its Obama's fault now.
ps it was an act, I just like watching those types squirm. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2012.06.07 01:58:00 -
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IBTL Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat desert first! |

Wrayeth
We Reach Around Situation: Normal
20
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Posted - 2012.06.07 02:20:00 -
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Um, sir, you may have missed something...
THE L0CK wrote:The uploader of the video has closed their account.
Obviously this is a conspiracy by the man to stop the truth from coming out (of the closet)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1149
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Posted - 2012.06.07 03:22:00 -
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Fun facts for Romania: - consensual acts between same-sex adults in private were only legalised in 1996 - law which criminalised public manifestations of homosexuality was repealed in 2000, law against discrimination put in place - age of consent standardized to 15 regardless of genders involved in 2002 (used to be 15 for heterosexual and 18 for homosexual) - lesbians allowed to have IVF in 2005 - men that have had sex with men are still forbidden from donating blood, repealing that is stuck in legislative bickering - same-sex couples can not get married and can not adopt children as a couple - almost 98% of the country identified as some Christian denomination (almost 87% as Eastern Orthodox) while barely over 0.1% identify as non-religious or atheist http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T T2 BPO poll : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 |

Nachteule Kohen
6
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Posted - 2012.06.07 04:11:00 -
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atheists don't fill surveys. it's probably 0.3% ;p |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1149
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Posted - 2012.06.07 04:40:00 -
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Nachteule Kohen wrote:atheists don't fill surveys. it's probably 0.3% ;p France, for instance, has 33% of survey responders giving either atheism, agnosticism or another lack of belief in supernatural powers, and only 34% believing that a "God" exists. Sweden has 23% believing in any particular god, 23% believing in nothing, and 53% holding what would traditionally be called esoteric beliefs. Several other EU countries are not that far behind in terms of non-god-belief, but others (like Romania, Portugal and Greece) drag the average stats down, with the EU average at 52% belief in any specific deity and 18% no belief in anything at all, rest claim belief in odder things that are not any particular deity. In contrast, in the USA, only around 15% claim no religious affiliations, roughly 6% to 9% of people in the USA claim they do not believe in the existence of a deity nor any other supernatural force, and under 2% explicitly identify as either agnostic or atheist. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T T2 BPO poll : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1595
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Posted - 2012.06.07 06:07:00 -
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Strawman argument.
You can't make people gay. You can confuse them if you work hard enough at it but that's just for fun.
So I'm supposed to worry about this rather than failed financial and foreign policies that are no different than those of the previous TWO administrations and destroying our future?
Not falling for it. |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
153
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Posted - 2012.06.07 06:55:00 -
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So when is CCP going to get around to fixing this? |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
464
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Posted - 2012.06.07 07:38:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Strawman argument.
You can't make people gay. You can confuse them if you work hard enough at it but that's just for fun.
So I'm supposed to worry about this rather than failed financial and foreign policies that are no different than those of the previous TWO administrations and destroying our future?
Not falling for it. welcome to politics. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:30:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:I think this is more of a "civil" issue than a "political" one.
Yup... as political argument it will fail because the separation of church and state forbids any president of encouraging sexual preferences based on religious beliefs. Kid needs to understand that people are free to believe whatever they want. Freedom of religion is key to any state's success...
/attempting to shift thread into a history discussion
Look at the Roman empire. They tolerated the religions of the places they conquered, even respected many of them. And geez there were a lot of gays. Nobody cared about that... all they cared about was to gank/wardec/invade everybody else and they did pretty darn well for 600 years. In fact, if it wasn't because the dumbarses made their plumbing out of lead and went crazy, they might still be the ruling party. |

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
110
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:55:00 -
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Gay is actually pretty nice: Less competition if they are male, good ....movies if female. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |

Akiyo XI
Black Rebel Rifter Club
30
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:58:00 -
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learn when your being baited
that is all "the wise speak only of what they know" |

Shameless Avenger
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:06:00 -
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Akiyo XI wrote:learn when your being baitedthat is all
LOL... the cannibal troll. |

Xenuria
Center Haus Apocalypse Now.
523
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:00:00 -
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One of the main reasons I posted this thread on the EvE forums of all places is because It is my opinion that the people of this community are more intelligent and sophisticated of other game communities. (ex Blizzard forums... LOL)
In futuristic fiction, nobody seems to care what your gender or orientation is...
Look at mass effect 3 for example. There is a scene where a crew member talks about his dead husband and there exists no option to ridicule of harass him about this very open indication of homosexuality.
EvE itself is a great example, The only faction that strictly and openly opposes alternative life-styles are the amarr.
The amarr are also catholic. Go figure.
The Future of GoonSwarm |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1689
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:05:00 -
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This thread won't last long :)
14 year olds should not be given access to microphones. They don't know enough about anything to actually comment. I did see a comment on a related video that I thought actually provided some insight into those opposed to gay marriage:
"gay marriage" is like "dry water". It just can't be.
That sums up pretty well the argument: this isn't about denial of civil rights, this is a disagreement about the boundaries of the definition of marriage. I wish people on both sides of the argument would get it through their heads that the other side isn't out to get them. Everyone involved is acting on their personal convictions, and that should be commended. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Xenuria
Center Haus Apocalypse Now.
523
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:13:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:This thread won't last long :)
14 year olds should not be given access to microphones. They don't know enough about anything to actually comment. I did see a comment on a related video that I thought actually provided some insight into those opposed to gay marriage:
"gay marriage" is like "dry water". It just can't be.
That sums up pretty well the argument: this isn't about denial of civil rights, this is a disagreement about the boundaries of the definition of marriage. I wish people on both sides of the argument would get it through their heads that the other side isn't out to get them. Everyone involved is acting on their personal convictions, and that should be commended.
When I was 14, I was a full time college student with a 3.5 GPA. Don't make this an "age" thing, it's not. This is an "ignorance" thing.
If you do backround on this kid you will find he often has a very smug look on his face and obviously feels empowered by his demagoguery. I know this type well.
A person like him would be highly susceptible to the influence of a cult. At the very least I like to think that some of the more prominent blowhards that spew this hate know to some degree that it is junk and are only doing it to push an agenda that nets them wealth and power. In the case of this child I can say with confidence that he actually believes what he is saying and that my friends is dangerous. The Future of GoonSwarm |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1401
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:28:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:This thread won't last long :)
14 year olds should not be given access to microphones. They don't know enough about anything to actually comment. I did see a comment on a related video that I thought actually provided some insight into those opposed to gay marriage:
"gay marriage" is like "dry water". It just can't be.
That sums up pretty well the argument: this isn't about denial of civil rights, this is a disagreement about the boundaries of the definition of marriage. I wish people on both sides of the argument would get it through their heads that the other side isn't out to get them. Everyone involved is acting on their personal convictions, and that should be commended. When I was 14, I was a full time college student with a 3.5 GPA. Don't make this an "age" thing, it's not. This is an "ignorance" thing. If you do backround on this kid you will find he often has a very smug look on his face and obviously feels empowered by his demagoguery. I know this type well. A person like him would be highly susceptible to the influence of a cult. At the very least I like to think that some of the more prominent blowhards that spew this hate know to some degree that it is junk and are only doing it to push an agenda that nets them wealth and power. In the case of this child I can say with confidence that he actually believes what he is saying and that my friends is dangerous.
When I was 18 I graduated high school with a 1.67 GPA
Not due to I didn't get it, I only showed up for tests because screw high school  |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1689
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:28:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:When I was 14, I was a full time college student with a 3.5 GPA. So? That doesn't qualify you as being insightful. College doesn't provide wisdom or enlightenment. At 14 you were just reading thicker books than the other kids. Going to college doesn't make a young person more mature than their peers. Just better at making grades.
Xenuria wrote:Don't make this an "age" thing, it's not. This is an "ignorance" thing. Okay, I'll rephrase it: I've never in my life met a 14-year old who wasn't ignorant. I find little more amusing than a teenager who thinks they understand how the world works. I remember being that foolish once and I think it's adorable, yet quite annoying. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1028
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:00:00 -
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Xenuria...
why you change your whole face?
also, DEM EYEBROWS!
xenuria wrote:Look at mass effect 3 for example. There is a scene where a crew member talks about his dead husband and there exists no option to ridicule of harass him about this very open indication of homosexuality.
wait for the DLC My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1603
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:10:00 -
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My solution to the whole marriage issue would be this:
Let them marry, but one of them has to be "the man". They have to decide on this ahead of time and it's binding.
So when the divorce comes, typically the man has no rights in divorce court.
Then they won't be as eager to marry. They would probably eschew marriage like most heteros who see what a rigged game it is.
Problem solved. |

Xenuria
Center Haus Apocalypse Now.
524
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:12:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Xenuria... why you change your whole face? also, DEM EYEBROWS! xenuria wrote:Look at mass effect 3 for example. There is a scene where a crew member talks about his dead husband and there exists no option to ridicule of harass him about this very open indication of homosexuality. wait for the DLC
I wanted to make my character looks more like me. Although I admit the limitations of the character creation system means it is impossible to do justice my awe inspiring and majestic appearance. The Future of GoonSwarm |

leviticus ander
CATO.nss
172
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Posted - 2012.06.10 04:56:00 -
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I see marriage of any kind as more or less useless. at this point, it's just a cultural thing, and due to the ease (relatively so) of divorces, it's really not nearly as big a thing these days. my thought is to just let people say "I love you, will you move in with me" and be done with it. EDIT: and as I've been repeating for a while now (I heard it somewhere, but can't remember where) "marriage is betting half your stuff that you will love each other for ever and ever. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3983
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Posted - 2012.06.10 20:52:00 -
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Im fine with it as long as they dont force it down my throat.
In other news Mayor Bloomburg is helping kill the planet by banning oversized beverages increasing the amount of soda containers in landfills.
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Cutter Isaacson
Peace N Quiet
411
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:43:00 -
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And that kid is a perfect example of why children should not be allowed anywhere near a microphone, webcam and YouTube or any other site of its kind. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1433
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Posted - 2012.06.11 00:59:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:And that kid is a perfect example of why children should not be allowed anywhere near a microphone, webcam and YouTube or any other site of its kind.
Parents just need to hit their kids more, worked great for me growing up  |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1451
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:53:00 -
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leviticus ander wrote:I see marriage of any kind as more or less useless. at this point, it's just a cultural thing, and due to the ease (relatively so) of divorces, it's really not nearly as big a thing these days. my thought is to just let people say "I love you, will you move in with me" and be done with it. EDIT: and as I've been repeating for a while now (I heard it somewhere, but can't remember where) "marriage is betting half your stuff that you will love each other for ever and ever.
Tax breaks, it's a social (and legal binding) contract |

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
91
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:50:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:leviticus ander wrote:I see marriage of any kind as more or less useless. at this point, it's just a cultural thing, and due to the ease (relatively so) of divorces, it's really not nearly as big a thing these days. my thought is to just let people say "I love you, will you move in with me" and be done with it. EDIT: and as I've been repeating for a while now (I heard it somewhere, but can't remember where) "marriage is betting half your stuff that you will love each other for ever and ever. Tax breaks, it's a social (and legal binding) contract
Also:
Automatic rights to make medical decisions if your spouse is unable to do so, visit your spouse in the hospital, etc. Legal marriage is recognized in these cases, but even when unmarried couples have had legal agreements to attempt to duplicate those rights they've been ignored by the hospital.
Automatic custody of children. For example, if you aren't legally married, your kids go to your parents, not your partner, if you die. You'd better hope that your legal family agrees with your choice of partner and allows the kids to remain with their surviving parent.
Automatic inheritance. If you die without leaving a will (or of anything isn't clear), everything automatically goes to your spouse. If you aren't married, even if you have a will your legal family can still contest it and your umarried partner gets no special consideration.
Coverage under employer-provided health insurance. Legal marriage often gets this for you and your children, but it's much rarer to find an employer who extends that coverage if you aren't legally married.
Automatic immunity to testifying in court against your spouse. If you're legally married, you can never be obligated to testify against them. If you aren't legally married, well, you'd better not witness your partner doing anything illegal.
Etc.
But remember, we need to punish people for doing something Jesus doesn't like!
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SpaceSquirrels
284
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:54:00 -
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I for one embrace our new chapless ass overlord children.
Oh wait that came out no so good.... ****...ok Dear FBI I used a poor poor choice.
Um ok... Least we'll have more parades! |

Nyx Na'gorg
Khazarian Resergence
27
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Posted - 2012.06.14 14:17:00 -
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I think the most important part of this thread is when Xenuria admitted he plays WoW. |

Jon Engel
Machete Carbide
27
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:31:00 -
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Akita T wrote:Nachteule Kohen wrote:atheists don't fill surveys. it's probably 0.3% ;p France, for instance, has 33% of survey responders giving either atheism, agnosticism or another lack of belief in supernatural powers, and only 34% believing that a "God" exists. Sweden has 23% believing in any particular god, 23% believing in nothing, and 53% holding what would traditionally be called esoteric beliefs. Several other EU countries are not that far behind in terms of non-god-belief, but others (like Romania, Portugal and Greece) drag the average stats down, with the EU average at 52% belief in any specific deity and 18% no belief in anything at all, rest claim belief in odder things that are not any particular deity. In contrast, in the USA, only around 15% claim no religious affiliations, roughly 6% to 9% of people in the USA claim they do not believe in the existence of a deity nor any other supernatural force, and under 2% explicitly identify as either agnostic or atheist. Fun additional facts : Israel has 55% identifying as "secular", out of which 41% "non-religious", and of that, 31% say they do NOT believe in "God". Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, and 65% of its population does not believe in any deities (55% don't even care about Buddha). Germany has an even lower crime rate, and around half of its population does not believe in any deities, with a quarter identifying as either atheist or agnostic. ... Bottom line, if atheists (and agnostic, non-believers or "seculars") don't fill polls or census data to that extent, it's on a per-country basis, not worldwide. Worldwide, they fill questionnaires just fine.
Those lovely polls and surveys are hardly consistent with the true personal beliefs of everyday Americans. Even the census forms are bullshit. A lot of people who don't believe in Jesus, don't go to Church except for funerals, weddings, and the christenings of some little bastard belonging to a friend or family member just say Christian or whatever denomination they come from.
Asking me what I believe, and asking me what I was raised in gets you two different answers. I don't believe in God or Jesus, or Muhammad or Buddha, or even have any kind of respect or toleration for people's sensitivities in regards to faith. However, in a number of occasions I have just checked off Christian as a habit on several forms both State and Federal Government and even swore on a bible in a court room a few times.
Point is, don't believe polls, surveys or whatever. They are not accurate by any means, and in the end religion doesn't matter in America. Only old guard protestant fundamentalists think so and believe we have to court religious people's sensitivities because they think they have a monopoly on what is morally correct.
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Xenuria
Center Haus Apocalypse Now.
532
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:35:00 -
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Nyx Na'gorg wrote:I think the most important part of this thread is when Xenuria admitted he plays WoW.
I at no point indicated that I play WOW, because I do not.
Will consult for ISK |

Jon Engel
Machete Carbide
27
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:37:00 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:leviticus ander wrote:I see marriage of any kind as more or less useless. at this point, it's just a cultural thing, and due to the ease (relatively so) of divorces, it's really not nearly as big a thing these days. my thought is to just let people say "I love you, will you move in with me" and be done with it. EDIT: and as I've been repeating for a while now (I heard it somewhere, but can't remember where) "marriage is betting half your stuff that you will love each other for ever and ever. Tax breaks, it's a social (and legal binding) contract Also: Automatic rights to make medical decisions if your spouse is unable to do so, visit your spouse in the hospital, etc. Legal marriage is recognized in these cases, but even when unmarried couples have had legal agreements to attempt to duplicate those rights they've been ignored by the hospital. Automatic custody of children. For example, if you aren't legally married, your kids go to your parents, not your partner, if you die. You'd better hope that your legal family agrees with your choice of partner and allows the kids to remain with their surviving parent. Automatic inheritance. If you die without leaving a will (or of anything isn't clear), everything automatically goes to your spouse. If you aren't married, even if you have a will your legal family can still contest it and your umarried partner gets no special consideration. Coverage under employer-provided health insurance. Legal marriage often gets this for you and your children, but it's much rarer to find an employer who extends that coverage if you aren't legally married. Automatic immunity to testifying in court against your spouse. If you're legally married, you can never be obligated to testify against them. If you aren't legally married, well, you'd better not witness your partner doing anything illegal. Etc. But remember, we need to punish people for doing something Jesus doesn't like!
Not true, all family law (at least in America) is delegated to State Government legislatures. It varies (with very considerable differences) in a ll 50 states and the non-state states like Puerto Rico, Guam and Samoa and DC. I will admit that in all those jurisdictions family courts tend to favor a woman over both the rights of a male or the best interest of the children or what is morally correct. Like paying alimony to a cheating wife, or allowing an abusive drug addicted mother to retain custody and deny the father his parental rights.
Recent legislation is being introduced and even implemented into law to correct this fallacy of justice. Makes me feel a little better because I have a daughter and If I was to divorce god knows I don't want all my flaws thrown at me in court to deny me my parental rights.
Lastly, if gay couple can provide for and raise a well adjusted child, more power to em. Better their checkbooks fitting the bill than the tax payers. |

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry Devil Divided By Zero
38
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Posted - 2012.06.15 08:03:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:This thread won't last long :)
14 year olds should not be given access to microphones. They don't know enough about anything to actually comment. I did see a comment on a related video that I thought actually provided some insight into those opposed to gay marriage:
"gay marriage" is like "dry water". It just can't be.
That sums up pretty well the argument: this isn't about denial of civil rights, this is a disagreement about the boundaries of the definition of marriage. I wish people on both sides of the argument would get it through their heads that the other side isn't out to get them. Everyone involved is acting on their personal convictions, and that should be commended.
Yes, because the ones that are anti-gay are usually religious and when someone say "marriage" to them, they think of a wedding in a church. Most of the religions forbid this and they have a right to do so. They invented the rules for their own beliefs after all.
What they choose not see or understand, however, is that marriage today, with so many different cultures, religions and atheism mixed in, ceased to be a religious term and became a civil term - a legal bond between two humans. Since the laws are written by democratically elected representatives of the people (at least that's how it works on paper, right ), there is no reason to have a law that will discriminate same sex marriage, if you have a part of your community that wants to do that. After all, marriage today is a consensual relationship between two adults that is not affecting anyone else except themselves.
There's also an issue where many think that democracy should be a tyranny of the majority and use that to ignore the needs of the minority (in this case gay community), but that's another story. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic     |

SpaceSquirrels
284
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:11:00 -
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Wasn't marriage always really about financial benefit and not anything else. Even in biblical times i'd have to guess more marriages were arranged.
But I digress now a days marriage (At least in the western world) is a legal matter, and therefore religion should not really get a say in who gets to marry who. And really what at the end of the day does it matter if a couple of short haired ladies are married down the street?
Sanctity? What Sanctity Marriage started out for financial reasons, and today we have an all time low divorce rate of.... 45% Woohoo! If anything blame women entering the work force and able to be independent more than gay marriage ******* it up. Let's face it; it's less about any real reason, and more so that people get "oogey" at the thought at a couple of dudes sword fighting in their own homes. |
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