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Endless Subversion
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.10.09 17:18:00 -
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I see an unbelievable number of amarr recon threads in this forum, mostly about the pilgrim. I warn people, over and over, that they're wasting their time with this ship for anything BUT mission ganking but people insist on flying it anyway.
Let's collect fraps footage and killboard statistics here for GOOD pilgrim fights.
What I want:
1) Livespace (ie, not mission ganking) footage (fraps or the like please) of the pilgrim getting good fights
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2) Killboard links (battle clinic OK) where a player is getting awesome fights in pilgrims (blobs that include pilgrims do NOT count).
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.09 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Suas on 09/10/2009 17:29:24
I flew my Pilgrim once and killed a bunch of carebears in Providence before running out of cap charges and going home. It has been sitting in Ennur since then - does that count? :<
Edit: I mean... I have 100% EFFICIENCY with the Pilgrim, it is THE BEST SHIP EVER!!
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Grarr Bexx
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Posted - 2009.10.09 17:32:00 -
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Unfortunately, that is not what you use a pilgrim for. It lacks action range. If you want good fights, use the Curse.
Nonetheless, I'll give you two examples of how to use a pilgrim :)
Tackle maelstrom, zealot and retribution warp in. The curse joins me when the Maelstrom is at 30% shields. The retribution is quickly dispatched, but when the Maelstrom dies, I try to make a lucky break for the Zealot right when my Cap Booster tells me it has no charges left to load with.
Battlereport in the megathron's comment section.
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.09 17:35:00 -
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Grarr is terrible.
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Grarr Bexx
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Posted - 2009.10.09 17:47:00 -
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So is a certain close acquaintance of yours, ofcourse in-game.
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Endless Subversion
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.10.09 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Endless Subversion on 09/10/2009 17:48:32
 Originally by: Grarr Bexx
Unfortunately, that is not what you use a pilgrim for. It lacks action range. If you want good fights, use the Curse.
Nonetheless, I'll give you two examples of how to use a pilgrim :)
Tackle maelstrom, zealot and retribution warp in. The curse joins me when the Maelstrom is at 30% shields. The retribution is quickly dispatched, but when the Maelstrom dies, I try to make a lucky break for the Zealot right when my Cap Booster tells me it has no charges left to load with.
Battlereport in the megathron's comment section.
Wow you missed the point pretty hard.
In the first engagement you die. You trade a faction tackle pilgrim for a non-t2 ARTILLERY fit mael and a retribution. You actually lost that fight. Oh, and you would have been better off in a curse or probably any ranged combat ship. Notice how he didn't die?
The second one is even worse, those are 2 rail/beam fit BS with no buffer on low SP players. In other words, you're ganking ratters. Basically any ship ganks ratters fine.
Neither of the fights you have linked shows any reason to use the pilgrim.
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Grarr Bexx
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Posted - 2009.10.09 17:53:00 -
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Well then, there's always the Curse for you.
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Ravenesa
The Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 18:19:00 -
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I personally use my Pilgrim for ransoms instead of kills. It is VERY good at mission busting, but I gladly fight any turret based ship in it. My personal favorite fight was a Hulk/Typhoon in a belt.
I caught a Hulk in a belt mining and I knew he had 2-3 friends in system. I snagged the Hulk after the transport ship had just left and killed it.
I move off the wreck a bit and cloak up. The Bestower comes back in and I uncloak and lock it with a point and just hold it there. At that point their mate in a Phoon warps in. I like the indy go and lock the phoon and deply a flight of Vespa ECM drones to get a jam or two on him and proceed to heut him down while tanking his drones for a bit. I pulled off the ECM drones and then pulled my TD's off the drones and put them on the phoon and got into a nice orbit. I picked off all of his drones he spit out, then sent hammer II's after him and slowly took him down into about 40% armor. At that point I ransomed him for 75Mil and went on my marry way.
I've snagged Vaga's in a belt, Ferox in a mission, flashy Cane on a gate, and a Rohk. All solo in a Pilgy.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.10.09 18:21:00 -
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The truth is, the pilgrim is a solo ship to be used in solo work. It can choose its target and engage in its own terms. It is useful to kill mission runners, as the OP said himself, and to kill ratters. It is a hunter ship, not a gang ship.
If you want a gang ship bring a curse. But that is the truth to ANY force recon, unless you are in a force recon and SB only gang, combat recons are a much better gang addition.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.09 18:46:00 -
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If you fly the pilgrim, its because you enjoy the hunt more than the kill.
Which sums up why i fly the pilgrim fairly well :)
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Mei Khlolov
Bane INC.
INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 20:11:00 -
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I think TC is a Pilgrim pilot who wants to make people believe it sucks so less people are stealing his kills...there's no way someone could hate a good ship like this that much.
I think the appeal of the ship is that it's a decent PvP ship with a covert ops cloak that allows it to decide when to fight.
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Kazang
Gallente
Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2009.10.09 20:17:00 -
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Its for ganking npc'ers thats what its best at.
And its pretty much the best thing around for doing that except a cloaky gank legion, what more do you want?
Kazang
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.10.09 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kazang
Its for ganking npc'ers thats what its best at.
And its pretty much the best thing around for doing that except a cloaky gank legionproteus, what more do you want?
fyp
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Now the op looks like a weirdo that can't read kekekeke!
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Spaztick
Terminal Impact
Kairakau
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Posted - 2009.10.09 20:40:00 -
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I see an unbelievable number of caldari recon threads in this forum, mostly about the falcon. I warn people, over and over, that they're wasting their time with this ship for anything BUT pocket alt jamming but people insist on flying it anyway.
Let's collect fraps footage and killboard statistics here for GOOD falcon fights.
What I want:
1) Livespace (ie, not mission ganking) footage (fraps or the like please) of the falcon getting good fights
OR
2) Killboard links (battle clinic OK) where a player is getting awesome fights in falcons (blobs that include falcons do NOT count).
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Dray
Caldari
The Water Margin Tech
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Posted - 2009.10.09 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
The truth is, the pilgrim is a solo ship to be used in solo work. It can choose its target and engage in its own terms. It is useful to kill mission runners, as the OP said himself, and to kill ratters. It is a hunter ship, not a gang ship.
If you want a gang ship bring a curse. But that is the truth to ANY force recon, unless you are in a force recon and SB only gang, combat recons are a much better gang addition.
The truth tbh, but any ship is the right ship in a the right circumstances, ask yourself what you want to do and look at the tools available.
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Dray
Caldari
The Water Margin Tech
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Posted - 2009.10.09 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Spaztick
I see an unbelievable number of caldari recon threads in this forum, mostly about the falcon. I warn people, over and over, that they're wasting their time with this ship for anything BUT pocket alt jamming but people insist on flying it anyway.
Let's collect fraps footage and killboard statistics here for GOOD falcon fights.
What I want:
1) Livespace (ie, not mission ganking) footage (fraps or the like please) of the falcon getting good fights
OR
2) Killboard links (battle clinic OK) where a player is getting awesome fights in falcons (blobs that include falcons do NOT count).
In an older corp we used to run cov ops recon gangs and all i flew was a falcon, once again the right ship in the right circumstances made the diff, ppl have to move away from FOTM thinking, fly what you like to fly and how u want to fly.
I flew my falcon as close support in the 20-40km range and loved every minute esp in close fights where i couldnt jam all the time, then all the cries for the falcon nerf came along which really killed the 200km function key pilots, but boosted my falcon.
I used to h8 all the low IQ cant work it out for themselves pilots but in the case of the falcon it worked out ok for me. 
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.10 08:00:00 -
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Pilgrim isn't as good as most people think/make it. It doesn't get the range bonus so has to get upclose, that means that fast moving targets are more difficult to catch due to locking time penalty after uncloaking and to do it's mojo it needs to get into scram/web range so in that respect it's very much like a Diemost; you HAVE to commit your expensive, slow ship.
It is ofcourse a cloaking recon which normally trades it's uberpwnage for being able to evade problems and hand pick targets. Ofcourse people get many kills with one but mostly against optimal targets, either ****ty player/ships/setups, or long range fit ships. A decent BC will eat a pilgrim whereas the Rapier keeps stuff at range giving it a way out, the falcon simply jams the aggressor and the Arazu uhm... well, it needs to be lucky.
In my view Rapier>Pilgrim, their targets aren't really the same ofcourse but a fast cloaker with range options is better than a slow cloaker that needs to get within arm's length.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2009.10.10 08:25:00 -
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think I've only gotten two really good fight using a pilgrim and killed 4/5/6 ships in each fight BUT it was paired with a pre-nerf falcon AND gate guns both times, anytime I've flown it solo I've died in a failfire, its not a bad ship, but I think arbitrator is more bang for your buck with td's and an ab and more easily replaceable/disposable
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