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MAIL CALL	Posted - 2009.10.10 07:59:00 - [1] I finally got into a Manticore and i cant fit this thing out i run out of grid or i cant find a way to be cap stable. If anyone can supply me a solo and group fit T2 or T1 doesn't matter and any info on how to fly this thing would be great.
Allaera Caldari Star Phukkers Incorporated	Posted - 2009.10.10 08:35:00 - [2] Well for starters "cap stability" in pvp really is a non-issue as fights generally don't last longer than a couple of minutes. Secondly, a bomber can dish out a a lot of damage for it's size so is high on the "KILL IT NOW!!!!" list so the last thing you want to do is hang around for too long which, indirectly, negates the cap issue. I don't fly bombers outside of FW missions anymore but when I did I would get off a volley, wait for impact, cloak/warp out, wait a few seconds and decloak/warp back....rinse and repeat. Of course this technique is only viable for gang work but imo a bomber isn't a solo boat. There are many ships that solo so much better than a bomber, use them. As for your grid problem....0ne word: Skills. failing that try Micro Auxillary Power Core
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:57:00 - [3] cap stablility is a non-issue your going to want a MWD and a cloak and a rack of torps, the idea is to attack in wolfpacks and take out a target without getting hit. here that means stay at rage and stay aligned for 0.0 gang work... [Manticore, abalest manti 1 BCU] Ballistic Control System II Micro B66 Core Augmentation Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Bomb Launcher I, Electron Bomb Ancillary Current Router I Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I requires 1% grid plant with AWU 4 has a MWD, painters, and a MSE to turn your papter thin "tank" into a slightly more sturdy wet cardboard tank. at least it allows you to align in time is the buffer worth the small decrease in dps? only you can be the judge of that
Vidi Angelus Caldari Axis and Alloys Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.10 13:10:00 - [4] Originally by: rubico1337 cap stablility is a non-issue your going to want a MWD and a cloak and a rack of torps, the idea is to attack in wolfpacks and take out a target without getting hit. here that means stay at rage and stay aligned for 0.0 gang work... [Manticore, abalest manti 1 BCU] Ballistic Control System II Micro B66 Core Augmentation Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Bomb Launcher I, Electron Bomb Ancillary Current Router I Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I requires 1% grid plant with AWU 4 has a MWD, painters, and a MSE to turn your papter thin "tank" into a slightly more sturdy wet cardboard tank. at least it allows you to align in time is the buffer worth the small decrease in dps? only you can be the judge of that I'll disagree completly, Cap stability can be vital. While bombers do shine in wolfpacks, they also shine for solo work as well. [Manticore, Indy] Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Faint Warp Disruptor I Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 100 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Bomb Launcher I, Concussion Bomb Ancillary Current Router I Low Friction Nozzle Joints I I lost a kill on a Viator yesterday because I didn't have the cap to bump him away from gate more than twice while running dual painters, with the above setup you can engage more targets solo. You can also be an advanced tackler for your gang (neut proof) just swap the agility rig for an anti explosive shield rig.
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.10.10 13:19:00 - [5] Edited by: rubico1337 on 10/10/2009 13:19:08 Originally by: Vidi Angelus While bombers do shine in wolfpacks, they also shine for solo work as well. any competently flown AF, ceptor. will kill you easily. then again anything competently flown will kill you. your setup is used for doing what you did, preying on non-combat targets. and any ship can do that. if you want to solo in a frig hull get a ranis. bombers are MADE for wolfpacks and as dps support for fast gangs
BuckStrider Wreckless Abandon Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:51:00 - [6] Bombers are real fun to fly, right up until the time you get targeted by a inty/af/crusier/hac....Then your running like a little girl. Training to Covert Ops 5 and T2 torps makes all the difference in the world if your serious about flying them, you'll also need AWU 5 to make it easier to fit without the use of grid implants. I found that speed fitting them seems to work the best for the inevitable GTFO or for bombing runs. [Manticore, Arby Boomer] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Bomb Launcher I, Concussion Bomb Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Align and warp in 4 sec (w/ good gang boost), 489dps w/ faction ======================= [Manticore, Boomer2] Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Phased Monopropellant I Hydrazine Boosters Target Painter II Target Painter II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Bomb Launcher I, Concussion Bomb Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Align and warp in 3.6 sec (w/ good gang boost) 495dps with t2 rage (with the 2 tp and crash booster, rage torps are very viable)
Djakku Gallente Heavens Gate Consortium Distant Drums	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:58:00 - [7] Stealth bombers are almost useless solo after the patch. You need a gang of them, some with warp disruptors, and some some with target painters. If you're not going to fit either a warp disruptor or a target painter, then definately fit some Sensor dampeners with scan res dampening scripts, this will make your target take a long time to lock onto you and hopefully by the time it does it will be dead due to the immense dps your gang is giving out. Also never fit a mwd, fit an afterburner, mwd will increase your sig radius, making it easier to lock you, which is the opposite of what you want. You will have trouble fitting T2 Siege launchers, so fit Meta 4's. Ballistic Control II's in the low slots ofc. Also, be careful if your going to rig it, Missile rigs will use up your CPU, unless ofc you have missile rigging to a high level. I suggest some speed rigs, or cap rigs, or EW rigs, but that is entirely a personal choice. ------------------------------------------------
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:11:00 - [8] NEVER fit a point on a SB. SBs cannot fit tanks beyond maybe one plate or one shield extender; If you get in point range, you will die horribly to any ship with drones or any ship with medium/small guns...which is every combat ship in EVE. The last SB I saw with a point tried to tackle me in a belt to let his friends come in and gank me. He was dead within the ~8 seconds it took them to warp in.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Djakku Stealth bombers are almost useless solo after the patch. You need a gang of them, some with warp disruptors, and some some with target painters. If you're not going to fit either a warp disruptor or a target painter, then definately fit some Sensor dampeners with scan res dampening scripts, this will make your target take a long time to lock onto you and hopefully by the time it does it will be dead due to the immense dps your gang is giving out. Also never fit a mwd, fit an afterburner, mwd will increase your sig radius, making it easier to lock you, which is the opposite of what you want. You will have trouble fitting T2 Siege launchers, so fit Meta 4's. Ballistic Control II's in the low slots ofc. Also, be careful if your going to rig it, Missile rigs will use up your CPU, unless ofc you have missile rigging to a high level. I suggest some speed rigs, or cap rigs, or EW rigs, but that is entirely a personal choice. Worst. Advice. Ever. For just about everything you wrote, the opposite is true. Troll? Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
MAIL CALL	Posted - 2009.10.10 19:31:00 - [10] Thanks for all the info guys it looks like i still have more skilling to do.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Axis and Alloys Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.10 22:56:00 - [11] Edited by: Vidi Angelus on 10/10/2009 22:59:22 Edited by: Vidi Angelus on 10/10/2009 22:58:21 Originally by: rubico1337 Edited by: rubico1337 on 10/10/2009 13:19:08 Originally by: Vidi Angelus While bombers do shine in wolfpacks, they also shine for solo work as well. any competently flown AF, ceptor. will kill you easily. then again anything competently flown will kill you. your setup is used for doing what you did, preying on non-combat targets. and any ship can do that. if you want to solo in a frig hull get a ranis. bombers are MADE for wolfpacks and as dps support for fast gangs And how many of those ships can warp cloaked, throw bombs & has the align time and speed of a frigate? I can pick on industrials with almost complete impunity. I can sit outside a station and watch the industrials undock, warp to a gate. I can follow them and arrive at the gate before they get there, without showing on scan for more than the second it takes to jump. Most of all, a bomber can go AFK for for half a day and remain present in local without having to gimp sensor resolution. Bombers arn't MADE to do anything, they have attributes that lend them to certain tasks.
rubico1337 Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises	Posted - 2009.10.11 00:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Vidi Angelus And how many of those ships can warp cloaked, throw bombs & has the align time and speed of a frigate? I can pick on industrials with almost complete impunity. I can sit outside a station and watch the industrials undock, warp to a gate. I can follow them and arrive at the gate before they get there, without showing on scan for more than the second it takes to jump. Quote: your setup is used for doing what you did, preying on non-combat targets. and any ship can do that. i rest my case. and yes, several other ships can do that. covert recons, vagabonds and intys are good examples i wouldnt be surprised if you could get killed by a battlebadger Originally by: Vidi Angelus Most of all, a bomber can go AFK for for half a day and remain present in local without having to gimp sensor resolution. thats a problem with local, not an advantage of the bomber
Vidi Angelus Caldari Axis and Alloys Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.11 01:15:00 - [13] Edited by: Vidi Angelus on 11/10/2009 01:17:03 Edited by: Vidi Angelus on 11/10/2009 01:15:57 Originally by: rubico1337 Quote: your setup is used for doing what you did, preying on non-combat targets. and any ship can do that. i rest my case. and yes, several other ships can do that. covert recons, vagabonds and intys are good examples i wouldnt be surprised if you could get killed by a battlebadger Originally by: Vidi Angelus Most of all, a bomber can go AFK for for half a day and remain present in local without having to gimp sensor resolution. thats a problem with local, not an advantage of the bomber Covert recons align slower and are drastically easier to catch in organized gatecamps than stealthbombers. Not to mention they cost 5 times as much. Inties + Vagas can't bomb a station undock - A hauler can't align in time or redock for 30 seconds, its essentially fatal. if there's even a couple of enemy ships those mentioned cannot engage safely, where a bomber can. You rest your case without stating anything new, or making any kind of counter point Its irrelevant if local is a problem or not, that doesn't stop it being an advantage for the bomber. Even without local you appear on enemy addressbooks, and if not cloaked, are probable.
Valadeya uthanaras GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2009.10.13 14:27:00 - [14] Bomber can be used very effectivly to solo , and do so with great power, you just have to think out of the boxed mind most ppl are stuck in In my opinion, bomber are close or the best solo ships in the game atm, when used properly, as show by: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Valadeya+uthanaras So for a manti solo/small gang fit: Covert Cloaking device Bomb launcher(electron bomb - yes you want the EM damage one!!!) 3x Arbalest Siege missile launcher (caldary navy juggernault) Top named Target Painter or Shield Extender(personal choice) Warp disruptor II Small Capacitor Booster II (cap charge 75) 1MN top-named Microwarpdrive (preferably coreli c-type) Auxilliary power core Ballistic control II 2 Small polycarbon rig
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.13 14:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras Bomber can be used very effectivly to solo... as show by: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Valadeya+uthanaras I think we must have different definitions of 'solo' since I can't see any solo kills with your SB in that link... If by 'solo' you mean 'gang support', then yes you are correct. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
Taedrin Gallente White Horizon	Posted - 2009.10.13 15:24:00 - [16] Originally by: Kahega Amielden NEVER fit a point on a SB. SBs cannot fit tanks beyond maybe one plate or one shield extender; If you get in point range, you will die horribly to any ship with drones or any ship with medium/small guns...which is every combat ship in EVE. The last SB I saw with a point tried to tackle me in a belt to let his friends come in and gank me. He was dead within the ~8 seconds it took them to warp in. QFT. Stealth Bombers have a tank made out of papier-mGchT. Bring a proper tackler, or if you need something cloaky, bring a rapier/arazu combo since they can tackle at range. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made.
Vidi Angelus Caldari Axis and Alloys Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Kahega Amielden NEVER fit a point on a SB. SBs cannot fit tanks beyond maybe one plate or one shield extender; If you get in point range, you will die horribly to any ship with drones or any ship with medium/small guns...which is every combat ship in EVE. The last SB I saw with a point tried to tackle me in a belt to let his friends come in and gank me. He was dead within the ~8 seconds it took them to warp in. QFT. Stealth Bombers have a tank made out of papier-mGchT. Bring a proper tackler, or if you need something cloaky, bring a rapier/arazu combo since they can tackle at range. Half true, Stealthbomber are paper thin, so go for that ratter who's filled his entire drone bay with heavy drones, and can't track you with BS sized weapons. but your best bet is to prey on Haulers, A T1 hauler dies in two volleys, If you hit a resist hole even blockade runners are a viable target (never underestimate the amount of people who fly half AFK when theres only a single cloaked red who hasn't done anything for 8 hours) Its never going to be able to engage as many targets as other ships, but in the right hands, its also one of the most difficult ships to die in. Talking Vaga level K/D ratio. But the Stealthbomber is definatly a small gang ship. Two bombers& a falcon fit something like below makes for a pretty deadly stealthy combo. Bombers will put out about 1K DPS- Each packing a single damp (scan res), Falcon will jam targets (and if it misses a cycle, its still going to take forever to lock. Neuts on the falcon (yes you read that right) will destabilize the infamously unstable cap of almost all ratting ships. Bombers tackle+damp, then Falcon decloaks, jams&Neuts. If you pack for a resist not used (such as explosive in catch, where the rats deal EM/Therm) they'll melt like butter. [Falcon, Bombersupport] Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Signal Distortion Amplifier II ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II ECM - Phase Inverter II ECM - Ion Field Projector II ECM - White Noise Generator II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II (Probe launcher/Small neut, etc) Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I Warrior II x2 /ECM drones
Valadeya uthanaras GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Terminus Vindictus Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras Bomber can be used very effectivly to solo... as show by: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Valadeya+uthanaras I think we must have different definitions of 'solo' since I can't see any solo kills with your SB in that link... If by 'solo' you mean 'gang support', then yes you are correct. Just because you dont want to take time to look properly: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=8244778 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=8212426 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=8189378 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7954603 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7873405 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7644955 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7644622 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7638614 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7623168 http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=7578482 and from old corp: http://corp1.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=kills&iname=Valadeya uthanaras&mode=solo next time get your fact right,
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:14:00 - [19] Most combat pilots don't consider a good "solo" ship to be one that can only engage lone haulers or mission runners already heavily engaged with rats (in essence, letting the rats do the work). I'm not saying that isn't a viable or enjoyable tactic mind you. The MWD vs AB debate is long and distinguished. In general I decide which setup to use dependant on how likely I am to have to deal with hostile bubble camps. As a general rule, anything fast enought to run me down when I am running a good AB is something I'll want to temp cloak or warp away from if it comes after me. T2 launchers limit your fittings a bit, but the range advantage you gain from Javelins is significant. I tend to go with T2. EW is generally superior to a thin buffer tank, especially in bomber groups. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Securitas Protector Stealthfield Ihatalo Cartel Navy	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:29:00 - [20] My covert-ops/bomber/recon corporation recommends the following fit (for a nemesis, similar fit on a manticore. NEMESIS: 3x 'Arbalest' Siege Launchers, Caldari Navy Inferno 1x Covert Ops Cloak II 1x Bomb Launcher I /OFFLINE 1x Phased Monopropellant Hydrazine Boosters 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Parallel Weapon Navigation Diameter (PWND, whichever one that is) 1x Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script 2x Ballistic Control II Offline 1 BCU and online Bomb Launcher as needed. -Securitas Proud to be shaych
Skyvyr Caldari House Of BlackStar Semper-Mortis	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Terminus Vindictus Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras Bomber can be used very effectivly to solo... as show by: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Valadeya+uthanaras I think we must have different definitions of 'solo' since I can't see any solo kills with your SB in that link... If by 'solo' you mean 'gang support', then yes you are correct. Maybe not that link, but I believe Vala does have quite a few (over 100) solo kills in the hound. -- I often heard the Sky's the limit, sadly I'm broke fairly often.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.13 16:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Skyvyr Originally by: Terminus Vindictus Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras Bomber can be used very effectivly to solo... as show by: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Valadeya+uthanaras I think we must have different definitions of 'solo' since I can't see any solo kills with your SB in that link... If by 'solo' you mean 'gang support', then yes you are correct. Maybe not that link, but I believe Vala does have quite a few (over 100) solo kills in the hound. Yep, in the Hound and Purifier. His fits reflect his style of combat (belt/mission ambush), mine reflect small gang warfare. Both are quite viable (and fun) with the SB. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Skyvyr Caldari House Of BlackStar Semper-Mortis	Posted - 2009.10.13 17:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Ranger 1 Yep, in the Hound and Purifier. His fits reflect his style of combat (belt/mission ambush), mine reflect small gang warfare. Both are quite viable (and fun) with the SB. I don't dispute that. Eventually I'll try to fly one decently, however my missile skills are utter crap right now. -- I often heard the Sky's the limit, sadly I'm broke fairly often.
Valadeya uthanaras GK inc. Panda Team	Posted - 2009.10.13 17:25:00 - [24] Hehe ,Good to see you Skyvyr Well to reply to ranger, The op was asking for cap stability, and I was sharing the fit I use (on the nemesis...) that get its cap stability from the capacitor booster. I also agree, this is not a low-sec pvp ship, its a solo-roaming nullsec ship that have proven itself really good at it because of 3 things: Cloak to be able to go around massive bubblecamp Speed for when a tons of the "target" friend show up, but also as a speed tank (outrun medium and large drone, low damage from missile (I have halo set to help there too ) But With a main difference than other "rat are the damage" solo ship, the thing deal around 500 dps(that close to a zealot btw) on normally low resist hole(em with a puri or explo with a hound) boosted with a engagement start bomb---aka you raven had shield ....) so contrary than other ship that bet on the npc damage to kill , this thing can do it when there is no npc... In fact most of the damage from npcon the killmail on 80%+ of my solokill come from previous grinding, when iI engage without any npc help ^^ Its also really effective to trap some AF setup and interceptor, so far I have around 40 T2 frig solo kills ^^
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2009.10.13 17:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Vidi Angelus And how many of those ships can warp cloaked, throw bombs & has the align time and speed of a frigate? I can pick on industrials with almost complete impunity. I can sit outside a station and watch the industrials undock, warp to a gate. I can follow them and arrive at the gate before they get there, without showing on scan for more than the second it takes to jump. ZOMG, you can hunt haulers with impunity!? That's amazing, I wish I could do that. pr0 solo pvp boat you have there.
MAIL CALL	Posted - 2009.10.14 05:17:00 - [26] Thanks for the advice and the fittings i guess ill have to use an inty as a placebo till i adequately have the skills to fit the manti correctly. Also since the patch are the Torpedoes adequately matched with the cruise missiles?
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.14 06:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras next time get your fact right, What facts? Just making an observation. Next time post the correct link to what you want people to see, and not some general KB link that requires people to sort through a bunch of other stuff that's not relevant to this. Out. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.

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