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Calista Ataley
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Posted - 2009.10.01 03:24:00 -
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Currently, I think having 3 characters in one account is almost pointless. You can't train multiple ones at once meaning you basically pick one character to train everything on or you spread everything out over multiple characters, which makes no sense when you could spend less isk buying a single set of implants and skills for one character and training it on that. I propose an idea that will make alternate characters useful while still allowing those that use alternate accounts the benefits of paying for said extra accounts.
It's a pretty simple idea, you have your intial subscription you pay for your account, you have all 3 of your characters and can use them as you can now, but you may only train one character OR you have the option of paying somewhere in the 2-3 $ range on top of the initial subscription to allow ONE extra character to train at once. This can be expanded to paying 4-5 $ to allow you to train all of the characters on your account at once. Currently I am thinking of just paying the 4-5 $ as something on top of your sub or perhaps paying the same amount of money (or more) to "activate" your other characters as a one time fee, allowing them to have multiple ones training at once. (or perhaps have to pay that 4-5$ every 6 months or so?)
This solution allows you to utilize all of your characters in an account instead of just having one that you constantly train while neglecting the others. Those with alternate accounts will still have the benefits of using multiple accounts, they can dual box and have multiple characters logged on at once. The fee will ONLY allow you to train the other characters, you may NOT use multiple characters at once on one account with the additional fee. This allows those with alts the benefit of said alts, but also allows those that paid the fee to benefit a little bit more from their account, but still no where on the scale of having a whole other account.
Oh, and CCP will make a little bit more money if they were to implement it. Hooray more profit. :\
*dons flame ******ent suit and warps to a safe-spot*
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Eagle Hawkstrike
M.I.M.M.S
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Posted - 2009.10.01 04:22:00 -
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I can see how CCP could stand to make a little bit more but they could also stand to lose money doing this too. As it is some people have that 2nd or 3rd account but they might not have it to use both of them at the same time. I have a friend who's training a 4th account just for research and manufacturing purposes and doesn't want to spend the time putting those skills on one of his other 3 accounts. So with your idea he could drop his research/production account and make it an alt on another account and save 10 or so bucks.
So people in the same situation as him would probably do similar thing causing a net loss for CCP with those players.
Now your idea can stand to make them more cash as i only have 1 account and would like to train all three characters so adding that bit on would benefit me and CCP a little bit but not as much as what they have now. As it is I'm thinking of taking up their deal for a second account even if i don't use it at the same time and that makes them more in that case than if i could train all three characters on 1 account for a smaller increase.
Now its an increase none the less but the question is would CCP be willing to offer such a thing potentially making less than what they could without it.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.10.01 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 01/10/2009 06:41:29
The extra slots aren't useless by any means and I bet most older players are using all of theirs. They also allow you to have more then one set of affiliations, which offers a nice change of pace from your main activities, friends and hostiles.
As for your idea, I can't say it is terribad, but your pricing is just too cheap. Extra 5 bucks for 3 times the training is insanely low. Training two character should be only marginally cheaper then buying a second account. Training all character on one account should be more expensive then paying for another normal account, but naturally cheaper then paying for two extra accounts. That way the option would be there, but it would keep alt accounts almost as viable option as they are today.
This will assure that most alt accounts will remain after the change and those that get switched to training multiple characters on one account, don't seriously impact the ammount of money coming in. This way it would be more about adding versatility in alt training options, then training characters at a discount/farming characters.
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Calista Ataley
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:04:00 -
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I was really just looking to get my idea out there in the first place and hopefully make those alternate characters a bit more useful, by no means was 4-5 $ a definite price, I was just throwing something out there as an example.
Those with older accounts may get more benefit from other characters but there are newer people that may not have much use for them at all. (myself being an example.)
Maybe perhaps allow any characters who haven't hit the skill training limit on other characters to train alongside the other characters until they've hit that limit at least? I really want to put some of my other characters to use but as of right now there isn't any real way to do that. I wouldn't mind paying whatever amount of money to train my other characters so long as it as at least cheaper than buying another account.
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U'los Riddick
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Posted - 2009.10.01 13:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Calista Ataley
Maybe perhaps allow any characters who haven't hit the skill training limit on other characters to train alongside the other characters until they've hit that limit at least?
When I was slightly newer to the game, this was the only way of carrying out your proposal that I could see working. It would also have made me consider purchasing a second account if I'd had a character with a plan and 1600 SP to transfer to it.
If you want a break from your main, being stuck in a completely untrained (and untrainable) character doesn't feel that much fun. The only use that seems obvious to me is using the alt to check prices and avoid war decs, and looks to be therefore just an extension of the main character, not something that can be used in it's own right.
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MIND SCR4MBLER
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:06:00 -
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i support this idea.
Because of various power of 2 offers i ended up with a silly amount of accounts/alts, since i can dual box i.e mine/haul or shoot/salvage or cyno/carrier with my computerist and laptop then its no problem to have 2 accounts, but that means the others were just idling, when i wasnt playing i consolidated all my characters onto just 2 accounts of which my main and indy are perma-training and the others just sit about doing nothing, whilst from a isk/plex point of view its viable to move them back onto new accounts i can't be bothered with the constant login/log out hassle of multiple accounts, so rather than paying for a full account that i'm obviously doing nothing with (i.e no load on the servers) other than paying for sp/hour then it would be more easy to simply pay CCP say 5$ extra/month per character to unlock training on them, that way say i pay $15 a month for 1 account plus $10 to train the other 2 then i still save $5 on the second account, but CCP actually saves overheads because i cannot log-in to all 3 characters at once so they are getting 2/3 of the money but with zero extra server load/bandwidth usage. At the moment its a zero sum gain because i dont feel the need enough to pay for another account to spec up my alt, so CCP gains nothing but if they offered me the choice of 5$ a month to enable its training then i would go for it because i dont have to run another full account but can still "ghost train" it behind my main.
i like idea. if they can charge you moneyz to change your pics between the chars i dont think this would be a big cost for them to implement and i dont see it costing them any more overhead than noting which skills you are training which the extra moneys would cover, and you could still only use 1 account bandwidth/space but they get 65% increase in revenue for one account.
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Calista Ataley
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Posted - 2009.10.01 21:20:00 -
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Again, I'm just looking to make the other characters useful outside of trading, which even then doesn't seem like much for a single character. My thoughts were that we have a way to train them alongside other characters. Please, if there are any other ideas/proposles (SP?) for making them useful, post them, I just had my idea which I thought may work, was just an overall plan and an idea to get CCP a bit more profit so they might like it more.
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Calista Ataley
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Posted - 2009.10.02 11:56:00 -
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Bump.
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Calista Ataley
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Posted - 2009.10.03 05:08:00 -
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PLEASE post your ideas and opinions on this here. I'd really like to see something implemented, ANYTHING really, to see that I can actually get more use out of my other characters.
And next post gets a cookie too.
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codenemisis
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.04 17:11:00 -
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Bump. Would really like to see this idea, make character slots a little bit more useful while keeping alt accounts useful as well.
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Co'chese
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.10.04 18:22:00 -
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here is my suggestion....
first of all CCP isn't going to want to nerf the revenue stream that they are getting from alt accounts but having three slots is kinda useless to new players. to solve this i propose that to be allowed to train a second character on an active account you should have to pay approximately 50% of the monthly subscription fee. so i figure around $7.50-8.00 USD would be acceptable.
this still doesn't address the fact that this is way cheaper than paying for a second account. therefore i propose that the secondary character on your account would only train at 50% speed. so for the first 1.6 million SPs you would train at 100% and after that the character trains for 50%. this allows the second char to be trained but it would not be better to go this route any more so than buying another account.
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Calista Ataley
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Posted - 2009.10.05 01:54:00 -
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The way I see it is that the bonus from having an alt account is that you have an extra player and can be in two places at once, unlike with a second account.
Though I am not opposed to a 50% training decrease, I think it may be a bit much. I'd say 75% of orignal training speed would be fine.
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Calista Ataley
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Posted - 2009.10.06 21:31:00 -
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Come on, please post. :(
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.10.06 23:21:00 -
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The slots are not useless.
- Trader
- Market scout
- PvP scout
- Second R&D char
- Generally PvE char to complement your PvP char
Most of those options don't involve lots of training time. Or they allow you to create seperate specialised characters.
If you want more efficiency, you certainly need a second account. But the second and third character slot is far from useless.
The problem is simply that many players are just lazy or not creative enough to come up with uses. That's definitely not CCP's fault or problem  |
Calista Ataley
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Posted - 2009.10.07 20:56:00 -
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I don't think those things really constitute making another character, save making a scout, and even at that, you'd be logging in and out to scout with it, at which point you may as get another account.
I'm not discouraging alternate accounts here at all, by the way. I just want those other character slots to be more open and useful. As an example, what use would a newer player have for such a character? I remember when I was new that I wanted to train all the characters to fly titans someday, my goals changed once I found out I couldn't train them all at once, I figured there was no point in it because I could simply train whatever other skills on my main character. And if you only using it as a trader, may as well just use a JC or some other quicker way of getting around instead of making a new character.
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