But everyone tells us to go into low and null its so great, are you sure your not trying to steal hi sec by stealth ?

actually, most nullsec corps would rather recruit a willing newbie in a rifter who wants to learn about PvP than some risk-averse kdr bear in a proteus who will warp off the second anything remotely threatening shows up

so no, nobody in nullsec wants you

you already tried and failed at the nullsec game, but at least you tried

A hisec hulk miner is the EVE equivalent of a homeless guy dumpster diving for aluminum cans and old copper pipes to sell to scrap collectors while bragging to others about being free from the shackles of "overlords" while getting trash thrown at him by the nullsec "burger flippers" in their BMWs

In case this needs clarification, hi sec hosts somewhat more than Hulk miners.

can't forget the mission bots

Wonder why they left wonderland to come add lag to The Forge.

A hisec hulk miner is the EVE equivalent of a homeless guy dumpster diving for aluminum cans and old copper pipes to sell to scrap collectors while bragging to others about being free from the shackles of "overlords" while getting trash thrown at him by the nullsec "burger flippers" in their BMWs

I'm working on it. I spoke with a very friendly person from a corp called Goonswarms (I hope I'm spelling that right), and he said there was an application processing fee. I told him I didn't have much ISK, so he suggested I purchase PLEX and buy a Hulk to mine the rest.

I can't wait to join Goonswarms! They seem so friendly and helpful.

So if I am a hi-sec carebear perfectly happy mining and idustrializing, and I'm happy with the income it provides me, tell me what incentive I have to go somewhere that I can get more readily shot up. I don't whine or ask for more protection in high-sec, I understand that being ganked is part of the game, I'm just asking what it is that a null-sec alliance can offer me that I should go out of my way for them.

Because CCP broke risk/reward throughout the game by nerfing anomalies into the ground and adding farmable vanguards to hisec?

2. the majority of null isnt made up of predators who maliciously want to ruin the game for noobs some of us actually care about other peoples gameplay experience.

Every type of space deserves to have good gameplay.

Oh, so they shipped all the assholes to hisec? That or these caring individuals are actually funding a campaign of harassment against the very players they want to cuddle with?

casual

Every type of space deserves to have good gameplay.

go to null

pick an alliance, any alliance, i dont care just join an alliance and stop crying about how your high sec has been nerfed .

So if I am a hi-sec carebear perfectly happy mining and idustrializing, and I'm happy with the income it provides me, tell me what incentive I have to go somewhere that I can get more readily shot up. I don't whine or ask for more protection in high-sec, I understand that being ganked is part of the game, I'm just asking what it is that a null-sec alliance can offer me that I should go out of my way for them.

So why is this thrown around as a valid argument in favor of broken income levels from incursions and whatnot?

So why is this thrown around as a valid argument in favor of broken income levels from incursions and whatnot?

Because EVE is divided by security status, those who venture out and expose themselves to more risk (and more headaches, living in null isn't nearly as easy as living in high sec) should have a better time overall than people who cower in relative safety/convinience.

Eh? Did you even read his post or are you so blinded by your own agenda that you just see arguments that aren't there?

This is revealing, and explains what at first seemed to be irrational hatred for people playing in High Sec.

Somebody can't stand the though that someone else might be having more fun. Or at least too much fun.

There are a couple pathologies that involve that kind of thinking. Not that this would be diagnostic of course.

and not being able to partake in the best content the game has to offer)

This is really the crux of the argument for me tbh. PvP isn't 'the best content' in the game for everyone, it's just one aspect of the game. A lot of people stay in highsec because they are interested in other parts of the 'sandbox' other than shooting other players, and the thought of going to nullsec and having to engage in direct PvP and blob warfare holds no interest for them.

Saying group A should move out of the part of the game they personally find fun and into group B's 'game' just because group B enjoys it more is like a highsec mission runner suggesting Rooks and Kings should move into highsec because the mission runner finds rescuing the Damsel 500 times to be great fun.

Horses for courses.

"Every types of space deserves good game play, but some types of space deserve better resources because of the Risk/Reward nature of the game".

Because EVE is divided by security status, those who venture out and expose themselves to more risk (and more headaches, living in null isn't nearly as easy as living in high sec) should have a better time overall than people who cower in relative safety/convinience.

This is called "reading what you want into something".

I never mentioned pvp. By content I mean everything (I guess pvp can be included). I'm talking plexes,, things like incursions, isk making oppurtunites ect ect.

If you accept that things like isk making (and "power mining in hulks") should be less available and less profitible the safer the space, we have no arguement.

I don't want people to pvp if they don't want to, understanding still that this is a pvp game and pvp should not be totally unavoidable.