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Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 03:59:00 - [1] I have read many many posts about this process. Most of the threads and resource lists are very out of date. I also think that I am confused about the BT - Bounty/Assassination Service. I may be the one who is wrong, but I think that BT means that the name of an individual is provided. That individual is assassinated. The Assassin is given a bounty. If you agree with that definition and are a Merc who is looking for a BT contract please contact me.
Lana's Alt Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.10.05 04:57:00 - [2] wat Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.
Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 05:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Lana's Alt wat You mean "What"? Meaning you would like some more information? Simple: I pay a price for each "Frozen Corpse" of a very specific individual. I do not know what other details will help. Feel free to ask, but please speak in complete sentences.
Lana's Alt Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.10.05 05:10:00 - [4] Edited by: Lana''s Alt on 05/10/2009 05:11:06 Ah, so your after an assassination of someone then. Your 2 options would be to either contract someone to do it in which case they will likely want some isk up front so they can wardec the target (and so they get some sort of payment for the effort), or to just say who it is here and how much you are willing to pay.. There are enough greifers read here that this can also work.. It'll mean you might start getting random contracts for the guys corpse, but thats what you want right? Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.
Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 05:15:00 - [5] Correct, that is what I want. I would prefer not to post the name here just because I don't want to be getting contracts forever after. Yes I would like to hire someone. That is why I posted here. I do not know how to find someone to do it. Everyone I wrote from the resource list said they would not assassinate an individual, they would only wardeck a corp. This person is in a corp, but hangs out in lowsec. Shouldn't be a problem for someone in this line of work. Any griefers who want a hunt tell me your price per corpse.
Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 05:39:00 - [6] Does this help? Name: Security: -10.0 Corp: [Yes in a corp if that matters] Alliance: NONE Faction: NONE Ship: Ishkur Frigate Weapon: Light Ion Blaster II Is 50 Million Isk per corpse for a player in a frigate overkill?
Admiral Zulema	Posted - 2009.10.05 07:03:00 - [7] Yes indeed the corp matters, and if the corp is in an alliance that matters too, if its a large corp/alliance with alot of active players that means more isk up front. I will contact you in game for the details but I promise you its going to be more than 50M.
Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 07:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Admiral Zulema Yes indeed the corp matters, and if the corp is in an alliance that matters too, if its a large corp/alliance with alot of active players that means more isk up front. I will contact you in game for the details but I promise you its going to be more than 50M. That is really great to know. Thank you. I obviously don't understand a lot about this. It seems like there are a lot of players in this game just randomly blasting at anyone in lowsec that I didn't think there were any details of concern. I would be very interested to hear why I can't find someone to take a contract for a hit. Everyone would rather declare war on a corp. I would love to understand all of this better. Back to the point though. Thank you for your response. I look forward to getting your email in game.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.05 07:21:00 - [9] If you truly want to punish someone, and you have very deep pockets, hire mercenaries against their corp repeatedly and continuously until the corp either folds or kicks the person(s) you don't like out. This may or may not work, but it's much more effective an approach than going after an individual. Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast
Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 07:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Jimer Lins If you truly want to punish someone, and you have very deep pockets, hire mercenaries against their corp repeatedly and continuously until the corp either folds or kicks the person(s) you don't like out. This may or may not work, but it's much more effective an approach than going after an individual. See this is exactly what I am talking about. People keep coming up with excuses why they won't/can't go after an individual. I really do not understand. I do not want to declare war. I do not want to bring down a corp. I don't want to get them kicked out of their corp. I just want to annoy the F*** out of someone and I want the corpses as mementos.

Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.05 07:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Indemaking Originally by: Jimer Lins If you truly want to punish someone, and you have very deep pockets, hire mercenaries against their corp repeatedly and continuously until the corp either folds or kicks the person(s) you don't like out. This may or may not work, but it's much more effective an approach than going after an individual. See this is exactly what I am talking about. People keep coming up with excuses why they won't/can't go after an individual. I really do not understand. I do not want to declare war. I do not want to bring down a corp. I don't want to get them kicked out of their corp. I just want to annoy the F*** out of someone and I want the corpses as mementos. Because if you offer a high enough bounty, they'll clonejump to a clone without implants, pod themselves repeatedly and laugh themselves silly while selling you the corpses for stupid amounts of ISK. If you want to hunt them down individually, do it yourself- it's the only way you're not going to get scammed. Otherwise, hire mercs to kill everyone in his corp over and over. Nothing gets people's knickers in a twist than getting shot at because their corpmate acted like a douche. If you want to make people unhappy, that's a great way to do it. Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast
Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 08:14:00 - [12] I understand that about Bounty. Thats why I am not doing this with a bounty. I am actually looking to hire someone to do the job for me, just as though I were doing it. I really can't believe this is so complicated. OK fine. Give me a price. How much for what you are suggesting and I get ALL the corpses? It is not the service I want, but if this is the only service Merc's offer in EVE or you will just scam me then tell me how much for what you want to do?
Admiral Zulema	Posted - 2009.10.05 08:42:00 - [13] Send me in an evemail with all the details you have on the character. Ill be logged on in about 4 1/2 hours. I'll read what you have and if I'm interested in doing this for you. I'll contact you in game at that time.
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.05 09:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Indemaking I understand that about Bounty. Thats why I am not doing this with a bounty. I am actually looking to hire someone to do the job for me, just as though I were doing it. I really can't believe this is so complicated. You really don't understand, do you? If you offer ISK for his corpse (not using the bounty system), then he simply pods himself repeatedly and sells you the corpses via an alt. If you demand killmails, he kills himself with the alt and sells you the corpses. If you demand killmails plus video, he uses FRAPS and records himself killing himself with the alt, and THEN sells you the corpses. There is no means by which you can collect the corpses of a target in this fashion and not have it be a scam. The people offering to help you are, more likely than not, counting on the fact that you're obviously a carebear and/or pretty ignorant of the way the game works, and they plan to contact the target once you've told them who it is and work out something that's gonna end up a 10-page lolfest on this very forum by having the target provide corpses and splitting the payout. Once they squeeze you for every ISK they can, they'll mock you openly. Part of the reason you can't find anyone to help you is because there's no percentage in it. Targeting a specific individual means being online when they are, being able to attack them, and secure the corpse. You also have to either pay the wardec fee or take a security hit to take them out. Nobody's interested in doing that kind of ** work for long because it really is work. Bounty hunters don't exist because the game mechanics simply don't allow for it to be viable. You can't wardec an individual, you can't take the sec hit without the wardec (podding someone is a BIG sec hit) even if you could get the pod- which is next to impossible anywhere but 0.0, and working under a declared war means all his buddies can help. Nobody does it because it sucks on toast. Quote:** OK fine. Give me a price. How much for what you are suggesting and I get ALL the corpses? It is not the service I want, but if this is the only service Merc's offer in EVE or you will just scam me then tell me how much for what you want to do? The reason for going with mercenaries is that you can verify their reputation and their past activities. If you wish to engage Noir.'s services, contact Alekseyev Karrde in-game. If you want to hire another merc corp, the "Merc Contracts" channel in-game is a good place to start. But I don't think many merc corps will be interested in a corpse-collecting contract, tbh. If you want his corpse, you're gonna have to sack up and go get it yourself (or get scammed out of every penny in your wallet). If you want to actually HURT him, you'll want to go after him and his mates. Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast
Admiral Zulema	Posted - 2009.10.05 09:18:00 - [15] Edited by: Admiral Zulema on 05/10/2009 09:23:06 Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Indemaking I understand that about Bounty. Thats why I am not doing this with a bounty. I am actually looking to hire someone to do the job for me, just as though I were doing it. I really can't believe this is so complicated. You really don't understand, do you? If you offer ISK for his corpse (not using the bounty system), then he simply pods himself repeatedly and sells you the corpses via an alt. If you demand killmails, he kills himself with the alt and sells you the corpses. If you demand killmails plus video, he uses FRAPS and records himself killing himself with the alt, and THEN sells you the corpses. There is no means by which you can collect the corpses of a target in this fashion and not have it be a scam. The people offering to help you are, more likely than not, counting on the fact that you're obviously a carebear and/or pretty ignorant of the way the game works, and they plan to contact the target once you've told them who it is and work out something that's gonna end up a 10-page lolfest on this very forum by having the target provide corpses and splitting the payout. Once they squeeze you for every ISK they can, they'll mock you openly. Part of the reason you can't find anyone to help you is because there's no percentage in it. Targeting a specific individual means being online when they are, being able to attack them, and secure the corpse. You also have to either pay the wardec fee or take a security hit to take them out. Nobody's interested in doing that kind of ** work for long because it really is work. Bounty hunters don't exist because the game mechanics simply don't allow for it to be viable. You can't wardec an individual, you can't take the sec hit without the wardec (podding someone is a BIG sec hit) even if you could get the pod- which is next to impossible anywhere but 0.0, and working under a declared war means all his buddies can help. Nobody does it because it sucks on toast. Quote:** OK fine. Give me a price. How much for what you are suggesting and I get ALL the corpses? It is not the service I want, but if this is the only service Merc's offer in EVE or you will just scam me then tell me how much for what you want to do? The reason for going with mercenaries is that you can verify their reputation and their past activities. If you wish to engage Noir.'s services, contact Alekseyev Karrde in-game. If you want to hire another merc corp, the "Merc Contracts" channel in-game is a good place to start. But I don't think many merc corps will be interested in a corpse-collecting contract, tbh. If you want his corpse, you're gonna have to sack up and go get it yourself (or get scammed out of every penny in your wallet). If you want to actually HURT him, you'll want to go after him and his mates. Granted there are alot of scammers in this game. My buddies and I might take on this particular target without declaring war on the corp/alliance, because we like to have fun in the game, after all thats why all of us play it. This particular target has a -10 sec status which means if intell from the OP is good, we can catch him in lowsec/0.0 kill him without totally destroying our own sec status. Without alot of hard work on our part. This is the "if" in if we are interested we will contact him. The assumption you are making is that we are just in it for the ISK but not all eve pilots play for ISK some play for fun and if the OP's reason for wanting his target hit is an honorable one, we also get the satisfication of teaching an asshat a lesson.
Admiral Zulema	Posted - 2009.10.05 09:33:00 - [16] That being said, I have great respect for NOIR and I was amazed at the story of you guys and this years tourney. To the OP, if you want the entire corp/allaince wardec I'd recommend NOIR. But, for a simple assassination we can do that for you.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.10.05 09:45:00 - [17] OP: just stop arguing with Jimer and listen to what he is telling you. He knows what he's talking about, and he's correct. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Admiral Zulema	Posted - 2009.10.05 10:35:00 - [18] I have a trading alt that makes 300-400M a month trading. I have 5 research alts that make passive income 100M/month. I have a PVE pilot that makes 50-100M in WHs in about 4 hours everytime he logs on. I have a main that kills for fun. I personally dont need any ISK from anyone to kill whom ever I please. As I stated earlier, "IF" we decided to do this for the OP it would be up to the OP and whether or not his intel was good and whether or not the reason for the assassination was honorable. We decide not anyone else if it is an honorable reason. TO the OP, I cant promise you we will take the contract without reading the Intell, but I can promise you this: We will read what you have and consider it throughly. If we take the contract we will kill the target, but only once for the price we agree upon, we dont scam to make money we dont have to. To the Mercs that say no one does this work watch and see. If we accept the contract the OP will announce the acceptance here in this forum and we will link the kill mail and any tears abstracted from said target. To other carebears out there that would like us to help with similiar assasinations stay tuned here and read the results. This thread will now become proof that not everyone in eve is an asshat.
Lana's Alt Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.10.05 10:52:00 - [19] Ignoring random people like Admiral Zulema above (yes you exist but you are the exception to the rule) people that kill for isk usually do so in highsec. Because of this they don't want to take the sec hit to pod someone in lowsec as it can do them a lot of harm when trying to fight people in highsec and therefor make money. A war dec will stop the sec hit. Of course the down side of a wardec is that it takes time to start, tells your target you are coming and also allows them to shoot at you. This is why knowing the details of the person is very important. Having said that, I have a lowsec pirate that could always do with some isk. Please can you evemail Lana Torrin the details and preferably the region they hang out in (im not about to jumping all the way over the universe just for one kill). And by details this includes as much intel as you can (number of gang members hes usualy hanging out with is a good start) Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first.
Admiral Zulema	Posted - 2009.10.05 14:45:00 - [20] Lana I love you....You have made me laugh many times here on the forums. But the target is not in highsec and cant go to highsec anytime soon.

Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 14:50:00 - [21] Wow OK yes I understand there are a million ways to rip off a carebear or a newb and there are a lot of people on Eve who only play to embarrass people, or scam people, or collect and post "carebear tears" etc. That is fine. That is part of the game. So let me rephrase my request. I am strictly a PVE player. For the past 8 months I have been strictly a PVE player. Everyone I know is a PVE player. ALL of my ingame mates are strictly PVE. We do mining ops and research and run fleet missions together. I and all my friends are carebears. Recently I was podded for the first time in .4 sec while mission running in deadspace. I am not mad, thats part of the game and I read the warning when I entered .4 space. But just like anyone else it would give me a warm fuzzy to get revenge. That is also part of the game. However I am not a PVP character nor will I ever be. I do not know any PVP characters. That is not the game I want to play, but you guys feel free to enjoy it and we will keep playing around you and not falling for your can swaps or taking your bait. You are right that I could just write to the guy and ask him to buy one of his corpses as a "souvineer" of the first person to pod me, but where is the fun in that? I want to pay someone to catch him with his pants down just like he did to me. He wont cry because getting popped and podded is just part of the game. Again, you are right I do not know anything about this half of the game. So it is really strange to me that no one wants to pod someone? There are entire threads on here where people brag about podding someone. I do not personally know anyone who goes into any sector below .5 because it is a gaurantee that you eventually get podded. So it may be a security hit, but dont tell me that "No one here will do it" It happens a dozen times a second. There is obviously a finer point that I do not understand about security levels. I have never had to worry about that. I do not care to. Thats it. I just want revenge on someone who would probably appreciate it. I do not want to be PVP so I would like to hire someone who is...without being scammed.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2009.10.05 15:30:00 - [22] Next time you get ganked in lowsec start spamming the warp button until your pod is warping :P 90% of the time you'll avoid being podded :P
Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 15:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Lana's Alt people that kill for isk usually do so in highsec. Because of this they don't want to take the sec hit to pod someone in lowsec as it can do them a lot of harm when trying to fight people in highsec and therefor make money. Maybe this is the part I don't really get when it comes to PVP. In my eyes you are all the same. In reality there might be a method to the madness. Despite what Jimer has said there are plenty of people who will pod someone. Hell the game even warns that you should ALWAYS have an up to date clone. So there are a lot of poeple doing it. Maybe they just arent the people who do it for money. They aren't mercenaries. Which just seems weird to me. I was told to try to hire an individual rather than a corp because it would probably be cheaper. After reading Jimer and Bellum's posts it also seems obvious that the reputation of Mercenary Corps is that if there is an opportunity to scam someone rather than doing what you are contracted to do then they will take it without hesitation. I think that is a pretty good verification of your reputation. Originally by: Lana's Alt Having said that, I have a lowsec pirate that could always do with some isk. Please can you evemail Lana Torrin the details and preferably the region they hang out in (im not about to jumping all the way over the universe just for one kill). And by details this includes as much intel as you can (number of gang members hes usualy hanging out with is a good start) Thanks for the interest. I can write in game this evening and see if you would like to take it on.
Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 15:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Barakkus Next time you get ganked in lowsec start spamming the warp button until your pod is warping :P 90% of the time you'll avoid being podded :P LOL Thanks! Like I said it was the first time it had happened so I wasnt really sure what was going on. I have lost many ships in missions, but really didn't know what to do in this situation. Clone was up to date and I don't mind replacing the ship. I am a little miffed about losing my set of Standard Implants but I got my moneys worth out of them. It's the podding that confuses me. No one can tell me what is gained by podding someone. Everyone on the MERCENARY forums says podding is too big of a security hit we wont do it. The only reason to pod someone is to cause grief. So while pirates always say that they are not griefers and just part of the game like everyone else I cant see another reason to destroy a set of implants. But like I said this is a part of the game I don't understand.
Armoured C Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.05 16:46:00 - [25] im pretty sure if he is a -10 pilot you don't take a sec hit Armoured C Steven Mason FOR CSM with added pirate hat
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.05 17:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Admiral Zulema That being said, I have great respect for NOIR and I was amazed at the story of you guys and this years tourney. To the OP, if you want the entire corp/allaince wardec I'd recommend NOIR. But, for a simple assassination we can do that for you. Sorry if it seemed like I was impugning anyone- I mostly meant to communicate the risks of going with such a tack, not calling out anyone specifically. :) Apologies if it came across that way. Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast
Flashh Gorden Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.05 17:27:00 - [27] Edited by: Flashh Gorden on 05/10/2009 17:29:24 what your doing wrong is going after the individual instead of his corp. Anyone who pvps alot loses ships and gets podded, its an occupational hazard, and doing that to him will hardly be revenge. Revenge is when he and his corpmates cant undock for a week without dying. Revenge is when all his corp assets like player owned stations have been destroyed. Revenge is when you find out if this guy has an alt corp and if he does go after that as well. The more you find out about this guy the more damage you can do too him. Mercs can find intell but that wastes time that could be spent destroying his corps assests. If you a serious about revenge here is what I suggest. Hire a decent merc corp for a one week contract. If these guys are not going to fight back much and you want them camped in, hiring the same merc corp for longer than a week would probelry get diminishing returns Once the contract is up you could make an alt and contact the guy who killed you. Explain you hired the mercs because he killed your ship and that he should pay you the value of your loss. If he refuses then hire some more mercs.
Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 17:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Jimer Lins Sorry if it seemed like I was impugning anyone- I mostly meant to communicate the risks of going with such a tack, not calling out anyone specifically. :) Apologies if it came across that way.[/quote Thanks. I have heard good things about Noir too. I am sure you are all really great at Destroying Corps and Alliances or whatever. Your suggestions for how to make a player suffer seemed very knowledgeable. I am just out of my element and annoyed that this is so much more of a hassle than I expected it to be.
Indemaking	Posted - 2009.10.05 17:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Flashh Gorden Edited by: Flashh Gorden on 05/10/2009 17:29:24 what your doing wrong is going after the individual instead of his corp. Anyone who pvps alot loses ships and gets podded, its an occupational hazard, and doing that to him will hardly be revenge. Revenge is when he and his corpmates cant undock for a week without dying. Revenge is when all his corp assets like player owned stations have been destroyed. Revenge is when you find out if this guy has an alt corp and if he does go after that as well. The more you find out about this guy the more damage you can do too him. Mercs can find intell but that wastes time that could be spent destroying his corps assests. If you a serious about revenge here is what I suggest. Hire a decent merc corp for a one week contract. If these guys are not going to fight back much and you want them camped in, hiring the same merc corp for longer than a week would probelry get diminishing returns Once the contract is up you could make an alt and contact the guy who killed you. Explain you hired the mercs because he killed your ship and that he should pay you the value of your loss. If he refuses then hire some more mercs. You are right. This is a PVP guy and losing a ship/clone wont be a big deal to him. It really wasn't all that big a deal for me to lost the ship either. I would just get a moments satisfaction out of this and then I will return to my normal day to day PVE Game. So yes, fine, it isn't actually revenge because we aren't even playing the same game. It is just an eye for an eye thing and would make me feel better that there was some sort of consequence to his actions (not a HUGE consequence just some as opposed to none) If you had asked me right after it had happened if I would be interested in screwing up his life, the life of his corp, the lives of his parents, kids and pets, I might have responded differently :) The return on the investment is horrible though. I think we are all agreeing. This is not the job for a Merc corp. It the job of an individual who would enjoy the hunt for someone specific. I just was confused because most of the Corps on the Forum resource list offfered BT as a service and I misunderstood what that was.
Admiral Zulema	Posted - 2009.10.06 00:37:00 - [30] After looking over the OP's intell and the story of the incident, My team and I have decided not to take this contract. The OP was not tricked, or killed by a gang. He was not harrassed or smacked in local. We have decided it was a decent kill and a good lesson for the OP. This pirate is honorable and did nothing more than one of our team would have done.



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