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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.09 12:44:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:This has been discussed before, the potential rage quitting make it probably not going to happen This. Also to incentive low sec activity, you need to add new content to actually hook people interest to get in there. Not taking one content and taking to low sec. Adding new ships that stuffs comes from Low sec?(just throwing random ideas)
Lvl5 in low sec never made mission runners go there, moving lvl4's will only make some already bored with high sec broken/bad content leave definitively.
If CCP some day really wants to populate low sec the only option is to make it -5 SS high sec interdiction. Then you'll have new targets and new players in low sec because choices will have consequences, and you're still able to create infinite gank alts you can continue to biomass after -5 SS.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:24:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Lvl5 in low sec never made mission runners go there, moving lvl4's will only make some already bored with high sec broken/bad content leave definitively.
If they are bored, why don't they leave hisec? EVE is really exciting out there, every day.
You can't force someone to do what they don't want to do, for some is pve in low/null.
Others will claim and cry oceans of tears if you force them to pvp in low/null they'll leave, but it's only because high sec grieffing is safer for them, if you force them to only wardec of faction warfare they will also leave.
So why don't we start pushing to low/null players that already claim to luv peeveepee or force them to join faction warfare?
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:28:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I would like to see a survey that shows for every 1,000 new players that start the game;
How many are still playing after 1 month and where are they? High , low, null?
How many are still playing after 2 months? etc...
How many after 3 months?
How many after 6 months?
How many after 9 months?
How many after 1 year?
How many after 2 years?
Get a handle on turn over rate?
All you'll get is all the null sec and low sec "elite" connecting thousands of new alts to make this survey fail once again and show once again they manipulate everything in the game because they can. Easy.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 13:31:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:Savage Angel wrote:Making the most active part of the game less enjoyable to play in is a silly business move. Making the less active parts more enticing to play in would be excellent.
To those thinking the solution to all problems is to keep nerfing Hisec - come up with ways to make the rest of the game more interesting instead. That would do much more for the game than cutting of its nose to spite its face. Rest of the game is already several magnitudes more interesting. There is nothing in hisec that could keep a normal person interested for more than a month.
There is but you just can't understand or even try it.
Simple, start a new toon from the scratch, don't ever transfer isk or whatever, start really from the scratch. Then come back telling again you've done everything in high sec in one month and I'll tell you it's a lie.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:08:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I would like to see a survey that shows for every 1,000 new players that start the game;
How many are still playing after 1 month and where are they? High , low, null?
How many are still playing after 2 months? etc...
How many after 3 months?
How many after 6 months?
How many after 9 months?
How many after 1 year?
How many after 2 years?
Get a handle on turn over rate? We already know the turn over rate is high. EVE is a niche game & being anything but would turn it in to something else completely.
For better or worst?
I'm inclined to think some major changes to game mechanics would make it a lot better place for real pvp fans better place for industrial fans and a much better place for PVE fans.
However you will never ever get the old rabble population incapable to adapt to those changes, they will not accept easy ganking changes, they will not accept you have to pay one year sub with real money before you can pay with plex (because easy biomass gank alts would suffer) and they will certainly not accept high sec interdiction under -5 SS.
They just can't adapt and make a better game for everyone. They live in the past of an Eve that has nothing to do with the one they new back in time, changes are good for others the moment they don't get their tralala touch, if they do they will simply quit.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:31:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Ganking has been changed many times already, more than any other singular activity.
Not more than any other activity and only proves previous changes were badly implemented.
Quote:We've adapted every single time, you have not.
Yes tell me how difficult and tedious it is to circumvent rules that only restrain other players play style but never yours.
Also tell us all how elite you are in null/low sec at the point you are bored like that 
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 14:50:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:The only rule in regard to suicide ganking is that you can't recycle alts to avoid the sec penalties.
You can, yo know it and you do it 
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
160
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Posted - 2012.06.09 15:57:00 -
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Tao Arnst wrote:"CCP making progress to a better EVE"
ROFLMAO!!!!
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:45:00 -
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alexia santiago wrote:And the players that did not want to spend some minutes to answer the survey will have nothing to complain about if their opinion is not taken in consideration by CCP.
You mean like useless feedback and thousands of posts about hybrids rebalancing?
Or the one about CQ's awesomeness?
Wait maybe the crapventory feedback instead? -And I could continue on and on.
Yes, we're indeed used to useful feedback considerations.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
174
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Posted - 2012.06.10 11:31:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:Can you tell me what I missed?
Everything you haven't done.
Exploration: high sec WH, radar/magneto sites because you didn't had the skills for
Mining: simply because the only thing you could do is mine with a civilian mod
DED sites, simply because you'd get blown before you ever finish the first room = lack of skills
And I can go on and on, you got bored not because you've done it all, you've got bored because you couldn't do most of the available content.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
174
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Posted - 2012.06.10 11:37:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Dunno what you are talking about, many lvl4s are already in low-sec. Do you actually play EVE?
The Agents aren't in low-sec, true (apart from a very few) but there are many lvl4 Agents who give missions in nearby low-sec space, and one already has to accept a high risk/reward ratio to do them (cat and mouse with the pies who live there). When I'm feeling bold and adventurous, I do them, 2 of my JCs are in such areas.
It was more evident when we had "Agent Quality" and no Agent Finder. In those days, to get the best missions you had to actively look for them - check some websites and do some calculations - and inevitably the best-paying missions - again, not the agents who gave them, but the missions themselves - were in low-sec.
And there have always been even a few lvl4 agents in low-sec too - again, in ultra-low-sec (0.2) systems that are heavily camped.
This gives a nice spread I think. It's good to have a "safe" mission hub to fall back to, but it's also good to have the option of excitement and a bit higher reward when you're up for it.
Exactly, also the first time you ever do some lvl4 in null sec (there are plenty of them, the most interesting) you look like this 
The LP payout is absolutely insane and difficulty? -hehe what a joke if you know what you're doing: use D-scan yadyada, those systems are full of faction/officer fitted pirate BS/Tengus
Then you read: "nerf lvl4's, nerf high sec, bring lvl4's to low sec" hehe, lazy people are lazy
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
178
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Posted - 2012.06.10 13:18:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:I'll reply to the decent posts later when I have more time, now just quickly deal with this troll: Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Uinuva Karma wrote:Can you tell me what I missed? Everything you haven't done. Exploration: high sec WH, radar/magneto sites because you didn't had the skills for Mining: simply because the only thing you could do is mine with a civilian mod DED sites, simply because you'd get blown before you ever finish the first room = lack of skills And I can go on and on, you got bored not because you've done it all, you've got bored because you couldn't do most of the available content. I specifically mentioned all those activities, because I did them, except "hisec WHs" which don't exist on Tranquility, all w-space is -1.0 sec status. You can do 4/10s with full meta fit cruiser, except if you are a carebear, in which case you need a T3 and a manual which rats to shoot and what to tank.
Remember we're talking about 1mth old character.
With Eve's structure of learning it's clearly impossible to do all of this properly. And I'm not talking about the tutorials that are an introduction because in this case then you do all Eve content in less than a week.
Also, and don't get me wrong about this, unless you spend 50+ hours a week playing the dam thing, the newbbie can't do everything you've mentioned because he will lack skills and experience to achieve everything
Now we can disagree on how and why but any noob telling me he has done it all at his first month I'll stick a Troll tag on his nick.
Did you ever did single time life missions with your character? -do you even know those exist?
You might not show interest for some areas of Eve but that doesn't mean you've done it all just because as newbie you ran tutorials, did SOE, scanned some stuff in newbie system, mined some rocks with a civilian miner, build some crap with civilian BPC, hauled some crap a few systems around.
You have to jump some areas not interesting you to do something interesting you witch means you probably know those exist and tried pretty fast, doesn't mean you've done it all.
I can blitz whatever lvl4, clean most DED6 and get amused because those incoming for my ship just get warp scrambled/web and killed by rats because I know what I'm doing, but from this say I've done it all I will not, I've never ran "The Maze" properly and some other sites, never killed an officer and there are so many other content I've never done for whatever reason.
I can safely say I've tried a major part of the game content but from there say I've done it all that would be a lie.
Edit: however pvp talking I've done the most part of it including the biggest epic battles in Eve, doesn't makes me feel like a pro or better, just the feeling I've explored something unique not everyone in Eve can, did or will do.
And I'm horrible at pvp
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
178
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Posted - 2012.06.10 13:31:00 -
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Vicky Somers wrote:Considering that L4s are one of the main sources of income for casual players, this isn't going to happen. Half an hour of shooting at red boxes and you got yourself a enough iskies for a T2 fitted BC. Besides, there's far more lucrative stuff in low sec, it just takes more time/luck to get it.
Nerf the LP rewards from L4s for lulz though. I'm all for that.
If you know that much lvl4's giving 100M global payout that you can run in half an hour please tell me where they are...
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2012.06.11 10:08:00 -
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Bluddwolf wrote:D3F4ULT wrote:Kiteo Hatto wrote:This is a terrible idea......more pvper want mission fits on their kb's blah blah blah.
make isk in high sec running L4s, so you can afford the damn ships to pvp in. Learn to play, not AFK. Please explain to me how someone AFKs a lvl 4 mission?
Dominix -Dominix Navy Issue - Rattlesnake
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