The purpose of this decision is to fulfill the Honor Guard's stated purpose of securing State assets and interests while removing foreign occupancy from State sovereign systems.

It is unfortunate to see you and your ilk join the militia to contribute to this war. If the reason for doing so is to combat against the cultural dominance the Federation is trying to gain within the State, as a fair deal of capsuleers have recently began to claim, then a "war" such as this can be fought with weapons other than missiles and blasters.

Regardless, I wish you good fortune Khross-haan. I have no doubt your personal expertise combined with that of your pilots will churn out a positive record.

Fascists gonna fasc... ist... No surprises here.

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We've had this discussion before Orkot, you do yourself and everyone who fights alongside you a disservice by continuing to try and label us this way.

Try? You literally just joined the Protectorate. I don't need to try anymore.

Try? You literally just joined the Protectorate. I don't need to try anymore.

Joining the Protectorate automatically changes a person's political alignment and beliefs to fascism? Sansha ought to be taking notes.

You're starting to sound like a number of other blind zealots that frequent these forums, Orkot. We have made our intentions in this capacity very clear. I fail to see how defending our home nation from foreign occupancy is fascist in any way. Furthermore, I fail to see how simply joining a militia force makes someone a fascist.

Please try and consider carefully that not everyone is painted with the same broad strokes.

I completely agree that the war can be fought without missiles and blasters, and it is my hope that eventually more will realize this. However, the purpose for joining the war is actually to counter the physical occupancy of State sovereign space. As stated, we have no plans for invasion or conquest into Federal space, we are merely operating in defense and security of State sovereign territory.

While our desire is for diplomacy to secure the end to this conflict, it is important to maintain the security and stability of the territory our ancestors sacrificed for and those living within those territories.

I see some provist boot-to-face therapy actually worked on you.
Welcome to the club, soldier.

Do not heed the voices of ignorants trying to paint you in black and white by hazardous associations and may you prove to be up to your standards in the world of the militias. I may disagree now on the usefulness and productive effect of such a decision - and I speak with experience on the matter - but at least your mind is at the right place.

Some will now consider you a friend whom you do not consider a friend. Some will now assume that you hold values that you do not hold. Joining the militia often requires one to weave a complicated web of justification. We shall see how you do in this.

[...] While I don't support Tiberius Heth [...]

Your Wirykomi Corporation lays claim to the sovereign systems of Alsavoinon, Aubenall, Eugales, Frarie, Moclinamaud, Oicx, Renarelle, and Vlillirier. Though Wirykomi has not controlled these territories for any consistent period of time since the Provist blind auction (they have been free and in control of the local inhabitants for almost three years now), Alsavoinon is currently vulnerable to enemy assault.

Even if your own organization will not seek to occupy Federation systems, how do reconcile your parent corporation's territorial and economic ambitions with your outfit's MO? This inquiry applies to your outfit's non-support of Executor Tibus Heth, even when your parent corporation is allied with both the Kaalakiota Corporation and the Caldari Providence Directorate. After all, unless you're rich and powerful, compliance is enforced on all State subjects and citizens.

Your Wirykomi Corporation lays claim to the sovereign systems of Alsavoinon, Aubenall, Eugales, Frarie, Moclinamaud, Oicx, Renarelle, and Vlillirier.

Even if your own organization will not seek to occupy Federation systems, how do reconcile your parent corporation's territorial and economic ambitions with your outfit's MO?

How dare you stand against the federation when they have such a better culture? Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter, at least I can shoot at you without fear of gate gun reprisal. I probably would have any being in a nbsi corp, but i guess that makes it easier.

Excellent. See you space, Pilots.

Excellent. See you space, Pilots.

As for all the naysayers. Even a foreigner like myself knows the difference between a Patriot and Provist. That said I rather enjoy adding fascist to my collection of epithets. Mr. Khross and my comrades remain ever so stubbornly Caldari it's quite refreshing actually. I look forward to an exciting future.

Hugs and Kisses darling. We should catch up some time.

As for all the naysayers. Even a foreigner like myself knows the difference between a Patriot and Provist. That said I rather enjoy adding fascist to my collection of epithets. Mr. Khross and my comrades remain ever so stubbornly Caldari it's quite refreshing actually. I look forward to an exciting future.

And by joining Heth's paramilitary forces you demonstrated that you are... Wait for it... Provists! It's really not that hard.

I really did give you too much intellectual credit.

If you honestly can't distinguish between those seeking to defend their home and their people and blood-thirsty supremacy conquerors, then I would urge you to ask your alliance directors if you can operate as a liaison with WHG. You will no doubt have nothing positive to say regarding WHG unless it is absolutely true, and even then, begrudgingly. This would give you every opportunity to examine our in space and out of space activities as well as our discussions and see if they remain consistent.

If you wanted to "defend your home" I'm sure the Peace Corps would have been glad to accept a capsuleer, maybe you could even get a commission with CalNav. And if you did I would accept any claims you made about not being a Provist and a fascist attack dog; well if they let you post on the IGS of course. Instead you chose to join Heth's personal army.

Edit: I'll clarify and say that you also could have simply chosen not to join StatePro, but you did. The least you could do is actually have some conviction in the beliefs that brought you there instead of pretending to be in opposition to the organisation's ideals and goals.

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Please explain how the State Protectorate is "Heth's personal army," while the WPC and CN are considered free from the KK CEO's influence?

What piece of information, other than Federal capsuleer propaganda, makes you believe this to be true?

The CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act, established the State Protectorate as a capsuleer auxiliary of the Caldari Navy. [1]

The State Protectorate does not equate to the Caldari Providence Directorate. The State Protectorate is the CONCORD established mechanism by which capsuleers can defend the Caldari State and its megacorporations.

Would you prefer that WHG resort to "acts of piracy" in order to protect Black Rise and Wirykomi's property from Federal pillaging?

Emphasis mine because it's a bold-faced lie. You have constantly and consistently accused me of being a Provist from the very first post you ever made to me. You have refused to listen to any argument to the contrary and have chosen to instead continue to label me exactly as you please, do not feed me with such falsity.

PS: My goodness, Orkot-haan, is it this time of the month again?

Well let's be fair here, you've joined StatePro, what exactly are we supposed to believe?

Trust me I'm open to changing my mind...

...but you aren't changing it by joining the militia

That's quite sexist and demeaning to women.

Well as you have been so insistent to tell me in the past, Mr. Heth is only the CEO of KK. Please tell me why would he have any influence in the actions of the Peace Corps or CalNav?

And of course the CPD aren't the same as StatePro, I didn't say they were? But the CPD isn't a military force, StatePro is. And what does StatePro do? Fights a war of conquest for... Tibus Heth! They did after all conquer all that space which Tibus Heth sold off.

Like I said, CalNav and the Peace Corps are legitimate organisations that for the most part don't participate in offensive actions (baring perhaps ground assaults by the Peace Corps).

The only choices are not StatePro or piracy, there exist other choices which would have allowed him to 'protect'.

You labelled the State Protectorate as "Heth's personal army," a term often leveled at the CPD. You also accuse those in the Protectorate of being "Provist." Provist refers to members of the CPD. I am not sure if you recognize a difference.

The State Protectorate was founded under the same CONCORD act that created the Federal Defense Union, Tribal Liberation Force, and 24th Imperial Crusade.

The space was occupied by Caldari capsuleers and the development and exploration rights of the space was auctioned off to the megacorporations. Would you prefer that the State Protectorate and Caldari Navy have the responsibility of administering dozens of systems when they are occupied? They tend not to manage civil affairs very well.

The Caldari Navy and WPC (as well as HG, LDPS, etc) participated directly in the liberation of Caldari Prime. As Federals have pointed out in the past, what was reported as Caldari Navy forces were operating in occupied Ostingele.

What CONCORD-sanctioned mechanism for the defense of Black Rise would allow WHG to engage Federation invaders in Black Rise outside of the CONCORD Militia Act sanctioned organizations or "piracy" against Federal pilots in Black Rise?

EDIT: I would take this opportunity to clear a few things up. Clearly -WHG- is not a Provist or Fascist organisation.

The State Protectorate has never engaged in attacks or conquest of Federal territory...

...nor is that their mission statement.

"We are the State, and we have claimed our long-lost homeland. Now we are at war; united, whole and full of fire and purpose. The State calls you, capsuleer, for it needs your strength and your leadership to fend off the encroaching Gallente menace. The State will not fall. Join us. Fight. Conquer."
GÇöState Protectorate corporate description

The State Protectorate is not in any way, shape or form connected to Tibus Heth, his policies, his actions or the CPD. All my previous statements to the contrary are retracted. Please accept my humblest and deepest apologies for having erred.

Your Wirykomi Corporation lays claim to the sovereign systems of Alsavoinon, Aubenall, Eugales, Frarie, Moclinamaud, Oicx, Renarelle, and Vlillirier. Though Wirykomi has not controlled these territories for any consistent period of time since the Provist blind auction (they have been free and in control of the local inhabitants for almost three years now), Alsavoinon is currently vulnerable to enemy assault.

Do not worry, General.
Even if those, who have to protect Wiyrkomi's interests will deny their duty and will stain their honor, there will be always loyal citizens who will aid in retaking these systems. Sooner or later the order will be restored, federals and outlaws will be driven out.
And that will bring profits to the State, to the Wiyrkomi and to residents of the forementioned systems, who are still living in misery and degradation under federal rule.

If your apology is indeed sincere, then I am pleased to see it. If I have mistaken your intent as sarcasm when it is truly sincere, then I offer my return apology for my misjudgment.

Notions about "defensive" operations, or "containing" conflict to certain specific systems is a rather quaint notion, don't you think?

If you commit to your new allegiance, than commit mind, body, and soul. Dancing half in and out is folly.

The second, and in fact the more bloody, is a war wherein both sides fight 'defensively'. Like hatred, the defence of ones homeland cannot allow for compromise. Unlike in a war guided by hatred, both sides dig in, refuse to press any advantages given, and the war enters a period of stasis. The so-called meat-grinder wars are of this nature, where two sides sit in trenches with emplaced weapons, and the war is fought for inches of blood stained ground.

In short, a purely defensive war is a war of folly. Far better to seek advantage where one can find it, fight as hard as possible until you have achieved an overwhelming advantage, and then use that advantage to sue for desireable peace.

No, I don't.



It isn't a new allegiance, our allegiance is and always will be to the principles of honor and integrity, the State and the people under its jurisdiction and provision. The State Protectorate is merely a means by which we can continue our operations legally without ramification. We are committed to these principles and these allegiances mind, body and soul.

When I am interested in learning how to serve only myself and pursue "power" above all else, I will ask a Sani Sabik.

Pointing out menstrual cycles is demeaning to women?

You seem to be a bit of a tit.

Try and be more like that, and less like a Federal politician discussing rules of engagement.

I am Caldari.
I am Civire.
I am Malcolm Khross.

I have no intention of being someone you find more acceptable.

On what grounds do you question our duty, honor and loyalty? I am genuinely curious.

However, if you would like to turn discussion this way, I will answer. Because your leader has already shown that he is untrustworthy. And, I really would like to know your position, because I am too genuinely curious.

If you can firmly answer with single YES without any doubts, speculations and conditions, I will question you no more.

This was my answer to General Inhonores, and I am sorry if it was somewhat insulting to you.

However, if you would like to turn discussion this way, I will answer. Because your leader has already shown that he is untrustworthy. And, I really would like to know your position, because I am too genuinely curious.

Are you loyal to the Wiyrkomi Corporation, to the Caldari State, and to Tibus Heth?

If you can firmly answer with single YES without any doubts, speculations and conditions, I will question you no more.

Untrustworthy?

We seem to be using different definitions of the word. I'd follow the man to hell and back.

Untrustworthy?

We seem to be using different definitions of the word. I'd follow the man to hell and back.

Unfortunately, I had some unpleasant experience in negotiations with your corporation leader. This man is ignorant and can't follow conversation, breaking into personal attacks and insults as arguments. His loyalty to the State is doubtful, and he has honor of a common thug. He is a shameful stain on a Caldari good name.
I strongly recommend you to reconsider your views about this man.
And, please forgive me for such strong language against one person, I am feel myself uneasy telling this, but he well deserved it. Besides him, I can talk like this about only one another man, but, luckily, he is a gallentean.

Unfortunately, I had some unpleasant experience in negotiations with your corporation leader. This man is ignorant and can't follow conversation, breaking into personal attacks and insults as arguments. His loyalty to the State is doubtful, and he has honor of a common thug. He is a shameful stain on a Caldari good name.
I strongly recommend you to reconsider your views about this man.
And, please forgive me for such strong language against one person, I am feel myself uneasy telling this, but he well deserved it. Besides him, I can talk like this about only one another man, but, luckily, he is a gallentean.

For long, the name of the Seituoda Family has been associated with honor and trustworthy business practices.

It makes me disappointed to see that now these people flying under their flag wish to tarnish this age-old reputation by shedding blood on the Wiyrkomi trade mark.

Caldari Militia is a den of xenophobia and racism, does not respect ownership rights and kills civilians.

By this move, you are dragging the heritage you pretend to defend to the dirt.

I wish the Seituoda family strength during these difficult times.

Unfortunately, I had some unpleasant experience in negotiations with your corporation leader. This man is ignorant and can't follow conversation, breaking into personal attacks and insults as arguments. His loyalty to the State is doubtful, and he has honor of a common thug. He is a shameful stain on a Caldari good name.
I strongly recommend you to reconsider your views about this man.
And, please forgive me for such strong language against one person, I am feel myself uneasy telling this, but he well deserved it. Besides him, I can talk like this about only one another man, but, luckily, he is a gallentean.

It is unfortunate how often pilots wrapping themselves in the State banner provide the best examples of the need for a Caldari-style meritocratic qualitative management program for the IGS access rosters.

You throw stones and beg for forgiveness in the space of two breaths. Grow a spine.

Seeing you in person.
This will enlighten us how?

Unfortunately, I had some unpleasant experience in negotiations with your corporation leader.

This man is ignorant and can't follow conversation, breaking into personal attacks and insults as arguments. His loyalty to the State is doubtful, and he has honor of a common thug.

He is a shameful stain on a Caldari good name.
I strongly recommend you to reconsider your views about this man.

Perhaps Ms. Kim means 'in space?'

But since your group claims she has no spine I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem for the brave pilots of WHG.

You are the one who's been using personal attacks and insults as arguments, not him; even if one could compare his responses to your mudslinging as such, they were still entirely in response to your provocation. You started the insults and personal attacks, not Malcolm. If you don't like the fact that people have returned fire with fire, you should consider not using fire in the first place.