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LarcatOfRens
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Posted - 2009.10.08 03:31:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Thingymawotzit
Edited by: Thingymawotzit on 08/10/2009 02:08:24
Hypothetical situation: Thorax vs rupture
Ancillary Current Router I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
I'm not sure these are the right choices at all, for either, but especially not for the Ruppy. You are only gunna win because of longer ranged guns. Ambits.
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Thingymawotzit
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 03:58:00 -
[32]
Originally by: LarcatOfRens
Originally by: Thingymawotzit
Edited by: Thingymawotzit on 08/10/2009 02:08:24
Hypothetical situation: Thorax vs rupture
Ancillary Current Router I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
I'm not sure these are the right choices at all, for either, but especially not for the Ruppy. You are only gunna win because of longer ranged guns. Ambits.
Dunno if you actually red my post but the ruppy won in that situation anyway. Not because of longer range guns, but because of the trimarks.
Both ruppy and rax shud have these meds - MWD, scram, web. I think most ppl can agree on that. If thats the case and both are in web and scram range then the ruppy ability to dictate range becomes very limited so ambits dont help you at all.
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z0de
Gallente
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 04:08:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Thingymawotzit
Both ruppy and rax shud have these meds - MWD, scram, web. I think most ppl can agree on that. If thats the case and both are in web and scram range then the ruppy ability to dictate range becomes very limited so ambits dont help you at all.
Following this logic I should fit an ab on my thorax.
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Smokin Gunn
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Posted - 2009.10.08 04:53:00 -
[34]
so i guess this proves ccp needs to nerf the rupture. its obviously overpowered.
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 06:52:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Thingymawotzit
Now 37,698 EHP vs 698 DPS means the ruppy will die in 54 seconds.
25,422 EHP vs 486 DPS means the rax will die in 52 seconds.
Thats a pretty damn close fight. I think it would come down to who has the better skills and stuff
In theorie yes, as mentioned in my first post here it is possible but the window where it works is this close that it is basicly impossible. This would require nearly instant "in optimal" and next zero movement(both preaty much impossible for blaster PVP since the 60% web and scram changes).
Even if you overlook in your EHPvsDPS count the damage resistances what works in favour of the Rax a bit since it faces the weaker ones on the main part of the rupture buffer.
Vs the falloff rigged Rupture with barrage against a rax with anti Explo pump chances are there, still a close fight but a lot more possible to win.
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Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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General Coochie
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 08/10/2009 12:39:21
5 medium ECM drones is incredible strong, a thorax main advantage is its high dps coupled with a large drone bay. 5 med ecm drones or 5 dps drones is a nice addition to whatever thorax fit you use.
Consider this thorax fit.
[Thorax, Shield dps copy 3]
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
4 warriors IIs
3 hammerheads
25k ehp
572dps at lv 5
ECM drones is king when it comes to 1v1. The riggs are dirt cheap.
Switch to 3 hammerheads and 4 warriors if frigs scare you.
Not having a web is not as bad as you think.
Null is good.
with dps drones you need to be lucky to kill a rupture with above fit. But with ecm drones its not very hard.
Why should the ruppie get nerfed cause it can kill a thorax 1v1? Can a rupture manage 600+ dps and 25k ehp? I think not. The thorax can bring invaluable dps to a gang.
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:52:00 -
[37]
Originally by: General Coochie
Can a rupture manage 600+ dps and 25k ehp? I think not.
For comedy reasons:
[Rupture, New Setup 4]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Ancillary Current Router I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x1
Warrior II x4
So yes, you can do 600+ DPS with 24.8k EHP in a rupture, plus web(you could reach more with a LSE in expense of the web). 
Keep in mind that after the Amno changes that are on the drawing board this is also possible with RF EMP.
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Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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July83
Styg Enterprise
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Posted - 2009.10.08 13:54:00 -
[38]
Superman VS Batman
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 14:25:00 -
[39]
Originally by: July83
Superman VS Batman
What a silly comparison. Everyone knows that Batman wouldn't stand a chance.
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Der'Teufel Felsen
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Posted - 2009.10.08 14:51:00 -
[40]
Thorax will win everytime cause gallente are Uber
ohh... and hi Djego 
p.s, those that know, know, you know!
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:32:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Spectre3353
Originally by: July83
Superman VS Batman
What a silly comparison. Everyone knows that Batman wouldn't stand a chance.
Probably true, but which one gets laid more often: Spandex boy or the multi-millionaire with the batmobile?
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Cpt Branko
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.08 16:59:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/10/2009 17:00:38
Originally by: Smokin Gunn
so i guess this proves ccp needs to nerf the rupture. its obviously overpowered.
Try it vs a Vexor and you see it's not really ;)
Thorax is just a bit meh post QR, but it's not a Thorax-specific issue, it's the issue with the impact of QR changes on short range ships.
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General Coochie
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:11:00 -
[43]
Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: General Coochie
Can a rupture manage 600+ dps and 25k ehp? I think not.
For comedy reasons:
[Rupture, New Setup 4]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Torrent Assault Missile
Ancillary Current Router I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x1
Warrior II x4
So yes, you can do 600+ DPS with 24.8k EHP in a rupture, plus web(you could reach more with a LSE in expense of the web).
Keep in mind that after the Amno changes that are on the drawing board this is also possible with RF EMP.
Well its not that comedy I think, as long as you are fighting something bigger then you it will deal that dps. Bit expensive though.
Overloading the rax brings it to almost 700.
I haven't looked at ammo changes but if thats true I'd say the rupture will be needing a nerf.
On a completely different subject I think other cruisers could use some love, especially the omen.
Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
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The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 17:52:00 -
[44]
Originally by: General Coochie
I haven't looked at ammo changes but if thats true I'd say the rupture will be needing a nerf.
On a completely different subject I think other cruisers could use some love, especially the omen.
I don¦t think the Rupture realy needs a nerf, since cruisers allready preaty much questionable, given the changed environment and the ability of BCs to do the same simply better in many ways this days without a lot extra cost or much speed lose.
Also I agree that that the omen could use more fitting to make it a realy good cruiser.
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Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.10.08 20:04:00 -
[45]
Why do you guys nerf your setups into the ground by throwing on a plate to mess up your agility as much as possible but then no resistance mods so you get the worst of both worlds?
[Thorax, Armor Electron/Ion Blasters]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Hammerhead II x5
If this gets another T1 cruiser into scramble range it will win every time.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.10.08 20:39:00 -
[46]
ECM-drones jam the Rupture or Thorax dies to any decent Rupture.
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Arrador
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Posted - 2009.10.08 20:46:00 -
[47]
What about Rupture vs Moa?
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.10.08 22:12:00 -
[48]
Originally by: LarcatOfRens
Originally by: Anubis Xian
Rupture will win because it will kill the rax's cap.
With a small neut and small nos?
Med neut, small nos...works good...
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General Coochie
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 00:31:00 -
[49]
Edited by: General Coochie on 09/10/2009 00:34:38
Edited by: General Coochie on 09/10/2009 00:31:54
Originally by: Asuka Smith
Why do you guys nerf your setups into the ground by throwing on a plate to mess up your agility as much as possible but then no resistance mods so you get the worst of both worlds?
[Thorax, Armor Electron/Ion Blasters]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Hammerhead II x5
If this gets another T1 cruiser into scramble range it will win every time.
Not vs something with ecm drones :P
I also think dps is more important then ehp in eve today if you are soloing. Gotta kill before enemy gang lands on you.
Ehp is generally better for 1v1 but 1v1 is to rare these days to fit for it imo.
Also nothing beast overwhelming some bait with dps and kill it before the gang arrives. Its golden.
And with ecm drones ehp is a bit less important.
With dps drones though I actually think I'm gonna start run with your fit, dps is still good and you have web on there.
Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.10.09 02:57:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Asuka Smith
If this gets another T1 cruiser into scramble range it will win every time.
Unless they're fitting scramblers and kite you in the rim of scrambler range, or just neut you to death, or jam you with ecm drones.
Be it in a Vexor, Rupture or Arbitrator, either way a Thorax is an easy kill 100% of the time once there are no ecm-drones on the field.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 03:29:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Asuka Smith on 09/10/2009 03:31:25
If one side fields ECM drones and the other does not then the side with ECM drones will win every time. Simple solution if you are so afraid of them is to swap my hammerheads for EC-600s. Personally I use that fit as heavy tackle/DPS in a gang when I want to bring something budget but a Battlecruiser is too big.
No other reason to use a T1 cruiser anyways, if I was going solo I would be in a BC but if for some reason I *was* in my Thorax solo yeah I would swap to the EC-600s.
What I meant by "this cruiser will take any other T1 cruiser in web/scramble range" is that in a tank/gank battle nothing can really overcome it in the T1 cruiser class.
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Originally by: Spectre3353
Originally by: July83
Superman VS Batman
What a silly comparison. Everyone knows that Batman wouldn't stand a chance.
Except that Batman has won every time... He could have killed Superman but let him live to prove a point.
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Akacja
Caldari
Deep Space Scavangers
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Posted - 2009.10.10 03:45:00 -
[52]
[Rupture, AB]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
4xDual 180mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium 'Gremlin' Power Core Disruptor I
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire
Warrior II x5
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1. web & overload scram
2. keep at the edge of scram range
3. pwn with barrage
4. hope the rax don't have ECM drones.....
Fitting AB instead of MWD can sometimes win the fight...
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.10 09:29:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Marko Riva on 10/10/2009 09:32:33
First; any ruppie pilot using projectile rigs that aren't the ambit ones doesn't understand EVE.
in a 1v1 with comparable pilot SP, skills and cash spent on the setup it all depends on how the fight starts and (in case of ECM drones) who has the most luck. If both use ECM drones then luck will probably side with the thorax due to better jamming, if no ecm drones are used then it depends if the thorax can get close or not.
The thing is that I would fit a scram on a thorax as it's a very short range boat anyways and I'd prolly fit a point on the ruppie due to having a range advantage, in that case the ruppie is dead if it gets in scram range, if it manages to kite the thorax (not too easy) then the ruppie wins.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.10 11:27:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Spectre3353
Originally by: July83
Superman VS Batman
What a silly comparison. Everyone knows that Batman wouldn't stand a chance.
…Frank Miller would like a word with you. 
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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