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Mrs Maltaproject
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Posted - 2009.10.11 20:38:00 -
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i disagree i want people to use them for once not just let them sit on some alt that will never log in because its to vulnerable to begin with and its food for hungry dirty pirates
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Christos Hendez
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.11 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Af'ilia Titan vs mom > mom
Mom vs mom > mom
Carrier vs mom > mom
Fleet of bs vs mom > mom...
Do you see the problem? moms are now the best ship in the game... and they got a **** to of cargo (corp hangar) and oh god.... the maint bay... and it repairs your fleet to? (Like it needs it...)
A ship being better than another ship in EVE Online? Time to cancel my subscription i guess.
When you signed up for this game you werent told "Its all equal. No effort involved. Here, have a lolipop".
If mom's are so awesome, then go and get one. I think its a nice change from the current situation of "If im in a mom and there is more than one other person in local, im not engaging (and that one better not be in an alliance...or in a cyno ship...oh ****, i just wont engage to be safe)
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Lee Kin
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Posted - 2009.10.11 21:34:00 -
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If they have a dictor, an rr bs gang wins every time. The moms fighters and bombers will be primaried and then it will die.You're right in a sense though, if they just fire on the mom it will win. But why would they ?
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Adam Ridgway
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.11 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Af'ilia Titan vs mom > mom
Mom vs mom > mom
Carrier vs mom > mom
Fleet of bs vs mom > mom...
Do you see the problem? moms are now the best ship in the game... and they got a **** to of cargo (corp hangar) and oh god.... the maint bay... and it repairs your fleet to? (Like it needs it...)
Fail.
RR BS fleet + 1 curse + HIC = dead mom.
Now, if you scale it... is when trouble starts (gangs of moms), but the same problem happens with titans, caps or any ship class.
Now if a fleet of 100 BS manage to down a single mom it will be cost effective.
So: stop failling.
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Af'ilia
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Posted - 2009.10.11 23:39:00 -
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you get 100 bs to take a mom down...
Besides.... Mom is now better then titan... tank wise as well, its just not supposed to be, just... no.
Moms and titans are better at taking pos's down... isnt that a dreads job?
Dreads are now obsolete, giving no dmg to a mom or titan.
fix this.
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xttz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.11 23:40:00 -
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This is why supercaps should be tested and balanced by a) people who fly them b) people who fight them on a regular basis c) absolutely no one whose only encounter with them is on sisi or against the odd low-sec pirate
There are a couple of real issues with supercap balance, however I'm impressed that out of all the whiners in thread not one of those issues has been mentioned.
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Stealthbug
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Posted - 2009.10.11 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: xttz This is why supercaps should be tested and balanced by a) people who fly them b) people who fight them on a regular basis c) absolutely no one whose only encounter with them is on sisi or against the odd low-sec pirate
There are a couple of real issues with supercap balance, however I'm impressed that out of all the whiners in thread not one of those issues has been mentioned.
Ok, so what are they?
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offcopy
Caldari OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.10.12 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Af'ilia Titan vs mom > mom
Mom vs mom > mom
Carrier vs mom > mom
Fleet of bs vs mom > mom...
Do you see the problem? moms are now the best ship in the game... and they got a **** to of cargo (corp hangar) and oh god.... the maint bay... and it repairs your fleet to? (Like it needs it...)
titan vs mom = titan tried it out on the test sever, ships use wyvern and an levi
set up on the wyvern was a heavy tank and extra drone controlers 24 drones in total set up on the levi once again heavy tank with dd and 7 citadel torp luncher
it wasn't even close the levi had only a small amount of damage taken. but with everything else it comes down to numbers. as stated any ship is useless if alone and out numbered.
before you post do some testing or get the facts.
ms/sc are now of use again and not a pos hunging dust ball.
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Af'ilia
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Posted - 2009.10.12 00:53:00 -
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isnt that weird? I had the same battle... levi vs wyvern
wyvern was heavy heavy heavy tanked.. i took this thning in a passived most of the titan shots... but was no match to a wyvern
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Zheren Huli
Fogbound Federation of Active Commonwealth Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.10.12 01:00:00 -
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can someone tell me if bombers can be assigned?
i know they follow through warp and attack like fighters do but i didnt tested assigning yet.
cause my issue with assigning is that a speed ship + assigned bombers posses a great threat against pos modules... and well the last time i tried you couldnt scramble / warp disrupt bomber so it would be a no loss thing for the attacker if the pos cant 1 shot pop bomber.
also citadel torpedos to a great amount of damage to anything that doesnt move so... i am not really comfy with the idea of seeing my pos may it be deep in lowsec for whatever purpose being stripped of defense by some interceptor pilots with bombers in relativle short amount of time, while the mothership that launched them has only to stay close to friendly pos shields in the system and kite in to avoid a loss.
also possible abuse for fw? bombers against the systembunker which had their hp "boosted"... which than could lead to easy faction lp and and and....
just some mindbowling
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Cracken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.12 02:59:00 -
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you can web them tho just throw a couple of webber mods on the pos problem solved.
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.12 03:10:00 -
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yes the ability to web em using pos webs is easy enough
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.12 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Af'ilia isnt that weird? I had the same battle... levi vs wyvern
wyvern was heavy heavy heavy tanked.. i took this thning in a passived most of the titan shots... but was no match to a wyvern
I was on the wyvern side of this type of fight quite a few times. Problem isn't that the MS is more powerful its that 99% of the people on sisi had never flown a supercap and had even less idea how to fit one properly. Meanwhile I was in a ship that I have flown for nearly 2 years and knew intimately. Stop trying to decide if something is balanced based on what a bunch of random people playing with knives in the dark can do.
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Af'ilia
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Posted - 2009.10.12 04:52:00 -
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trust me... im not stupid when it comes to fitting a tank on a titan lol... i spent hours in EFT on just a levi build
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Col Callahan
Caldari The Lazy Boys
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Posted - 2009.10.12 05:00:00 -
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SAGE
Point One - You have no idea what your talking about.
Point Two - You don't like it, There's the door, don't let it hit your @$$ on the way out. I heard you the last time. |
HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.12 05:02:00 -
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the wider statistcal anaysis re motherships from the testing on SISI will regardless if u know youre ship or not will give a fair idea on what ccp can do to balance ( plus the intenral beta teseters as well) once it goes live ccp will make adjustments after dominions most likley but so far their balancing seems to have most players happy
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.12 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Af'ilia trust me... im not stupid when it comes to fitting a tank on a titan lol... i spent hours in EFT on just a levi build
If you sat there, untackled, wittling down an untackled MS and never once thought to kill their fighters or warp off then no, you really don't know wtf you're trying. I solo'ed numerous MS in a levi by killing their fighters before turning on them.
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.12 05:24:00 -
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yes kiling the balanced fighters first is important and then u can fix it, in a gang situation its going to be a little bit different, lag and that sort of thing but most things appear form feedback to be on balance
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Af'ilia
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Posted - 2009.10.12 07:38:00 -
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you try hitting bombers with xl lasers? not easy...
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.10.12 07:42:00 -
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I may know nothing of cap ships, but yeah, the Moms seemed too strong.
3 x Wyverns remote-repping and cap-xfering were able to tank multiple DDs from multiple titans... ? ____________________
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HeliosGal
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Posted - 2009.10.12 09:23:00 -
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30% reduction in RR modules on MOMs perhaps ?
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.12 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 12/10/2009 16:40:40
Originally by: Cozmik R5 I may know nothing of cap ships, but yeah, the Moms seemed too strong.
3 x Wyverns remote-repping and cap-xfering were able to tank multiple DDs from multiple titans... ?
Uh, they are supposed to. This is an example of a completely uneducated opinion. Are you aware that MS have and will probably always have nearly the same EHP as titans?
And we had carriers triaging on MS to rep them back up, took forever to make more than a dent since MS and Titans have more EHP than a pos. Im not sure you really understand that the remote repping isn't why they were surviving DD's
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2009.10.12 17:08:00 -
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I went after a supercarrier with an assault-frig and killed 2 of the bombers before it pulled them. I think each of those 'overpowered' fighter bombers did 2.4 damage to my ishkur.. hardly any damage at all.
ofc, those citadel/XL size weapons on the fighter bombers do pack a punch on other caps, but a fleet of a HIC, 2 logistics, 10 AFs and 10ish BS should eventually kill it unless it got some help fast.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.12 19:19:00 -
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Ya as long as you can keep the drones dead it's pretty weak. However it can still do the drop 20 sentries, fire, pull 20 sentries immediately thing that all carriers can do for pretty devestating effect.
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Af'ilia
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Posted - 2009.10.12 22:13:00 -
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it can drop 25 sentrys....
drop 25 more...
drop 25 more...
you can hold about 2k sentrys in there... dont even pick em up man..
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xttz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.12 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Af'ilia it can drop 25 sentrys....
drop 25 more...
drop 25 more...
you can hold about 2k sentrys in there... dont even pick em up man..
If only it were possible to shoot ships from 61km away...
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.12 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Af'ilia it can drop 25 sentrys....
drop 25 more...
drop 25 more...
you can hold about 2k sentrys in there... dont even pick em up man..
Surprise they can already do this
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.10.12 22:39:00 -
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Protip: the stated goal of moms is to combat other capships.
This is like saying dreads are OP because they can take down POSs, or saying that HICs are OP because they have bubbles. It's just mind-numbingly stupid.
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Af'ilia
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Posted - 2009.10.13 07:13:00 -
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thing about caps is... 1 dread vs 40 frigs... who wins? the frigs...
1 dread vs mom... who wins? moms...
40 frigs vs 1 mom... wins... MOM!? wtf?
titan vs 30 bs... bs wins 2 hours later (with dominion dd)
mom vs 30 bs... wtf? mom pasive tanks? mom wins again...
it will take a well trained fleet to take down a mom... (thats if the mom is now alone...) WHICH NEVER HAPPENS??
I call nerf.
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.13 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 13/10/2009 07:44:10
Originally by: Af'ilia thing about caps is... 1 dread vs 40 frigs... who wins? the frigs...
1 dread vs mom... who wins? moms...
40 frigs vs 1 mom... wins... MOM!? wtf?
titan vs 30 bs... bs wins 2 hours later (with dominion dd)
mom vs 30 bs... wtf? mom pasive tanks? mom wins again...
it will take a well trained fleet to take down a mom... (thats if the mom is now alone...) WHICH NEVER HAPPENS??
I call nerf.
So please tell me how 30 bs stop a titan from warping off or jumping out?
In your little cute perfect world scenarios you are aware that a shield tanking titan is going to have a larger passive tank than a shield tanking MS right? The only way your plan works is if the shield tanking MS somehow has a massive passive regen that requires it to be completely devoted to being passive and the titan is amarr with no rep to speak of. Otherwise the supercap wins in both scenarios. But we both know how well you and logic mix by now.
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