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Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.09.30 05:13:00 - [211] Originally by: Azia Burgi Out of the 873 graves anchored in Molea, 802 were successfully recovered. That's the greater accomplishment in this whole thing. My Warmest Regards. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2010.09.30 06:18:00 - [212] Goonswarm's still here? I like me. 101st Space Marine Force Senior Recruiter
Sister Milani Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2010.09.30 07:07:00 - [213] The EVE Cemetery. Even the name inspires dignity, honour and respect. The first time that I had heard the title I couldn't help feeling that it was going to be something special and memorable in an environment where the overwhelming emphasis was on destruction, rather than creation. Even many traditionally cynical and trigger-happy pilots have acknowledged and come to respect the idealogy behind the concept: a neutral monument to the brave men and women of New Eden, a solemn place where the fallen could be remembered without judgement or bias. A shrine of contemplation and introspective, or perhaps simply an arena to gloat over an old enemy you may have helped put there. There was no financial or strategic benefit in destroying the Cemetery, and certainly no honour or respect to be gained from it. Quite the contrary in fact: the honour goes to the valiant defenders who, outnumbered and with no hope of victory against such overwhelming odds, continued to fight in defence of their charges without question or hesitation. Who, regrettably, are still fighting as I scribe these words. I extend my heartfelt condolences for the destruction of the tower monument, but also deep admiration for the efforts of Azia Burgi and the EVE Cemetery members, as well as the brave individuals who attempted to aid them in their hour of need. While the loss of 71 graves is indeed a terrible tragedy, it bears noting that those losses could have been far higher if not for the vigilance of the exhausted Cemetery keepers and concerned volunteers. Unfortunately, the investment of time, imagination and effort required to destroy something is so much less than is required to create and nurture it. I only pray that some day, courageous alliances who truly care about this universe we share will take the Cemetery under their protection and be a part of this famous and historically unique entity. - Katya
insolace GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.09.30 13:41:00 - [214] Oh hey I hear there is a new cemetary.
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerrilla Flotilla	Posted - 2010.09.30 13:50:00 - [215] Originally by: insolace Oh hey I hear there is a new cemetary. yep. _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Arduk	Posted - 2010.09.30 16:39:00 - [216] Originally by: Azia Burgi Following the war with GoonSwarm we lost the POS tower. ... It is great to hear that no real harm was done to the cemetery. The way I see it, instead of taking the easy approach by offering as little attack surface as possible, avoiding confrontation at all costs, the Eve Cemetery Corp. displayed no small amount of courage in actually facing up to the threat. While being highly outnumbered from the start, they and a small group of friends did their best to protect the cemetery and minimise losses. After the battle was over with the protecting tower gone, you did everything in your power to prevent the graves from taking any damage. Downtime interfering with the effort to save all graves was merely an unfortunate coincidence. As it has been said before, the way you and the Eve Cemetery team handled the given situation commands the utmost respect. I`m confident that the cemetery will be still around when its current enemies have been reduced to a mere footnote in the history of Eve.
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.09.30 16:59:00 - [217] Originally by: Arduk I`m confident that the cemetery will be still around when its current enemies are resting peacefully there. Sorry, had to fix that for you
Savasaan Todaro Caldari Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2010.10.04 22:14:00 - [218] Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia Originally by: Arduk I`m confident that the cemetery will be still around when its current enemies are trapped alive in there. Sorry, had to fix that for you Decided this was more fitting for the Goons. I put out one day to go sight seeing and I was seriously disappointed that my last stop was forced to be closed down. I hope with all my heart that the cemetary will be rebuilt, and this time remain undestroyed for enough time for all of the people to be properly buried. May prosperity and safety befall EVE Cemetery when it reopens. To all of the people in Goonswarm, find something else to do, it's not as unprecedented as the first time. Go and take down a Titan with only Noobships and record it, that would be fun to watch.
Valeronx Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures	Posted - 2010.10.07 18:48:00 - [219] Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia Originally by: Arduk I`m confident that the cemetery will be still around when its current enemies are resting peacefully there. Sorry, had to fix that for you LOL !
Azia Burgi Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.10.11 17:12:00 - [220] Further to my report regarding the missing graves I have located 2 of the missing graves and I have secured them in my hanger ready for reburial when the time comes. The names of the two recovered graves are as follows: Alfacinha Alustrious Killer My apologies to those pilots for any distress I may have cause for miss-reporting their loss. I have amended the burial database and honour roll list to reflect the changes. The number of successfully recovered graves now stands at 804. Thank you for your continued support, I am still accepting donations of corpses. Azia Burgi http://aziaburgi.me.uk BP Profit Calculator EVE Cemetery

Azia Burgi Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.11.18 23:46:00 - [221] Just a quick note to say that the cemetery is open for business. I am accepting all corpse donations from any NPC station. Azia Burgi http://aziaburgi.me.uk BP Profit Calculator EVE Cemetery
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.11.19 00:04:00 - [222] What system is it in, I missed seeing the last one by 2 days -- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen! For Great Justice!
Azia Burgi Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.11.19 00:45:00 - [223] Originally by: Alara IonStorm What system is it in, I missed seeing the last one by 2 days It is in orbit of Molea 2, moon 1. There aren't any graves there yet. Azia Burgi http://aziaburgi.me.uk BP Profit Calculator EVE Cemetery
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.11.19 03:06:00 - [224] Azia...I have some personages that might interest you, x5 to be exact. Syn Callibri 21st Eridani Light Horse Commander - Fleet Ops
Twigand Berries Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.19 07:24:00 - [225] Originally by: Azia Burgi Originally by: Alara IonStorm What system is it in, I missed seeing the last one by 2 days It is in orbit of Molea 2, moon 1. There aren't any graves there yet. where's that?
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.11.19 07:52:00 - [226] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 19/11/2010 07:53:06 Ha, so you rebuild no matter how many times fools tries to destroy it? Wonderful. EVE at its best. And I know running out of ISK is not an option. Or dead people for that matter. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
FOl2TY8 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.19 08:02:00 - [227] hmm yes quite right old chap, quite right
Vile rat GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.19 11:54:00 - [228] Insanity is doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results.
Bunzan Cardinal Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.11.19 11:57:00 - [229] Edited by: Bunzan Cardinal on 19/11/2010 11:59:05 Originally by: Vile rat Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein fixed.
Inbrainsane	Posted - 2010.11.19 13:04:00 - [230] Vile Rats Translation is closer to the original and you are a smartass.

Azia Burgi Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.11.19 14:43:00 - [231] Originally by: Syn Callibri Azia...I have some personages that might interest you, x5 to be exact. If you contract them up to me I will be more than happy to take them off your hands. Azia Burgi http://aziaburgi.me.uk BP Profit Calculator EVE Cemetery
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.11.19 14:52:00 - [232] Already done and waiting for you. Syn Callibri 21st Eridani Light Horse Commander - Fleet Ops
COL Kahn	Posted - 2010.11.19 16:19:00 - [233] Aren't Corpses playing a huge role for the expansion, so u should hold onto em?
Degara Farat Caldari	Posted - 2010.11.19 16:25:00 - [234] Originally by: Vile rat Insanity is doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results. Puzzling this statement. Are you talking about Goonswarm here or Azia?
Azia Burgi Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.11.19 16:51:00 - [235] Originally by: COL Kahn Aren't Corpses playing a huge role for the expansion, so u should hold onto em? News to me. Originally by: Degara Farat Puzzling this statement. Are you talking about Goonswarm here or Azia? If they are talking about me it is better to be insane than boring. Azia Burgi http://aziaburgi.me.uk BP Profit Calculator EVE Cemetery
Deadspace Acquisitions	Posted - 2010.11.19 19:09:00 - [236] It would seem to me that goons have a history, dating back many years, of attempting to punish players or groups that exploit the game. This can be seen quite clearly in macrocosm; the Great War against Band of Brothers; and in microcosm: RoyofCA's work uncovering the booster/moon materials duping. With this in mind, I'd wager a guess that the first attack against the Cemetary was likely just the goons lashing out at a notable player project, just random aggression. But in response, Azia found a loophole in the game mechanics to allow her to keep the cemetary almost completely safe; For those of you who haven't dallied with anchorable structures, here's the quick rundown: once upon a time, anything left in space stayed in space forever: empty shuttles, containers(anchored or not), etc. This meant there were many thousands of objects slowing down the game for everyone. In Trinity 1.1, as part of Need for Speed, they introduced the cleanup code where objects unused for 30 days now get deleted. The one major exception is containers in the proximity of a starbase. The catch is that the starbase doesn't care who owns the stuff floating around it, it protects it from deletion regardless. Normally this wouldn't be an issue because nobody wants random strangers dumping stuff next to their station right? This is where Azia's exploit sits: NPC corps are immune to wardecs(for good reason!) and because of that their members aren't allowed to anchor starbases - they are however allowed to anchor containers. So what Azia has done is anchor a tower with her actual corporation, EVE Cemetary, but anchor all the containers around it as an NPC corp. This means that while the tower is vulnerable to attack, the containers themselves aren't - even though they are reaping the benefit of the tower protecting them from automated deletion. What's my point? My point is that the solution to the problem seems obvious at this point, and while we can wait for CCP to either change the NPC Corp anchoring rules, or the starbase/container deletion rules to only match corp/alliance - we can also try to help Azia understand that the logical reason the goons keep coming back to haunt her is that she is fundamentally cheating. It may sound harsh but I stand by the term: EVE is a game of risk/reward - putting up a starbase brings the risk of attack and loss, but also the reward of relative safety - both for you and your containers; Azia has clearly broken this risk/reward mechanic - she reaps her reward of being allowed to roleplay freely, but suffers no risk towards the loss of her valued assets.
Feilamya Pain Elemental	Posted - 2010.11.19 19:32:00 - [237] Originally by: Degara Farat Originally by: Vile rat Insanity is doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results. Puzzling this statement. Are you talking about Goonswarm here or Azia? Also, who said they are expecting different results?
Rocky Deadshot	Posted - 2010.11.19 19:36:00 - [238] Originally by: Deadspace Acquisitions It would seem to me that goons have a history, dating back many years, of attempting to punish players or groups that exploit the game. This can be seen quite clearly in macrocosm; the Great War against Band of Brothers; and in microcosm: RoyofCA's work uncovering the booster/moon materials duping. wrong... goons do ** to do **. They raise havoc and chaos. its not an exploit... CCP is completely aware of how she does, and have been for awhile. What she does in no way gives her an advantage in game play... nor really lags the server (at least compared to your avg null sec drake lag death swarm of missile spammers that doesn't stack missiles cause that would decrease server load and the whole reason they are good is cause of the lag they cause) but i mean really... the system is out of the way... people generally like what she does, she doesnt make money on it, and any donations go straight into fueling it. so honestly there is no reason anyone should have an objection to this small oddity in the game. But goons being goons... will be .... goons (love that they named themselves with a name that already had bad connotations)
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2010.11.19 21:12:00 - [239] Originally by: Deadspace Acquisitions It would seem to me that goons have a history, dating back many years, of attempting to punish players or groups that exploit the game. This can be seen quite clearly in macrocosm; the Great War against Band of Brothers; and in microcosm: RoyofCA's work uncovering the booster/moon materials duping. This is your mistake. The Goons aren't doing something out of some sense of the greater good and you're either trolling, or you're an idiot for thinking so. They are doing whatever they find amusing at any given time, and if they can annoy/upset/anger "pubbies" then they will. They destroyed the graveyard to be annoying, nothing more. Nice try, though. .
Pirokobo Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.11.19 22:54:00 - [240] Edited by: Pirokobo on 19/11/2010 22:55:20 Originally by: Deadspace Acquisitions What's my point? My point is that the solution to the problem seems obvious at this point, and while we can wait for CCP to either change the NPC Corp anchoring rules, or the starbase/container deletion rules to only match corp/alliance - we can also try to help Azia understand that the logical reason the goons keep coming back to haunt her is that she is fundamentally cheating. It may sound harsh but I stand by the term: EVE is a game of risk/reward - putting up a starbase brings the risk of attack and loss, but also the reward of relative safety - both for you and your containers; Azia has clearly broken this risk/reward mechanic - she reaps her reward of being allowed to roleplay freely, but suffers no risk towards the loss of her valued assets. This. Also it's a cemetery and she takes it seriously. Edit: Just to be clear I think you SHOULD be able to wardec NPC corps.



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