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Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 10:16:00 - [1] Hello. Please take this seriously as I have come up with a brilliant new idea for a ship. It is a caldari ship. and I designed it to be a 'Capital Industrial Ship'. I have drawn some sketches and diagrams of it and even made a model if you want them. It would have 8 turret hardpoints which can only fit mining lasers (just standard mining lasers not strip miners). It would have about the same mining yield as a Hulk in the end. It would have a corporate hangar array of around 30,000m3 (just an idea you can design all of this yourself if necessary). A cargo hold slightly lesser than an Orcas. A small jump drive for short range jumps. And a ship maintenance array. and an ore hold. I have decided to call it the 'Gull'. As most caldari ships are named after birds and gulls scavange in a way. Thanks for reading. Please let me know even if you do not want the idea. Yours faithfully Oliver Stoner.
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 10:24:00 - [2] Well some people in game are telling me it is too god to be feesable. Maybe a ship with half the mining yield of a hulk and half the total capacity of an orca? Please can I note I did not intend it to be able to fit mining foreman link modules.
Lord Cath	Posted - 2009.10.10 10:27:00 - [3] I'll tell you why I wont support it, even though it might make a miners life a little more comfortable. It's one of those ideas thats just too overpowered. in my opinion it's going to make both the Hulk as well as the Orca obsolete. I do understand that a hulk with no storage capacity can be a bit of a pain, especialy when there is no orca buddy around. but getting the two ships in 1 mega mining ship is just too much I'm affraid. An addition might be that these ships can only be used in 0.0 or somesuch, but then again, thats why Hulk's were designed in the first place if I'm not mistaken.
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 10:29:00 - [4] I believe capital industrial ships can be used in high sec but I may be mistaken. I thought it would be a good idea for small mining ops like 1 hulk 1 orca. But if you only have 1 hulk why would you need a whole orca? So this is why I made my idea.
General Escobar	Posted - 2009.10.10 10:30:00 - [5] Hey Stoner, first of all it being a caldari ship is an awesome idea. Caldari ftw *raises fist I like your idea because it would be sort of a ubermining ship which i had thought of myselve a couple of times, but i bet all the Macro Miners out there would be very pleased to have one too and believe me you wouldn`t want those guys to get their hands on something like this... Market would just collapse me thinks. On the other hand, if this thing was only for low or null sec, macros would prolly not use it, unless there is an alliance protecting them. Which i don`t believe any alliance would do but still, there is the chance that could happen. I like your idea and i hope pple will discuss this matter a little more. Fly safe...
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 10:39:00 - [6] I think that empire macroers will instantly go for the max yield. And a hulk is in that favour. Which pushes me to think that this ship will only be used for honest small mining ops
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 10:44:00 - [7] Oh yeah forgot to suuport it
OwlManAtt Gallente Yasashii Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.10 11:45:00 - [8] Quote: I believe capital industrial ships can be used in high sec but I may be mistaken. No. The Rorqual is the only capital industrial ship, and as it cannot use gates, they are unable to operate there. Industrial Command Ships (the Orca) lack a jump drive but can use gates. Orcas operate in highsec. Quote: It is a caldari ship. No. The barges, Rorq, and Orca are faction ships developed by Outer Ring Excavations. If your proposed ship were to be Caldari, then they would need to add similar ships for the other three races. All ships for the one playable race has a rough equivalent in the other three. Quote: It would have a corporate hangar array of around 30,000m3 (just an idea you can design all of this yourself if necessary). A cargo hold slightly lesser than an Orcas. A small jump drive for short range jumps. And a ship maintenance array. and an ore hold. No. Problems: * This would be abused as a jump freighter if you made it slightly smaller than an Orca. An Orca fit out for hauling (T2 expanders, T1 cargo rigs, IDC IV) can move ~179,000m3 (only 50,000m3 of which needs to be ore). It can move 400,000m3 worth of rigged ships (20 frigate hulls in addition to other cargo + as much ammo as you can fit in there). For comparison, the Rhea is ~353,250m3 of cargo space (freighter IV required, so +20% to the base cargo, neh?). * Haulers and mining ships have been kept separate. This promotes teamwork. This model has not been broken in all the time EVE has been out and it is working perfectly fine. I see no reason to add an nber-barge that can mine for two hours by itself; it isn't addressing a problem. * There's no reason to put a corp hangar on a mining barge. Carriers have them because they are combat logistics ships; they can bring replacement ships to the field, allow you to refit with different mods, and can bring additional ammo/fuel to the fight. Rorq/Orcas are mining support platforms; they also allow refits and can bring fresh mining crystals / ice / gas harvesters to the excavation site. All that aside, if you've done concept art on a Caldari-style ship, please post it somewhere. Everybody loves fan art. --- Owl
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:10:00 - [9] It doesn't necessarily have to have a jump drive or a corproate hangar array or a ship maintenance array as long as it has a decent ore hold. I would like it to be smaller than an orca and have a yield a bit more than a retriever. All ORE ships have a faction just look under preview e.g. orca is caldari ndustrial command ship. I never designed it for solo miing but small mining ops because 1 gull and 1 hulk is better than 1 orca and 1 hulk as yield is alot more and there is still a decent capacity. Ok?
StevenGod	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:53:00 - [10] Sounds like a good ship. I think it will encourage afk mining but then again so does the power of 2 offer with 1 orca and 1 hulk. Thumbs up for Sir Stoer on this one.

romp shabado	Posted - 2009.10.10 13:09:00 - [11] sounds good to me.
King W	Posted - 2009.10.10 13:15:00 - [12] I think you should make the ore hold big and the cargo hold quite small so people can't use it as a transport then trasport stays in logistics and this would be a full mining ship i like this ida same ship Size but one High Slot with tractor bonus but mske it a drone Mining ship that give Big bonuses to the mining drones (mining carrier) give masive Bonuse to the drones so it will get as mutch as the retrever with max Skills but the drones would keep Macro miners from using thim becus NPC normly pop thim first
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 13:23:00 - [13] Great idea but you seemed to lke it so why did you not show support?
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 13:28:00 - [14] So we're onto the idea of being a mining carrier with small cargo but big ore hold. With big bonus' for mining drones. Is there some way we could let is have loads of drones like a normal carrier?
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:07:00 - [15] BUMP
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:30:00 - [16] If the ship has a small cargo but big ore hold the miner will need to be at the computer all the time to constantly switch ore from cargo to ore hold am I right? So that completely eliminates the afk mining problem. So atm we are either thinking of a mining carrier.
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Lord Cath I'll tell you why I wont support it, even though it might make a miners life a little more comfortable. It's one of those ideas thats just too overpowered. in my opinion it's going to make both the Hulk as well as the Orca obsolete. I do understand that a hulk with no storage capacity can be a bit of a pain, especialy when there is no orca buddy around. but getting the two ships in 1 mega mining ship is just too much I'm affraid. An addition might be that these ships can only be used in 0.0 or somesuch, but then again, thats why Hulk's were designed in the first place if I'm not mistaken. not supported. eve is about teamwork. hulk(s)+orca=win.
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:17:00 - [18] Darius you obviously haven't been bothered to read this post. It was not designed for solo mining, it was designed for small mininbg ops. And if it is only about teamwork why do people do missions on their own and do pvp on thier own?
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:24:00 - [19] well for small mining ops the orca as is, is 100% fine. my corp often just have 1 miner and an orca sitting in a belt. no need for a new ship.
Florida Eagle	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:26:00 - [20] While the concept is great, it does not promote a very important part of EVE play, which is team work, either from players with 2 accoutns or with other members in a corp, I do the samething using 2 accounts 1 account with a Mamothand a Ret while the other account is in a Hulk. the only thing that needs to be address here is the ability to sheild the Ret better, but I am working on that with my skills

Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:53:00 - [21] Well I think the whole concept of mining needs to be more dynamic. Rather than locking a rock and activating lasers. I'm begin to like the whole idea of a mining carrier here, and If enough people like the idea of having loads of mining drones flying around the place we could ditch the whole idea of having a huge ore hold and make it purely a mining carrier. Anyone like this idea?
Sir Stoner	Posted - 2009.10.10 16:01:00 - [22] Maybe we could also get a large mining drone the size of a fighter.
darius mclever	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:02:00 - [23] you will get more dynamic mining. see this video from the fanfest where they talk about comet and ring mining.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.10.10 19:37:00 - [24] Mining Rokh + jetcans + Orca in station = Your ship. Not supported.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.10.10 21:26:00 - [25] Quote: Please read last psot made by me before reading this thanks When I find ur psot. I will read it entirely. Quote: Hello. Please take this seriously as I have come up with a brilliant new idea for a ship. It is a caldari ship. terrible idea. Quote: t would have 8 turret hardpoints which can only fit mining lasers (just standard mining lasers not strip miners). It would have a bit more of a mining yield than a retriever. so a rokh? Quote: It would have a cargo hold slightly lesser than an Orcas and an ore hold. Rokh with giant cargo. gtfo. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Expert Troll	Posted - 2009.10.10 22:06:00 - [26] So you're a Caldari player asking to CCP make a Caldari only super ultra mega AFK mining ship? Screw the other races, make them train Caldari! That's about as fair and balanced as MSNBC. How about no.
Keitoshi Yamada Caldari MJOCO Botanical Entheogenics Division	Posted - 2009.11.16 23:27:00 - [27] Edited by: Keitoshi Yamada on 16/11/2009 23:29:54 Originally by: Jason Edwards Quote: Please read last psot made by me before reading this thanks When I find ur psot. I will read it entirely. Quote: Hello. Please take this seriously as I have come up with a brilliant new idea for a ship. It is a caldari ship. terrible idea. Quote: t would have 8 turret hardpoints which can only fit mining lasers (just standard mining lasers not strip miners). It would have a bit more of a mining yield than a retriever. so a rokh? Quote: It would have a cargo hold slightly lesser than an Orcas and an ore hold. Rokh with giant cargo. gtfo. This. Just make a hauler alt and mine in a Rokh. It more than slightly outmines a Retriever. If you want to truly solo mine, get a Chimera or a Wyvern with DCU's. and Miner II's. Outmines a hulk and hauls for itself. Oh, and tell me where you'll be mining, so I can... erm... mine.... with you. =>_>= Originally by: Sir Stoner Edited by: Sir Stoner on 10/10/2009 13:34:51 Edited by: Sir Stoner on 10/10/2009 12:37:08 Please read last psot made by me before reading this thanks Hello. Please take this seriously as I have come up with a brilliant new idea for a ship. It is a caldari ship. and I designed it to be a cross miner/hauler for small mining operations that do not require an orca. I have drawn some sketches and diagrams of it and even made a model if you want them. It would have 8 turret hardpoints which can only fit mining lasers (just standard mining lasers not strip miners). It would have a bit more of a mining yield than a retriever. It would have a cargo hold slightly lesser than an Orcas and an ore hold. I have decided to call it the 'Gull'. As most caldari ships are named after birds and gulls scavange in a way. Thanks for reading. Please let me know even if you do not want the idea. Yours faithfully Oliver Stoner. The fact that you even humoured the idea of a /Caldari-only/ mining barge is proof of how fail this is. I mean, honestly, if you want some strength in your idea, what ships do the other 3 races get?
Kiljaedenas	Posted - 2009.11.17 00:51:00 - [28] Dude, there are already more than enough 'roid mining ships out there. They don't need another one, and when it comes to mining the mining RATE is king, not just cargo capacity. And therefore, given your description of its abilities, the Hulk would kick the crap out of this thing. Not supported.
Alizandro Goderaski Broski Enterprises No Fun Allowed	Posted - 2009.11.17 10:57:00 - [29] You people have the worst troll senses in the universe. btw I suppplot but only if i Ican get a minamatar minning batlership to.
Al'kanree	Posted - 2009.11.17 11:04:00 - [30] no supported.



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