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Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.02 07:09:00 - [1] So occasionally when I'm out deep in nosec doing exploration or out travelling, I'll see a Stealth Bomber fervently going through belts trying to pick out faction spawns. Is this actually a reasonable way to spend time? I mean, faction spawns are meant to be rare -- and that doesn't make them easy in my mind to seek out actively. I understand right off the bat the advantages: Sneaky High DPS Agile But what really twists my mind are the disadvantages: 1500 effective HP Vulnerable to scramming frigates Limited engagement options So basically what I see is this ship is able to tear through belts screaming out some 600 DPS but the ship has no tank whatsoever. I mean one rat with a lucky shot and you're gone. I just took my little Nemesis for a test drive, fitted with: 3 Siege Launchers Cloak MWD 2 TP Cap Recharger (Thinking of swapping for like, civ shield booster) 2 BC Warhead Calefaction Catalyst Bay Loading Accelerator It did okay, but at 50km I got hit by a battlecruiser and he took off half my shields. Sure it regenerated but it made me nervous enough to think twice about this. I guess I could ask what the isk/hour is doing an activity like this, but when people go out do they just seek faction spawns or do they shoot anything? blah www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Nid Hoggur	Posted - 2009.10.02 07:13:00 - [2] Try to replace the MWD with an AB that you can run non-stop to maintain higher velocity. Replace one BC with a MAPC and the cap recharger for a medium shield extender. Works for me.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.02 07:19:00 - [3] Edited by: Terminus Vindictus on 02/10/2009 07:20:46 If you don't light your MWD, or if you fit an AB, the rats will take a fair amount of time to even start targeting you. I can comfortable fire 2-3 volleys before they even know I'm there, and once they start to aggro I simply cloak, then decloak and start firing again, all from point-blank range so I don't have to worry about my missiles not hitting before I re-cloak. You can take out frigs in a couple of volleys, BSs in about 6-7 volleys, and everything else in the middle, especially with good painter support skills which you should have in a SB anyway. Fit a T2 salvager, and grab the most expensive loot while you're at it. It's not the most efficient ratting ship ever, but it's not bad either, and it gives you some options if you get unfriendlies coming into system. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Bun Engine	Posted - 2009.10.02 07:23:00 - [4] Is it feasible to rat with bombs? Do they do enough damage to kill a group of clustered belt spawns?
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.02 07:32:00 - [5] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 02/10/2009 07:34:47 Originally by: Terminus Vindictus ...once they start to aggro I simply cloak, then decloak and start firing again... Cue "You cannot cloak your ship as you are being targeted by someone." Originally by: Bun Engine Is it feasible to rat with bombs? Do they do enough damage to kill a group of clustered belt spawns? Though the damage is reasonable, I doubt it would be cost or time efficient because bombs take up copious amounts of cargo space. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com ò Buy a GTC
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.02 07:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Terminus Vindictus ...once they start to aggro I simply cloak, then decloak and start firing again... Cue "You are unable to cloak your ship as you are being targeted by someone." I time it so I can fire as much as I can before they start targeting me, as I wrote above. I didn't say anything about cloaking while being targeted. It works, I do it all the time when I'm bored with finding empty nullsec systems. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Intigo Amarr Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.10.02 08:39:00 - [7] Stop posting, Siigari. Forever. ___________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Mont...oh f' it.
Chakarr	Posted - 2009.10.02 08:53:00 - [8] I started doing this recently, it's probably not the best isk/hour activity - but it's fun sneaking in and out of 0.0! I use this to rat angels: [Hound, Angel Ratter] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Target Painter II 1MN Afterburner II 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Bane Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Salvager I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Auxiliary Thrusters I Been working out ok so far, I usually just try and take out the battleships and chain the spawns, but it can clear a belt if you need it too. It kills BS & BC easily, Cruisers are ok if there are no webbers, but I just ignore 'all cruiser' spawns and seek out the BS spawns, non elite frigs and dessys are fine when painted. I warp in at 100, decloak, turn on the AB and set a wide orbit keeping transversal as high as possible, nothing really scratches it, and if you make a mistake (which DOES happen) the med extender soaks it up. Manual flying and paying attention are key, your speed negates missile damage and nothing but the frigs and dessys can track you, and the buffer tanks them just fine. The only thing that gives me trouble are the elite scramming/webbing frigs. When dealing with these I align to a celestial, and try to pop them as they close in, if I haven't killed them by the time they get within about 20k I just warp and cloak, and either move on or come back at distance and finish them off. Am thinking about switching out the thrusters for an explosive resistance rig, but otherwise I feel it works pretty well, would love to drop the extender for a 2nd painter, but it's saved my life too many times to risk going in without it. I am interested to try an MWD, but I fear the sig bloom would make tanking much harder. I don't have much trouble with bubbles, although it can be pretty hairy when you see and inty come screaming at you!
el Sabor	Posted - 2009.10.02 09:57:00 - [9] I managed to rat pretty successfully in a purifier. I think I used AB, small shield booster and a target painter. The only problem I came across was elite frigates. Good idea with double TP on the nemesis.
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.10.02 10:10:00 - [10] Ive done it a few times. Its not so bad actualy. Isk per hour isnt great, and you have to pick your targets. You can only carry a limited number of torps too which is also a problem. But looking for faction spawns is what you are there for, and killing the big bs's. Afterall, one faction spawn with a good drop and you'd be sorted for a while. I figuired its best to not to bother with the frigates, they just take to long to kill and are a waste of ammo. Stick to killing the BCs/BS's and use a MWD. Generally the little scrambler frigates dont spawn with the big bs's faction spawns, so if you see those you can generally just leave them be. isk per hour? id say 20/mil per hour with no faction spawns. But one faction spawn with a good drop and that would rise considerably. I use Missile Velocity rigs and generally just stay at 60km, they wont be able to hit you aslong as they dont use missiles (dont rat in angel space in a bomber). Thats about all i can say, apart from its cheaper than flying a bs, you wont ever get caught unless your unlucky/stupid and its really quite safe. Have fun!

Chakarr	Posted - 2009.10.02 10:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Andrea Skye ...dont rat in angel space in a bomber... *Cough* Missiles fired from Angels do F-all to you when travelling at 800+ m/s...I know, coz I rat in Angel space in a bomber
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.10.02 11:27:00 - [12] I bet faction hunting after downtime is best job for sb in pve... /second best is fw missions if you got alt to speed tank/.
Darcon Kylote Terminal Impact Kairakau	Posted - 2009.10.02 11:35:00 - [13] The reason many people do this, myself included, is to gain sec status quickly. You want to kill one high bounty rat per system and move on to the next immediately for the highest sec status gain. Bombers are perfect for this because they are designed to kill BSs, and they can move quickly between hostile 0.0 systems, because they are very good at moving through bubble camps. As to surviving against the rats, fit with max range missile rigs, and/or T2 Javelin torps, warp to the belt at 50km, pump up your transversal to the rats with your AB on, and they'll never even come close to hitting you. -- Terminal Impact is recruiting PVPers for fun ops in NPC 0.0 space. Visit our website or join ingame channel "the tict pub".
slightly sillydude	Posted - 2009.10.02 12:21:00 - [14] Its awesome for ratting in 0.0 if you have low skills and no corpmates. Kills rats decently and can also chase away players in BC's and BS's if you fit a few sensor damps (the manticore is the only one that can really get away with this, you really need at least 1 TP)
General Paul Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.02 12:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Darcon Kylote The reason many people do this, myself included, is to gain sec status quickly. Confirming this, I use stealth ratting to sec up and don't really mind the isk rewards. I tend to carry an offlined salvager in case of a faction spawn but as long as you get to the bs rats before decloaking you can orbit it at 500, kill all the support (and any further off bs) and pop your orbiting dude before most have locked. Ive also ratted vs guristas in venal and surrounding useing a med buffer manticore, it tanks just fine vs 3 bs spawns.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.02 12:36:00 - [16] was able to actually use a med extender in the bomber. increases its survivability quite a bit, when paired with a damage control. in addition, I used polys in the rig slots. to be noticed tho, the nemesis and manticore don't deal that well with such setups due to the lack of lows however. here's the nullsec bomber "do-all" setup I managed to get. unfortunately, due to the lack of cpu I couldn't fit the damage control. Removing the launcher, you can swap one of the ANP's and the MAPC for something else. Quote: [Purifier, New Setup 1] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Bomb Launcher I, Electron Bomb Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I 2km/sec wich is not too shabby tbh, and you have arround 8 cpu and 2 grid left. EHP with my skills is in the 3.5k range. the purifier, as far as I can see, is probably the only bomber that can combine bomb launcher, T2 sieges, speed, and some defence without dedicating that much slots for fitting mods. Hound is doable too, but you need to use more expensive named MAPC's, and no way you can do that with the diminutive power grids and lack of low slots of the nemesis and manticore. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Xephys Dark Twilight Solutions	Posted - 2009.10.02 12:51:00 - [17] Shield tank + ANPs... Ok.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.02 12:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Xephys Shield tank + ANPs... Ok. I tried to slam a dmg control there but hey, try to get a better fit with just 8 cpu and 4 grid then at least this way, you nullify the armor decrease of the polys. Not a stellar fit I know, but it did its job in the immensea contract we had. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
goazer Amarr Dark Amarr Brotherhood	Posted - 2009.10.02 14:18:00 - [19] Edited by: goazer on 02/10/2009 14:23:11 Edited by: goazer on 02/10/2009 14:22:28 IIRC I used Manticore with double TP's and double sensorboosters with targeting range scripts against Serpentis. Javelin torps, kinetic ones and then I had BCU at low. So basically I had over 500 dps and plenty of range so scrambling rats werent a issue at all since the fat rat died before they got into range. But it's really fragile. And yes, I did just what OP planned. I was hunting faction spawns, worked fine. Got couple nice mods while raising my sec status from -10.00 to positive EDIT: Double SB because those damn serpentis rats did damp me so I threw in those to compensate it EDIT2: Found it! [Manticore, Rat] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Javelin Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Javelin Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Javelin Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Over 400 dps 100+ km range Sometimes smaller rats came closer, like 50 km, I put both TP's on them and gave little javelin love
Deva Blackfire Viziam	Posted - 2009.10.02 15:04:00 - [20] Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 02/10/2009 15:06:46 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Xephys Shield tank + ANPs... Ok. I tried to slam a dmg control there but hey, try to get a better fit with just 8 cpu and 4 grid then at least this way, you nullify the armor decrease of the polys. Not a stellar fit I know, but it did its job in the immensea contract we had. Drop to arbalests and add BCU. Should net more DPS. Also if you are hunting only battleships you might drop TP and add another BCU (dont remember exact amount of CPU used tho, might not fit). When NPCing i generally try not to use bombs - you can carry only 3-4 total which is not enough. its better to fill hold with torps (also 2 torp salvos = 1 bomb, so after a while you are at advantage using plain torps). But when its for ganking NPCers it will work great (bomb+torps are just win). Quote: So basically what I see is this ship is able to tear through belts screaming out some 600 DPS but the ship has no tank whatsoever. I mean one rat with a lucky shot and you're gone. I just took my little Nemesis for a test drive, fitted with: 3 Siege Launchers Cloak MWD 2 TP Cap Recharger (Thinking of swapping for like, civ shield booster) 2 BC Warhead Calefaction Catalyst Bay Loading Accelerator If you can get manti. Better natural damage type vs serps. AB is also worth considering, you can pretty much permarun it compared to MWD. Tho its crap vs bubble camps (bomber is so slow that actually you can get decloaked before you leave bub with AB).

Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.02 16:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 02/10/2009 15:06:46 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Xephys Shield tank + ANPs... Ok. I tried to slam a dmg control there but hey, try to get a better fit with just 8 cpu and 4 grid then at least this way, you nullify the armor decrease of the polys. Not a stellar fit I know, but it did its job in the immensea contract we had. Drop to arbalests and add BCU. Should net more DPS. Also if you are hunting only battleships you might drop TP and add another BCU (dont remember exact amount of CPU used tho, might not fit). When NPCing i generally try not to use bombs - you can carry only 3-4 total which is not enough. its better to fill hold with torps (also 2 torp salvos = 1 bomb, so after a while you are at advantage using plain torps). But when its for ganking NPCers it will work great (bomb+torps are just win). I could had downgraded from T2 to arbalest, but javs were useful during the op. so yes, it's either more flexibility or more damage, I went for more flexibility and ended up having to slam ANP II's in lows. Believe me when I say that I really had no choice, considering the setup I used. anyways I totally derailed this thread, since I was talking about pvp setups and not ninja ratting for ninja ratting go for the bomber that deals the best dmg vs the rats you are hunting, so vs angels, you will want to use a hound. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Deva Blackfire Viziam	Posted - 2009.10.02 18:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Grimpak so yes, it's either more flexibility or more damage, I went for more flexibility and ended up having to slam ANP II's in lows. Believe me when I say that I really had no choice, considering the setup I used. Sorry for a bit more OT but: consider 2x inertia stab (instead of anp) and 2x aux thruster rigs instead of polycarbons. polys are really weak now and as ANPs dont help you much the above change will increase overall agility and speed of the ship.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.02 18:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Grimpak so yes, it's either more flexibility or more damage, I went for more flexibility and ended up having to slam ANP II's in lows. Believe me when I say that I really had no choice, considering the setup I used. Sorry for a bit more OT but: consider 2x inertia stab (instead of anp) and 2x aux thruster rigs instead of polycarbons. polys are really weak now and as ANPs dont help you much the above change will increase overall agility and speed of the ship. yes that might be an alternative. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Chakarr	Posted - 2009.10.04 10:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Deva Blackfire AB is also worth considering, you can pretty much permarun it compared to MWD. Tho its crap vs bubble camps (bomber is so slow that actually you can get decloaked before you leave bub with AB). Confirming that AB is not really fast enough for bubbles, I got decloaked the other day in a bubble, the AB just didn't get me out of the way quickly enough, lost my first bomber will be switching to an MWD from now on
Dracthera Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.04 17:23:00 - [25] Originally by: Chakarr Originally by: Deva Blackfire AB is also worth considering, you can pretty much permarun it compared to MWD. Tho its crap vs bubble camps (bomber is so slow that actually you can get decloaked before you leave bub with AB). Confirming that AB is not really fast enough for bubbles, I got decloaked the other day in a bubble, the AB just didn't get me out of the way quickly enough, lost my first bomber will be switching to an MWD from now on Same here. I was trying a ratting setup fitted with an AB instead of an MWD, and I was just too slow to get out of the bubble by the time the inty was on top of me. Lesson learned the hard way. Apto Quod Ususfructus
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.10.04 18:54:00 - [26] If you want to ninja Angels get a Pilgrim. Wherever you went - Here you are.
ZigZag Joe Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.05 18:55:00 - [27] anything less than two BCS on a bomber = fail I had good luck vs. angels with a hound w/ MSE II. 2 bcs, mapc, mse, mwd (change to ab), painter 3 arby launcher, cloak. Wonder if a plinker turret (125 ac? lol) in the spare high might help a little with tackle frigs.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.10.05 19:15:00 - [28] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 05/10/2009 19:16:51 Manticore works reasonably well against serpentis. The tackling frigates are not that much of a problem in my experience as you can just keep kiting them by pulsing the MWD, it wont take that long to drop the BS spawns. Or just ignore those spawns completely if you want to play it safe. That said, I've lost one manti while being a bit careless, getting too close to a group of BSs and BCs, and taking wrecking hits from all of them in a matter of 2 seconds. Popped before I could react despite being prealigned, but thats a case of me being an idiot combined with some really bad luck. On the upside, its travel on easy mode, which is a good thing as the ammo capacity is rather limited. Also, forget about bombs, they are too expensive and bulky, and dont take out BS spawns.
Col Callahan Caldari The Lazy Boys	Posted - 2009.10.06 00:18:00 - [29] I had no idea until I read this thread that SB would work so well as a ratting ship but after taking a good long look at it I now feel that its the best ship in the game to run from belt to belt killing NPC. My fit.... HI-Cloak, 3x launchers MED-Med SE, Invuln, TP, AB LOW-2 BCU RIG-2 power grid rigs I get a little more DPS than a ratting BS, more speed and a covert cloak. I also have not even had to sweat about my tank, passive regen seems to work just fine. I heard you the last time.


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