Why some of us don't PVP as much as we'd like to, and what can be done to fix that.

do you actually play this game?

I don't think so, by the sounds of it he's playing Progress Quest. It's not the implants stopping you from doing pvp, it's you, plain and simple. Your own compulsion to maintain the top rate of training is hampering your ability to just ditch the implants for a while and go shoot and be shot. Some people believe that skill points are everything in this game, they'd be surprised to learn that player experience counts for more.

WTF difference does it make that you're training slightly slower than some PVE-only toon who never changes jump clones? You obviously won't be facing them in PVP. If you are so OCD that you can't bear to think that you're not training at the maximum possible rate that is no reason to change the game for everyone else.

I've never had anything better than +3s... and I've quit EVE for a while ... maybe I can put in a petition to recover all of those "lost" skill points ... what do you think?

I agree that implants will tend to make NEW players less likely to PVP because of the stupid-long grind to get standings for jump clones. I couldn't care less about experienced players who know what they're doing and have access to jump clones but are too lazy or OCD to use them.

I would support two changes in this area:

1. Change the jump clone timer to be distance based. If you jump to a clone in the same system the cooldown is only an hour. If you jump across the universe you get the full 24 hours.

2. Lower standings requirements for jump clones, or give everyone an additional jump clone slot that requires less standings and can only contain a clone with no implants. A throw-away clone if you will. Or some more clever variation on this that allows newer players who can't easily afford to replace their shiny new implants easy access to a pvp clone.

Slightly slower?

Dude, do this...

Make a skill plan in EveMon, and add 800 days worth of skills.

Then, use that option that shows training with implants as opposed to without.

You CANNOT POSSIBLY tell me that the 120+ day difference is "slightly slower".

120 days is a LOT of ******* time, time that I would have some **** I need trained, as opposed to not having it.

There is some merit to what the OP said. Even if his post spawned from bad intentions, frustration from a personal pod loss, that doesn't mean what he says is not true. Go to high-sec and run some missions with some noobs. Running lvl 4's with new people not only grants you good Karma, but you can get the prospective of Eve from the eyes of a new person. (Plus it's fun to hear someone get really excited over 10mil isk.) You will find that implants are a huge deterrent for new people to pvp. Many people feel that they need to wear implants around the clock because they are soooo far behind in SP from everyone else. Without an experienced player guiding a noob through the skill tree, it can become very daunting. If one specializes they can become quite effective in a single ship quite quick, but this is not always seen through the eyes of the new person.

Actually, I have not lost a pod in err 760 days.

But that's only because a few lost +4 clones in a row back then have turned me into a SB pilot, which caused me to not lose a pod in ages.

Still, I would much rather be in a BC or BS or dread or interceptor or HAC. But I can't because of fear of losing my pod again.

Basically you want to trivialize the clone/implants system. Death must have a meaning. HTFU.

yeah... a set of +5 certainly cost more than that dread does

Death has enough meaning when I lose my ship and everything on it, no need to **** up my skill plan with an antique **** game play mechanic that didn't age well at all.

I understand losing a hardwire combat clone, because it actually gave me an advantage in PVP, but ******* LEARNING IMPLANTS? Give me a break.

What I do care about is my wallet being 300 mils more empty every time I lose a Stealth Bomber or a Drake.

Implants are like ships, don't use what you can't afford to lose.

Implants are like ships, don't use what you can't afford to lose.

Also, stop min/maxing your training. If you want to do PVP, then do it. Stop fretting about having to wait 6 more hours to get that skill that takes 26 days to train anyway.

If I plug in a slave set, I give up learning speed in exchange for a significant armor buff. I use +4 implants most of the time because +5s are more than I care to pay.

It's perfectly fine for parasite care bears to stay in their +4 and +5 clones for years on end, and never lose them, and train at full speed, while I get penalized for PVPing.

Oh, so training my skills at a decent speed is something I don't have to utilize right?

It's perfectly fine for parasite care bears to stay in their +4 and +5 clones for years on end, and never lose them, and train at full speed, while I get penalized for PVPing.

Your logic, there is none.

Yeah man, but training stuff fast is very important...

Why do I seem to be the only guy that thinks that?