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Yet Maria
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Posted - 2009.09.24 15:57:00 -
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I'm not sure what happen or what the motive was.
I was in a belt, mining with my new alt, who is like, at the time 1 day old. So I'm just chilling, filling up this secure can. It's about %90 full, and I see a player with orange crossbones fly by my ship slowly.
I'm in 0.5, so I don't care. I'm only flying a catalyst, fitted with 3 mining lasers. One of them being a civilian one.
So I'm like ok whatever, continue what I am doing.
Anyhow, the can is almost full. I was buying new lasers with my main, getting ready to go when he returns.
I right click him and use look at. So I see him a few clicks away, and he starts going stright at my. Maybe he thinks I don't see him?
So anyhow I click warp to stargate since I'm done, and my ship starts moving right before he hits me.
No damage is done, I leave, fit new lasers and come back to mine in another can with my main.
But I'm still all WTF happened?
Still not sure, was kinda funny for me though.
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Modrak Vseth
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Posted - 2009.09.24 16:19:00 -
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He was just bumping you to annoy you likely. He's probably a can flipper and couldn't flip your secure container so there wasn't much else he could do to try and get a reaction from you.
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.09.24 16:19:00 -
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He was probably hoping to get you ****ed off enough to shoot at him.
When I was still mining in frigates in hi-sec, I once noticed a noob pirate (straight from the academy) flying to my can. It was secured so I didn't worry about it.
He then started flying around me a bit (I later realized he was probaly orbiting me), and opened fire.
Needless to say, he got concorded before my drone could fire 2 shots.
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Yet Maria
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Posted - 2009.09.24 16:37:00 -
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I thought about targeting but I did not. Maybe next time. I honestly did not even check into his ship type, only clicked on show info for the character to see his standings and if he had a bounty.
All I saw was that he was apart of some hightimes corp. Which is cool in my books. All fun. I was finished filling that can anyhow.
Since I'm still pretty new though I was wondering if he was trying to suicide gank me or something? I'm not really sure on the mechanics of that. But I really did not have anything of value on me except maybe half a million in mining lasers at the most.
Still it was entertaining for the brief moment. :) |
Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
TalCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.09.24 16:38:00 -
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I know people who, when mining alone, will drop a secure can and then begin to orbit the 'roid they are mining. The orbiting makes them substantially harder to bump, and every time your orbit brings you around the the secure can you can dump your cargo hold.
The downside is that if an ore theif in an industrial capable of scooping the whole can warps in and you aren't near the can, you can't scoop the ore before he takes it.
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Jose Black
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Posted - 2009.09.24 16:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Esna Pitoojee
The downside is that if an ore theif in an industrial capable of scooping the whole can warps in and you aren't near the can, you can't scoop the ore before he takes it.
They can't scoop anchored secure cans. If you don't anchor it there's not much point in using one anyway.
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Yet Maria
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Posted - 2009.09.24 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Yet Maria on 24/09/2009 16:44:45
But what's the point of the secure can if you don't anchor it?
edit- sorry 5 min rule.
Originally by: Esna Pitoojee
I know people who, when mining alone, will drop a secure can and then begin to orbit the 'roid they are mining. The orbiting makes them substantially harder to bump, and every time your orbit brings you around the the secure can you can dump your cargo hold.
The downside is that if an ore theif in an industrial capable of scooping the whole can warps in and you aren't near the can, you can't scoop the ore before he takes it.
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Infinitus Perrenis
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.24 21:03:00 -
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I had a similar experience, I was in Hulk though and was sitting next to a rock mining and some guy came in straight at me. I also was in .05 and my cans are all secured so I didn't even bother launching drones or locking him. But low and behold when he bumps me I end up accelerating to a speed not attainable by a Hulk and also 45km away from where I was sitting! Anyone know how that happens?
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
The Rise of The Dragon Knights
Void Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.25 07:59:00 -
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Short answer : the bumping mechanics are idiotic.
EVE = correct physics are for other people 
You can bump a titan with a frigate which is crazy of course.
In the recent changes or in the soon to deployed changes (not sure) this will be corrected and bumping should be more realistic.
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Nicski
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Posted - 2009.09.25 10:25:00 -
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The action of bumping you does have a subtle result, it likely would knock you out of range of the can. You wouldn't be able to empty your hold and would have to cease mining while you relocated back to the can.
The guy was probably looking for a can to flip and after failing to find one, resorted to this tactic to antagonise you. As pathetic as this sounds, some noob miners would lose their temper and start shooting and others would start whinging in local or private convo after several such bumps.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.25 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nicski
The action of bumping you does have a subtle result, it likely would knock you out of range of the can. You wouldn't be able to empty your hold and would have to cease mining while you relocated back to the can.
The guy was probably looking for a can to flip and after failing to find one, resorted to this tactic to antagonise you. As pathetic as this sounds, some noob miners would lose their temper and start shooting and others would start whinging in local or private convo after several such bumps.
Of course, if the person kept doing so he could be petitioned for grief tactics. However, the usual defense of "I wanted to disrupt his corp's mining operations" may make that futile.
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.09.25 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Unknown
Of course, if the person kept doing so he could be petitioned for grief tactics.
Sorry but no... Bumping is a valid game mechanic (even if it is a little wonky) and there is really not much you can do about it. In fact, at one point CCP suggested the use of bumping to keep cap ships from warping so that you can destroy them..
As for the case in the OP, the guy was most likely bored and was just trying to get a rise out of you.
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Pan Dora
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.09.25 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Originally by: Agent Unknown
Of course, if the person kept doing so he could be petitioned for grief tactics.
Sorry but no... Bumping is a valid game mechanic (even if it is a little wonky) and there is really not much you can do about it. In fact, at one point CCP suggested the use of bumping to keep cap ships from warping so that you can destroy them..
As for the case in the OP, the guy was most likely bored and was just trying to get a rise out of you.
I dont think that file a petition because of bumping its going to be anything more than waste of GM's time.
However grief its the use of valid game mechanics to disrupt other player enjoyment of the game without advantage for the perpetrator. So if someone manage to use bumping to effectively stop you from playing without any other motive than to make you feel miserable file a petition. (But I dont see it being possible)
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Sanctus Maleficus
Lambent Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.09.25 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Yet Maria
I thought about targeting but I did not. Maybe next time. I honestly did not even check into his ship type
You might want to add Ship Types as an overview column. (Its in the overview settings -- right click the overview bar)
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2009.09.25 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts on 25/09/2009 23:05:20
Originally by: Pan Dora
However grief its the use of valid game mechanics to disrupt other player enjoyment of the game without advantage for the perpetrator.
Well, since disrupting other players is a major cornerstone of EVE, that definition of grief sort of falls short. In my experience anything short of real life threats is considered fair play.
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Pan Dora
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.09.26 02:04:00 -
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Edited by: Pan Dora on 26/09/2009 02:05:26
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Well, since disrupting other players is a major cornerstone of EVE, that definition of grief sort of falls short. In my experience anything short of real life threats is considered fair play.
Im pretty sure I can come up with a few ways to use the actual game mechanics to get myself banned. But I dont want to try myself, nor I want to help some s****with ideias.
And being EVE so permissive about how many 'bad things' we can do to fellow players its important to know where the line is (at least have by felling). No sane player want what is the other side.
Please, notice that I dont want to imply that you are advocating for the kind of action that its really harmfull(and thus banable). My guess is that you dont even consider there is people sick like that. Myself, Im more sceptical about the good will of some 'humans'. I think some people will play to ruim someone else fun intead of have fun thenselves if no one stop then. They are rare, but no reason to let then have any suscess harrassing other players.
Also notice that its not intended to be a rant about the several forms of non-consensual pvp. I delivered it, suffered it and had fun all the time. Its just the sick people that think only then can have fun that I wold like of get ride of.
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