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xxxak Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.09.26 15:12:00 - [1] So.. looking at the cost of a fully fit BC compared to a fully fit cruiser, there isnt a huge difference. For small gang pvp in nullsec, which ship would you choose?
Renarla	Posted - 2009.09.26 15:26:00 - [2] Edited by: Renarla on 26/09/2009 15:25:48 Hurricane or Harbi. However, on another note, I now have one of those annoying sigs.
steveid Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.09.26 17:25:00 - [3] harbinger is an amazing ship. Great tracking, good dps and easy to fit. [Harbinger, gang harby damage] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M [empty high slot] Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Hammerhead II x5 is my fit of choice, handles like a HAC with greater buffer and damage. 750 dps for close work and 30km range with scorch. If you read this then you have to lick my balls.
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2009.09.26 19:07:00 - [4] I'd say it depends on two things, namely: Whether you're going on double secret combat patrols Whether you need to do over 600DPS per second --- I was going to run for CSM but life waylaid me :(
Xcen	Posted - 2009.09.26 20:52:00 - [5] Money not a issue? Hurricane (alot of possible setups) nano-highdps,speed,lower tank, less utlity medium slots buffer 1600plate + 3x trimark , high effective hp, slow, decent damage (2 free mids) Dual rep - not often used, buffer/nano often better off Money an isssue? (assuming so, and same here) -Rupture can get a decent tank w/ high dps (for a cruiser..) Personally like this setup [Rupture, solo plate ruppy] Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Nosferatu II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x1 Hobgoblin II x4 300+dps 40k effective hp Better off with lower skillpoints to
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.09.26 20:58:00 - [6] They're all pretty good choices really.
Hatsumi Kobayashi Bannable Offense. Petition This	Posted - 2009.09.26 21:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Captain Pompous I'd say it depends on two things, namely: Whether you're going on double secret combat patrols Whether you need to do over 600DPS per second +rep ______
debbie harrio	Posted - 2009.09.27 07:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Xcen Money not a issue? Hurricane (alot of possible setups) nano-highdps,speed,lower tank, less utlity medium slots buffer 1600plate + 3x trimark , high effective hp, slow, decent damage (2 free mids) Dual rep - not often used, buffer/nano often better off Money an isssue? (assuming so, and same here) -Rupture can get a decent tank w/ high dps (for a cruiser..) Personally like this setup [Rupture, solo plate ruppy] Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Nosferatu II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x1 Hobgoblin II x4 300+dps 40k effective hp Better off with lower skillpoints to Protip....Don't mix guns.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.09.27 07:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Captain Pompous I'd say it depends on two things, namely: Whether you're going on double secret combat patrols Whether you need to do over 600DPS per second I wish I could do 600 damage per second per second. Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
Sidephex Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.09.27 08:24:00 - [10] Originally by: debbie harrio Protip....Don't mix guns. Protip... shut up if u r clueless

debbie harrio	Posted - 2009.09.27 08:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Sidephex Originally by: debbie harrio Protip....Don't mix guns. Protip... shut up if u r clueless So enlighten me, why the mix of guns?
Rylai Moore	Posted - 2009.09.27 08:53:00 - [12] Originally by: debbie harrio Originally by: Sidephex Originally by: debbie harrio Protip....Don't mix guns. Protip... shut up if u r clueless So enlighten me, why the mix of guns? It gets more EFT DPS. (And often, more "real world" DPS too).
Rylai Moore	Posted - 2009.09.27 09:01:00 - [13] Edited by: Rylai Moore on 27/09/2009 09:01:44 Double post. :(
Grut Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.27 09:09:00 - [14] Edited by: Grut on 27/09/2009 09:09:06 Originally by: debbie harrio Protip....Don't mix guns. Thats protip don't mix long and short range guns or different types, not don't use any spare CPU/PG to upgrade the acs you've already got on ..... Kinsy > deadman you there? Kinsy > are either of us in pods, becase we dont know... Mostly harmless [ 2005.12.09 19:22:50 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Dreadnought
Intigo Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.09.27 09:19:00 - [15] Posting to say debbie is clueless. Mixing gun sizes is perfectly fine if you are min-maxing your fit for the highest DPS and need to fill out every PG/CPU. Just don't mix arty & ACs, as already mentioned. Hurricane and Harby are both amazing, pick either. I would go for the Harby personally and slap a shield tank on it. ___________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it.
debbie harrio	Posted - 2009.09.27 09:44:00 - [16] LOL, aye ok, I'll stick with 4*220's thanx, seems to work great.
Intigo Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.09.27 10:12:00 - [17] Originally by: debbie harrio LOL, aye ok, I'll stick with 4*220's thanx, seems to work great. Excuse me, your incompetence is showing! ___________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it.
Cpt Branko The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.27 11:03:00 - [18] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/09/2009 11:03:34 Originally by: Xcen Money an isssue? (assuming so, and same here) Stop fitting Trimarks on T1 cruisers. That alone makes the Hurricane cheaper to fit and fly. Other then that, it's a nice fit. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
z0de Gallente The Bastards The Bastards.	Posted - 2009.09.27 13:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Cpt Branko Stop fitting Trimarks on T1 cruisers. That alone makes the Hurricane cheaper to fit and fly. medium rigs are cheap. á á
Cpt Branko The Scope	Posted - 2009.09.27 13:38:00 - [20] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/09/2009 13:42:49 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/09/2009 13:40:26 Originally by: z0de Originally by: Cpt Branko Stop fitting Trimarks on T1 cruisers. That alone makes the Hurricane cheaper to fit and fly. medium rigs are cheap. Medium trimarks are not cheap. Let's do a bit of quick back of the envelope math. Correct me if my numbers are wildly off. T2 Rupture losscost (4M 1600mm rt, 4 mil guns + neuts, 2 mil dronebay, 2 mil web/disruptor, 4 mil random lows, 1 mil ammo/rest of T1 crap) = 17M Medium trimarks ~18M Total cost = ~32M. Nanocane loss cost: (6m t2 lows,4m mids, 5m mwd, 7m highs, 2m dronebay, 2m ammo/etc, 5m base hull, 6m rigs) = 37 M. Platecane loss cost: (4m 1600mm rt, 5m other t2 lows, 3m mids, 7m highs, 2m dronebay, 2m ammo/etc, 5m base hull, 6m rigs) = 34 M. Trimarked platecane, for instance, is ~46M. Maybe when the current fad of trimarking everything wears off we'll see more reasonable trimark prices. It's not that trimarks are always the optimal choice with the speed penality they inflict anyway. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

Darthewok Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.27 14:30:00 - [21] Harby and Cane are very viable and common for nullsec small gang PVP. They basically play the role of high-DPS providers in small roaming gangs (where BS are too slow). Usually, inties/ bubblers catch the prey, and the BCs pour the DPS on it. Neither is clearly superior for small gangs, both do about as well but vary in slightly different ways. Harby: a bit more damage (useful to get tough targets down quick), medium drone bay can fit medium damage drones/ECM drones. Cane: warps and moves a bit faster so more likely to get a tackle and escape bad situations. better at neuting and less vulnerable to being neuted than the Harby. Can't really go too wrong with either.
steveid Helljumpers Double Dutch Rudders	Posted - 2009.09.27 17:56:00 - [22] trouble with the cane is you have to be so damn close to do any effective dps and so this makes constant mwd use a must which imo makes it more cap vulnerable. tbh the caine brutix and harby are all sweet gank ships and pretty decent semi gank tank ships too. If you read this then you have to lick my balls.
Centurion Redux Minmatar Mining Corporation Red Dwarf Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.27 19:56:00 - [23] Edited by: Centurion Redux on 27/09/2009 19:56:15 I vote OTHER: Cyclone 5x 220 Auto IIs 3x HAM IIs Mids Large Shield Booster II Invuln II Warp SCRAM II (yes scram yes) Med Electrochem Cap Booster (800s) Lows 2x GyroStabs 1x DCU II 1x Nanofiber II Pop the blue pill, LG crystals* optional.
Gibbo3771	Posted - 2009.09.28 09:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Centurion Redux Edited by: Centurion Redux on 27/09/2009 19:56:15 I vote OTHER: Cyclone 5x 220 Auto IIs 3x HAM IIs Mids Large Shield Booster II Invuln II Warp SCRAM II (yes scram yes) Med Electrochem Cap Booster (800s) Lows 2x GyroStabs 1x DCU II 1x Nanofiber II Pop the blue pill, LG crystals* optional. Dead to the first gate camp with a rapier fyi
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.09.28 11:21:00 - [25] I thought Cyclown had 5 mids?
Mes Caline Amarr Ministry of Destruction SCUM.	Posted - 2009.09.28 11:41:00 - [26] im torn between 1600 plated harbinger and nano shield harbinger for solo work... I are teh poastin'
Wensley Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.09.28 11:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Kaileen Starsong I thought Cyclown had 5 mids? It does indeed. MWD goes in the one he didn't mention. Seconding that nanocane/cyclone is better than a plated and trimarked Ruppie. Read my Piracy Blog


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