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GoTh KnighT
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Posted - 2009.10.06 18:23:00 -
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Right now, IÆm in the process of maxing out my learning skills. While IÆm waiting for my learning skills to be maxed out IÆm just mining to kill time.
I had an idea to make my mining a tad more efficient but I wanted to know if this method of mining is possible in the world of eve when it comes to mining solo:
What I would do is take a mining barge and mine as much as possible. Instead of going back and forth every time my barge gets full, I would eject the ore into a container and repeat this process until I got the desired amount. After IÆve done that, then I would dock into the nearest station and board into a freighter, go back to where I left all my cargo containers, pick them all up and deliver them all to the nearest station all at once. Then and only then would I start to sell/refine or do whatever it is that I want to do with the ore.
The only problem with this plan is that I would be risk having my containers stolen while IÆm going to get a bigger ship to hull all that ore at once.
I heard the phrase ôanchored secure containerö in the noob channel while in game and it gave me an idea.
So my question is this: Is there a specific container I can make/use that is secure enough to where other people canÆt get into and steel whatÆs in the container while IÆm off getting a freighter to hull the containers? Is that what the purpose of a ôanchored secure containerö really is?
If so, what skills do I need to train and how do I obtain/create this kind of a container?
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.10.06 18:36:00 -
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First thing's first... stop training those learning skills. You'll see little benefit to maxing them out in the first month or two. If you must train them, only go as far as 4 for the normal ones, and 3 for the advanced.
The containers you are looking for are called Giant Secure Containers. They're 3000m3 in size and can hold 3900m3. When you are in a 0.7 or lower system, you can Launch the container from your cargo and then Anchor it (requires the Anchoring skill under corporation management). Set the password, and then no one besides you and those you allow to can open the container.
Giant Secure Containers are available on the open market. Use the search tab in the market window.
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GoTh KnighT
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Posted - 2009.10.06 19:35:00 -
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awesome! thx
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Reincarnator
Amarr
Smallville Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.06 19:44:00 -
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If you are mining in a barge, you will fill up one of those cans in no time. What many people do is jetison the ore they mine. Jetcans hold 27.5km3 so it will take a while to fill one up. When you have as much ore as you want or are tired of mining, you bring an industrial ship and scoop up the ore. The main danger of this, like you pointed out, is that someone can come and take your ore. For this reason, you should mine in relatively quiet systems.
Another thing to note is that you need an industrial ship, not a freighter. Freighters cannot interact with anything in space, nor can they jetison anything.
 Originally by: Hango
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Elora Danzik
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Posted - 2009.10.06 20:49:00 -
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And Giant Secure containers have to be anchored 5km away from the next nearest object your ship not included.
Best is to have a buddy or an alt in an industrial when your hold is full jettision. alt-tab. scoop. dock. repeat.
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Pan Dora
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Posted - 2009.10.06 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Pan Dora on 06/10/2009 23:21:51
Originally by: Elora Danzik
And Giant Secure containers have to be anchored 5km away from the next nearest object your ship not included.
Best is to have a buddy or an alt in an industrial when your hold is full jettision. alt-tab. scoop. dock. repeat.
another advantage of a buddy/alt its that you may also form a fleet and, if you or your buddy/alt have leadership skills, recive bonuses. Even better if your buddy/alt have very good leadership skills and fly an Orca.
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.07 15:54:00 -
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There is secure can mining in 0.5 to 0.7, but personally I just mission mine in high sec.
Basically just run some missions from a level 1 guy til you get one that has a lot of rocks in it and then not finish the mission.
Fly in and bookmark the location. Can mine until you can take it anymore and haul it out.
I did over a period of time and never got bothered by anyone except maybe the mission rats, but if you have drones then its not hard to kill them.
The one mission that I recommend to do this on is the "repair station" one since you don't get the NPCs angry until you get within 5km or so and the rocks are far enough out that you can mine in peace.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Reincarnator
What many people do is jetison the ore they mine. Jetcans hold 27.5km3 so it will take a while to fill one up. When you have as much ore as you want or are tired of mining, you bring an industrial ship and scoop up the ore. The main danger of this, like you pointed out, is that someone can come and take your ore. For this reason, you should mine in relatively quiet systems.
And even then, someone will eventually steal it. Under NO circumstances should you try to shoot them, and be sure to check the ownership of the jetcan before you scoop it. (Show info, click the character portrait. If it's anyone but yourself, call it a loss and move on.)
On another note, how do you like your pods in the morning? |
Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2009.10.07 16:41:00 -
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Giant secured containers cost about a quarter million isk if you look around. As has been noted they can only be anchored in .7 or lower space in high sec they aren' secure at all since they can't be anchored and anyone in an industrial can come and scoop them up.
Now what I do when I'm wanting to do secure mining on my mining alt is I set up 2 GSCs so that they are about 5k away from each other and at least 5k from any roids then I get into a spot between them where I can get both of them opened. I fire up my survey scanner find the roids I want to mine target them and have at it. I fill the 2 containers then fill my cargohold and then go back to get my indi to pick up the ore (the indy also has 2 GSCs in it.)
Now one thing I have noted is that the belt I work in .6 have tons of secure containers about as well as lots of regular loot containers from rats that are killed by miners and then scavanged by the salvagers this leaves a whole hell of a lot of cargo containers sitting about in the overview and I suspect is part of the reason that I've not seen any can flippers in this system. (it's also a quiet out of the way system)
It's just too much work for them to seperate the goods from the chaff and stick to easier pickings in .8 and above.
So one thing you can do is set up a GCS so it looks like you're secure mining then just jetcan. There is still some risk that a flipper will come about but it's less than .8 and above where they seem very common.
Just make sure you have at least drones 3 and scout drones trained to deal with rats also get Hull upgrades 2 so you can use Cargo expander II's which will take a retriever a little over 3k cargo capacity and give you room to bring a GCS if you want or just let you get 2 cycles done before you have to empty. (Assuming you're mining in a retriever)
There is a risk/pita trade off in how you mine. With jetcanning it's less of a pain in the backside in that you spend less time running back and forth to the station but you run the risk of someone flipping your can. With Cargo hold mining you spend more time going back and forth but you ore is secure from grief. A GSC gives you a middle ground where you can take less trips (if you invest enough in GCS's to make it worthwhile)
If you decide to jetcan you need to know that they will poof eventually so you'll need to remember to occasionaly move everything into a new jetcan. Some people book mark them with the time they are created to keep track of when to replace them I just make a new one every few cycles.
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Wackie Chan
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Posted - 2009.10.07 17:56:00 -
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GSC's work fine to prevent ore thieves but you run into a logistical problem. the whole anchoring issue like previous posts you have to be at minimum 5000 meters away from any object (so while you're moving you will be wasting time moving from can to can to space out and anchor). if you are mining in a barge you only have a 14km range on your Strip Miners so if you've placed cans out and you start mining and then move out of range of one of the rocks poof there goes 3 mins of wasted time since you will not get any ore for that cycle. be it that you're new and still working on mining skills/learning skills here's what i suggest. you will make better time and money by just maxing out your current cargo capacity on your mining ship (that is if you don't have another toon/acct that can haul for you). due to the recent patch rigs are super cheap esp the medium's so let's say you're mining in a retriever fit all rig slots with cargo optimization rigs then in the low slots put cargo expander II's and the mid slot throw on a survey scanner helps you spot that ore more quickly and cleans up your overview since you wont have that long list of rocks on there. if any questions feel free to contact me in game.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.10.08 09:25:00 -
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The way to use GSC's, is to take your industrial, go to a place where you've got good prices on GSC's - then fill it with however many it will hold. Take them back to your base in a .7 or below system and go fetch a second set. You will need a second set as without it - the GSC's you anchored will hold more than the cargo hold of your ship. This is so, as mentioned, because GSC's are Planck Containers which will hold 3900m3 worth of stuff while only taking up 3000m3 of space in your cargo hold.
Once you have two sets, go out to the belt you want to mine and anchor one set of them along the arc of the belt.
Then go get your mining cruiser or frigate, come along and move down the line filling each GSC as you go.
When you have them all filled go get your industrial with the second set inside.
Move down the line transferring the ore from the anchored GSC's to those in your hold.
Rinse and repeat until you are sick of it but don't pull your anchored GSC's in. While it may take you a good long time to get them all set up - you can leave them in space and they will stay there as long as you visit them at least once every 30 days. If you don't open each one within 30 days it will simply go away.
Now - the down side of this is that once you get a mining barge - except for inside your cargo holds where they give you a significant increase in carrying capacity - GSC's are a waste of time and money.
Mining Barges will produce so much ore so fast and are so slow that you will expend an inordinate amount of time moving down that line with the barge filling them.
GSC's hold 3900m3 worth of ore but Jet Can's hold 27,000m3 worth of ore.
Trying to work with GSC's using a mining bare is going to severely hamper the amount of ore that barge can produce.
So - if you want to avoid can flippers - mine mission space. Just stay out of mission hubs and your chances of being scanned down are very slim. You can create multiple Jet Cans, just label them with the time so you know how long you've got to empty them then do so before their two hour timers run out. To extend the time you have, you can always create a new jet can and simply move the contents of the one about to expire into it. Just don't wait to do that until you only have a few minutes left to replace several cans as while you can create an unlimited number of jet cans - you can only create a jet can every few minutes.
If you do want to mine in belts you can take your chances ... or you can mine with a buddy or alt account. Have one guy in a mining barge and the other in an Industrial. Create a Jet Can by jettisoning something of no value such as a book mark to create a can, then have the miner transfer the ore into the can and the hauler transfer it immediately out, leaving the book mark in the can to keep it open. When the industrial is full (fill it with GSC's to expand it's capacity and use Expanded Cargo holds and/or rigs) then fly it back to base and empty it. If you feel like taking a chance you can keep mining into the can while the indy is gone. If not simply stop when the miners hold is full and await it's return.
If you see someone come into your belt - and all you have in that jet can is a book mark - watch them by doing a Look on their ship and moving your POV around to the stern so you can see where they are going. If they head for your jet can, pull the bookmark to pop it and then just sit there until they leave. If you don't trash talk them - they usually will go off looking for someone who isn't as alert.
To better see who is coming into your belt - have at least two tabs in your over view. Have a mining tab that lets you see the rocks - and another tab that gives you a view uncluttered by rocks - so you can immediately see if someone comes into your belt.
Team Mining is the way to go.
In Mission Space where you have multiple cans, use a destroyer with tractor beams to gather them at the warp in beacon if you don't have an Orca.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.10.08 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio
And even then, someone will eventually steal it. Under NO circumstances should you try to shoot them, and be sure to check the ownership of the jetcan before you scoop it. (Show info, click the character portrait. If it's anyone but yourself, call it a loss and move on.)
This is true, but the easiest way to avoid scooping the wrong container is to pay attention to the color. If the can is yellow it is no longer your ore even if the container has the same name that you put on it 
Also the ultimate minning resource is Halada's guide to minning
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Decidivus Jones
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Posted - 2009.10.08 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Reincarnator
If you are mining in a barge, you will fill up one of those cans in no time. What many people do is jetison the ore they mine. Jetcans hold 27.5km3 so it will take a while to fill one up. When you have as much ore as you want or are tired of mining, you bring an industrial ship and scoop up the ore. The main danger of this, like you pointed out, is that someone can come and take your ore. For this reason, you should mine in relatively quiet systems.
Another thing to note is that you need an industrial ship, not a freighter. Freighters cannot interact with anything in space, nor can they jetison anything.
27.5 cubic kilometers? That's a big freakin can!
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