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Jonas Altol
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:18:00 -
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I know I can have up to two alts on my single account, but only one of them can accumulate skill points at a time.
My question is, can I play my main character and an alt at the same time on the same computer?
For example, if I start Eve in windowed mode, can I play my main character in one window and an alt in another window at the same time? Or, do I need two paid account to play two characters at the same time?
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Singoth
Kronos Fleet
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:26:00 -
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Jonas Altol wrote:I know I can have up to two alts on my single account, but only one of them can accumulate skill points at a time.
My question is, can I play my main character and an alt at the same time on the same computer?
For example, if I start Eve in windowed mode, can I play my main character in one window and an alt in another window at the same time? Or, do I need two paid account to play two characters at the same time?
Hi there!
The 2 other character slots are kind of useless in EVE. You can't train skills of multiple characters simultaniously if they're on the same account. The other characters unfortunately can't be played either if your main is active.
To have that kind of benefit, you have to have a second whole account for that :)
I mostly use these other characters of the same account for price checking and hauling stuff... and doing the lowlife stuff like scamming, ninja salvaging, etc. if I'm bored. Less yappin', more zappin'! |
Sarpy Aranori
BREAKING-POINT Primal Force
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:29:00 -
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It's annoying that you can't train two at the same time..
Just makes it disgustingly obvious how money hungry CCP are. |
Culmen
0utLaw. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:30:00 -
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You cannot two play alts on the same account at the same time.
There are however many uses for on chracter alts.
For example. Remap one alt to mem/int and train up manufacturing skills. While having another alt specced out for combat. Whenever you want to build something use the first alt.
Train up an alt for research and have it passively collecting research points.
Leave an alt in Jita or another trade hub and use it to check prices.
Train up an alt in haulers and leave it in an NPC corp, when your corp gets war decced, use this alt to haul your stuff.
These things are not mutually exclusive. There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:49:00 -
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I have a 2nd toon on this account that stays in highsec and purchases things for me, and then delivers them to my lowsec staging area.
The more you get into the game, the more uses you will find for them.
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Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2012.06.07 15:54:00 -
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Sarpy Aranori wrote:It's annoying that you can't train two at the same time..
Just makes it disgustingly obvious how money hungry CCP are.
Just like all those other games that allow it...... |
Bossy Lady
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:12:00 -
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Jonas Altol wrote:I know I can have up to two alts on my single account, but only one of them can accumulate skill points at a time.
My question is, can I play my main character and an alt at the same time on the same computer?
For example, if I start Eve in windowed mode, can I play my main character in one window and an alt in another window at the same time? Or, do I need two paid account to play two characters at the same time?
Well the obvious answer is that an alt can be somewhere your main isn't
For instance if my main lives deep in 0.0, then it's extremely convenient to have an alt with a couple of million SP in trading, hauling and so on to go do hi-sec stuff. Rather than train those trading skills on a main character, it's far more efficient and convenient to train them on an alt who lives full-time in a trade hub
Likewise, it's very handy to keep a low-skill cyno alt in a low sec staging point rather than tie up your main in a defenceless cyno ship.
Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1751
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:18:00 -
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Personally, I have two on-account alts which I almost never use. One is sitting in a WH in a probing ship in case I ever want to get back into that WH, the other is sitting in Jita in case I need to check prices or buy something there.
They're not used a ton, but they're handy when I do use them.
There are many uses for on-account alts, pretty much anything that doesn't require constant input from the user is a reasonable thing to do on an alt. |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:29:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:Sarpy Aranori wrote:It's annoying that you can't train two at the same time..
Just makes it disgustingly obvious how money hungry CCP are. Just like all those other games that allow it......please name one.
^^^ This
I use alts for hauling and for PI as passive income. They don't do anything except generate ISK. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
Jonas Altol
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:45:00 -
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So for those of you who have alts sitting in trade hubs. When you buy goods with them, how do you get them to your main character who can be several regions away. Do you have to sit there and manually pilot the alt to your main char's system, transfer the goods from the alt to the main char and then manually pilot the alt back to the trade hub?
Because, it seems to me that if you have to manually fly your alt there and back to transfer goods from a trade hub to the main char (or vice versa), you might as well do it with your main char. Of what benefit is the alt, other than checking prices?
Or am I totally mistaken and you can do remote transfers of goods from the alt char to the main char via contracts or something? And if so, is this even possible given a single account? |
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mxzf
Shovel Bros
1751
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Posted - 2012.06.07 16:48:00 -
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Jonas Altol wrote:So for those of you who have alts sitting in trade hubs. When you buy goods with them, how do you get them to your main character who can be several regions away. Do you have to sit there and manually pilot the alt to your main char's system, transfer the goods from the alt to the main char and then manually pilot the alt back to the trade hub?
Because, it seems to me that if you have to manually fly your alt there and back to transfer goods from a trade hub to the main char (or vice versa), you might as well do it with your main char. Of what benefit is the alt, other than checking prices?
The third option is having the alt create a courier contract to get the stuff to your main. |
Jonas Altol
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:01:00 -
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mxzf wrote:The third option is having the alt create a courier contract to get the stuff to your main. But that has a world of problems, especially if I want to ferry goods:
- The courier that accepts the contract can steal my goods, so I have to set up collateral to be at least my final sell price, discouraging most couriers in the process (because they will have to put up a lot of dough for very little gain).
- The courier will know what is inside the crate and where it's going, making my trade item and route visible to himself and others.
That doesn't sound like a good marketing opportunity, unless I am missing something. |
Culmen
0utLaw. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:06:00 -
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[quote=Jonas Altol Because, it seems to me that if you have to manually fly your alt there and back to transfer goods from a trade hub to the main char (or vice versa), you might as well do it with your main char. Of what benefit is the alt, other than checking prices? [/quote]
Well there is one distinct advantage. Your main might be war decced, your alt might not.
So you main can get shot up by war targets and suicide gankers. You alt only has to deal with suicide gankers.
There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1751
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:13:00 -
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Jonas Altol wrote:mxzf wrote:The third option is having the alt create a courier contract to get the stuff to your main. But that has a world of problems, especially if I want to ferry goods:
- The courier that accepts the contract can steal my goods, so I have to set up collateral to be at least my final sell price, discouraging most couriers in the process (because they will have to put up a lot of dough for very little gain).
- The courier will know what is inside the crate and where it's going, making my trade item and route visible to himself and others.
That doesn't sound like a good marketing opportunity, unless I am missing something.
Well, the collateral process is quite well known and reasonable, experienced contract haulers are completely used to it (hint: a courier contract moving from trade-hub-to-trade-hub with 500k+ ISK/jump reward and a non-absurd collateral will probably be picked up by a freighter pilot and delivered within a day or two). Also consider Red Frog Freight, a well-established hauling corp.
And I'm not sure the courier can see what's inside without opening it and forfeiting the collateral. |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:17:00 -
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PI is the best use of your other two slots. It takes about a week and a half of training for each away from your main, but once you finish that, you don't have to train any more and you'll get passive income from your other two slots. You can even combine and coordinate your alts' extractions to setup a more complex production chain than you would otherwise be able to pull off on a single character.
Three characters doing full blown PI can go a long way to Plexing your account, depending on how well you read the market and if you setup your colonies in high/low/null/wh and what tax rates you pay. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
336
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Posted - 2012.06.07 17:22:00 -
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Jonas Altol wrote:mxzf wrote:The third option is having the alt create a courier contract to get the stuff to your main. But that has a world of problems, especially if I want to ferry goods:
- The courier that accepts the contract can steal my goods, so I have to set up collateral to be at least my final sell price, discouraging most couriers in the process (because they will have to put up a lot of dough for very little gain).
- The courier will know what is inside the crate and where it's going, making my trade item and route visible to himself and others.
That doesn't sound like a good marketing opportunity, unless I am missing something.
1.) I'm pretty sure you can hide the items within a courier contract. Put all your items in a can, and then courier contract the can. This is called double wrapping, and cargo scanners cannot see through both layers of packaging (they only see one layer deep). I don't recall if items are listed in the courier contract itself... as I don't run them very often.
2.) Red Frog and Black Frog pilots are used to putting up to 1 billion isk in collateral per contract... it's pretty standard. If you're shipping more than that, I recommend you split your items into mulitple courier contracts.
3.) There are TONS of uses for an alt on the same account. While not as versatile as a second account, having an alt on your main account allows you to perhaps mission run on one when things are slow in your main's area of operation. It allows you to earn extra income using fully passive means like RP farming, or what I call "part-time jobs" like PI, Manufacturing, POS Reactions, Copy/Research stuff, and trade... It's also fairly common to buy a character off there character bazaar, and transfer them to one of your "alt" slots... Characters cost several billion, but you can get a lot of bang for your buck!!
4.) CCP used to allow training on all characters on the account simultaneously. This was before my time, but to my understanding it caused a lot of problems with RMT, character farming, and other issues. This is why we don't have it today. Besides, if they brought it back, it would destroy the character bazaar almost overnight!!! |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
75
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Posted - 2012.06.07 18:07:00 -
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Sarpy Aranori wrote:It's annoying that you can't train two at the same time..
Just makes it disgustingly obvious how money hungry CCP are.
Yeah, it's terrible how the primary purpose of an entertainment company is to have you pay them to provide you with entertainment. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.06.07 22:15:00 -
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Jonas Altol wrote:So for those of you who have alts sitting in trade hubs. When you buy goods with them, how do you get them to your main character who can be several regions away. Do you have to sit there and manually pilot the alt to your main char's system, transfer the goods from the alt to the main char and then manually pilot the alt back to the trade hub?
Because, it seems to me that if you have to manually fly your alt there and back to transfer goods from a trade hub to the main char (or vice versa), you might as well do it with your main char. Of what benefit is the alt, other than checking prices?
Or am I totally mistaken and you can do remote transfers of goods from the alt char to the main char via contracts or something? And if so, is this even possible given a single account? I don't know why you think the ability to check prices is only a minor benefit. Being able to check prices whenever you choose to is the only way to get the right deal at the right time. Besides, a trading alt isn't necessarily buying items on behalf of your main but could be buying and selling as a means of generating profit.
My way of looking at same-account alts is to regard them as parts of a greater whole. Training one character to fulfil multiple roles takes an awfully long time, but if you start three characters on separate accounts, train two of them separately to any desired level, then transfer them to your main account, you achieve a level of versatility that would take very much longer on just one character.
My main is a Gallente, armour-tanking, drone-using explorer. This character (Oraac) is a Caldari, shield-tanking, missile-using mission runner with a sideline in mining for when I want to be semi-afk or just can't be bothered to do anything more demanding. His shield tanking also makes him a decent hauler. I have a third character training for a purely commercial role as a trader.
When the two alts have reached what I consider to be an acceptable level they'll be transferred to my main account and only receive further training when it's necessary and/or convenient. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
243
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Posted - 2012.06.07 22:52:00 -
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Price checking alts are nice.
However with eve-central it isn't really needed, as 1 go to the website gives you the price over multiple regions if you want too. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.06.07 23:05:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Price checking alts are nice.
However with eve-central it isn't really needed, as 1 go to the website gives you the price over multiple regions if you want too. I always look at Eve-central before buying anything but have found that their lowest prices are rarely still currently available. |
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Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club
49
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Posted - 2012.06.08 01:25:00 -
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My main lives in lowsec and has outlaw status, so I can be attacked by any player without CONCORD, gate or station response, and if I fly into highsec space I'm automatically a target for faction police.
My same account alts are highsec based, with a small range of trading and hauling skills that didn't take very long to train, and keep me supplied with ships and modules that would be difficult or expensive to get hold of otherwise. They also fund most of my pvp activity (crime pays, but really badly).
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
560
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Posted - 2012.06.08 03:57:00 -
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Alts are extremely useful when you're flying Jump Freighters or capital ships. I have three characters on my alt account to light cynos for my main, and three characters on my main account to light cynos for my alts. It takes about a week to train for basic cyno operation, not a big loss in terms of training time. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
743
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:11:00 -
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I have 7 accounts so a lot of alts. One of those accounts is dedicated to just training alts! When trained, I transfer the character to one of the other accounts.
* Manufacturing alts. * Research alts. * Mining alts. * No-skill price checking alts. * No-skill scouting alts. * No-skill forum posting alts. * Trading alts. * Cyno alts. * Hauling alts. * Probing alts. * POS gunner alts. * PvP alts (example: frigate alt, BC alt, SB alt).
You can also buy characters from the Character Bazaar to fill your collection of alts. |
malaire
422
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:53:00 -
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Jonas Altol wrote: The courier that accepts the contract can steal my goods, so I have to set up collateral to be at least my final sell price, discouraging most couriers in the process (because they will have to put up a lot of dough for very little gain). e.g. Push Industries will move cargo in highsec for 400,000 ISK per jump, with upto 1 billion ISK collateral. Red Frog Freight has similar prices. You don't need to care that "most" pilots might ignore your contract when there are courier corporations who do not ignore it.
For trading I have main in Dodixie and alt in Jita. When I bought items in Jita with my alt, which I wanted to sell in Dodixie, I used to contract them to my main, then autopilot to Jita (with empty cargo) and then manually fly them back. But this took so much time that in the end I decided to use courier services. In my opinion 400,000 ISK per jump for 1 billion ISK cargo is dirt cheap.
Jonas Altol wrote: The courier will know what is inside the crate and where it's going, making my trade item and route visible to himself and others. That doesn't sound like a good marketing opportunity, unless I am missing something. Yes, there is that risk. However when you make private contract to courier corporation (e.g. Push Industries), only they will be able to see the route, and I believe only person who accepts it will be able to see contents.
I did not want to use public contracts because then anyone would've been able to see just how much I transport and on what routes. Using private contracts solved that. And I decided that I can live with the risk that person taking it will check what it contains.
ps. I started with same-account Jita-alt, but later when my trading activies increased I switched to using Jita-alt on 2nd account.
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Tobey Darkness
Untitled 7
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:04:00 -
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There are three characterslots on each account for a reason. Alts in Eve work the same way as alts in other MMOs with the difference that you have only three slots in Eve and eight or ten in other MMOs. And like you can not level more than one character at a time in other games, you can not train more than one charakter at a time in eve. Alts are used for things, your main character can't do. Some people like to specialize their characters. Some people have one char for null, one for high sec. Some people do griefing and scamming with one and be friendly and helpful with the other.
In other games one character is skilled for a special crafting profession, one character is used for ninjalooting, one for being the tank and one for being the healer. And you can only train / level one at a time.
I have my main char with a large amount of skillpoints. It costs a lot to buy new clones when the character dies. So I have made a new character for pvp only. Low skillpoints, low clonecosts but still able to compete in fleetfights. New ships and money are supplied by my main who does PI, Missioning and Mining.
I don't see a reason to have more than one account and seven really seems to be an overkill. When I need a scout, hauler or someone who keeps the gankers off my miningship, I ask a corpmate to help out. Makes a lot more fun than doing it alone. |
Major Trant
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.06.08 16:26:00 -
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I normally run with two account, but recently I sent myself a buddy invite and set up a third account. I got 21 days free game time on the new account and paid for another 60 days, but got a free Plex redeemed on my main account which covered 30 of those days. In addition, my new account received a Celebral Accellerator which I sold for 320M Isk, almost the price of a Plex at the time.
So in effect those 81 days of training time cost me virtually nothing, but I ended up with a Charon pilot whom I then transfered into one of my alt slots on this account and shut down the new account.
I don't use my Charon pilot very often but when I do she is incredibly useful and has made me a lot of money on some big trade deals that needed a Charon hauling capability. Not to mention just moving my own gear when it was time to move house.
Of course I could have trained my main character up to fly a Charon, but there is no way I would put this character into a Charon while I'm in one of the RvB corps. In addition I've been pretty mobile on this character and lived in both low and null for periods. The only practical way to operate a Charon on this char would be to drop corp each time I wanted to use it and then clone jump to where ever I parked the thing.
My third slot is taken up with a low skill pilot that can operate a Bestower and a Noctis (about a day of training). She supports my mission runner on my second account. On my second account, I have the mission runner who can also manufacture, then two alts. One is a CEO sitting/price checker alt. The other I allocated just under 900K skill points to, just enough to keep him within the free clone upgrade cost. He can pilot a Bestower and Noctis, all the T1 Frigs and some of the T1 Cruisers, run prototype cloaking device and light a Cyno. I use him to support this character and he was particularly useful in null scouting out gates. If I lost him, even when podded, it was for the cost of a T1 fitted slasher and sometimes a cloak. I could light a cyno with him for my corps mates JF and then just leave him on his own outside the station while the cyno timer ticked down without anyone having to undock carriers to protect him.
If we had ten alt slots I could fill them! They are vital.
I don't want to be able to train on multiple alts at the same time. Whilst it sounds nice for me, the problem is that everyone else would get the same benefit and the competition in every area of specilization would triple. No thanks. |
Iria Ahrens
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
47
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Posted - 2012.06.09 11:30:00 -
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Sarpy Aranori wrote:It's annoying that you can't train two at the same time..
Just makes it disgustingly obvious how money hungry CCP are.
Oh please.
It doesn't matter what game you play, you can only level/train/play one character per account at a time. The only difference is EVE allows offline training. No one bitches about the advantages of being able to play one character while leveling up another.
There are two kinds of player. -áThe kind that adapts to the game, and the kind that expect the game to adapt to them. -áDo don't a number 2 on EvE. -áThank you. |
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