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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.01.31 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 31/01/2011 11:52:22
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Behavioral, subjective impression:
* Ji Sama is a person of strong feelings. This should have prompted caution among some of the investors.
this.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha something made more and more unlikely the more people harp about her scamming imho
that's my impression, too (as it is pretty much the way I would behave when in a situation similar to the one outlined by VV)
Originally by: Lederstrumpf "Anyone buying [..] deserve to lose their money, just like some idiot who decides to undock with a PLEX. Its just Darwinism."
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1365064
nice out-of-context quoting.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.31 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf "Anyone buying [..] deserve to lose their money, just like some idiot who decides to undock with a PLEX. Its just Darwinism."
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1365064
That's first time I've seen that link, that's some really **** posting, Ji looks like an unstable troll in it. TBH If that's the personality displayed in even 10% of posts I'm surprised anyone gave it isk?
Anyway, that aside, I wouldn't call this a SCAM, it's a theft. It's worse than a planned scam, imo, because it's layered with hypocrisy "I'm closing my business, I got so upset about being scammed/stolen from by other people!" and then not giving the isk back yourself? Worse, by far.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2011.01.31 13:16:00 -
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Ji had hypocrisy written all over him shortly after TMP IPO started.
Funny thing is, I was one of the original auditor :(
Originally by: Rheeii
Whats he going to be probing with CORE probes?
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Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
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Posted - 2011.01.31 13:24:00 -
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I think Ji will be pay it back eventually...
of course I have nothing to back this up but gut feeling --- RL Meeting w/ Chribba
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2011.01.31 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson Ji had hypocrisy written all over him shortly after TMP IPO started.
Funny thing is, I was one of the original auditor :(
Character assassination isn't the most attractive posting style, you two have a personal issue - keep it personal.
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Dzil
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2011.01.31 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: laksmi2 Edited by: laksmi2 on 31/01/2011 10:01:54 excuse me being a noob and stuff but did tash murkon prime invest borrowed money into another public enterprise? what was the sense in that? would only make sense if the percentage on borrowed money would be much lower than the money received on lent money. does that mean tash murkon acted as a broker for investment and got burned in the process? the possible benefit could not have been mora than 1 or 2 %. id also rather go with the ragequit opinion but of course i have no clue. tash murkon prime probably worked their arse off for years for the lost money. let it be a warning to everybody. secondary market without ingame tools is just idiotic without collateral. and why would one need a loan when having collateral? but thats another topic.
Yea... from the moment Ji opted to do this I had a bad feeling about the investment... I may have even commented on it in some thread somewhere. He/She claimed it was worthwhile as a "blue chip", but when you're borrowing money at 5-10%/monthly it makes little to no sense to reinvest it for 1-2%/monthly (T4U).
Nonetheless, I think most people are just in it for the roleplay, in which case the actual monetary loss is insubstantial, the immersion breaker that is scamming in EVE tends to be more devastating. To get ripped off is one thing, to get ripped off and have that character evaporate, your wealth and chances at revenge escaping untraceable to an alt on the other side of the universe, that immediately kills any suspension of disbelief that this is just a game. Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
Dhar Mok
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Posted - 2011.01.31 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: Taram Caldar scam
Not that I feel the need to keep defending Ji, but IMO a scam implies a) that the person steals the isk to do RMT, or b) the person steals the isk and sends it to other chars that we don't know about, or c) the person remains on MD and gloats like a dying supernova for a couple of million years (T4U)
Since c is not the case, it is a question of you claiming a or b. My personal guess is that the isk is still sitting in Ji Samas account, so I suggest that this is a failure, not a scam.
Wrong a Scam implies begging, borrowing or otherwise obtaining other people's money with the stated intent to pay it back upon completion of your venture and then *not* paying the money back.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with RMT or sending it to other characters or gloating. A Scam is simply the act of borrowing isk claiming you will pay it back and then not doing so.
Don't try to candy coat it or change the definition just because you like someone.
Ji is currently in the act of a scam.... IF she pays it back then it will just be a late payment.
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.01.31 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Cista2 on 31/01/2011 23:22:15
Originally by: Dhar Mok a Scam implies begging, borrowing or otherwise obtaining other people's money with the stated intent to pay it back upon completion of your venture and then *not* paying the money back.
I am sorry sir, but you are sadly errant. What you are defining here is "failure", the failure to pay back money that was promised. A "scam" though is just that subcategory of "failures" that involved ill intent, either from the start or along the way. Ill intent understood as lying about the use of the money or the intent of use of the money at some point in the history of the venture.
Since we don't know if ill intent is involved, we can refer to TMPI as a failure, but you cannot really call it a scam untill we see that it fulfils one of my a,b,c definitions from the other post. As far as we know Ji Sama may have been hospitalised (like Cally) or hit by a bus (as Cally was) or even sentenced to jail in real life (as happened to ahm, Cally).
IMHO
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.02.01 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2 Edited by: Cista2 on 31/01/2011 23:22:15
Originally by: Dhar Mok a Scam implies begging, borrowing or otherwise obtaining other people's money with the stated intent to pay it back upon completion of your venture and then *not* paying the money back.
I am sorry sir, but you are sadly errant. What you are defining here is "failure", the failure to pay back money that was promised. A "scam" though is just that subcategory of "failures" that involved ill intent, either from the start or along the way. Ill intent understood as lying about the use of the money or the intent of use of the money at some point in the history of the venture.
I would tend to dissagree. I think this is exactly and clearly a scam at this point. Ji agreed to pay back their investors (I'm not one anymore so I'm fairly neutral on this) X isk at the completion of their business.
Ji then conducted business, as far as we know, in good faith. All was well.
Ji then had bad things(tm) happen to him in game which caused him to become jaded and upset. (stuff happens, tough. I have no sympathy. If one is going to conduct business on MD, as we have ALL said in the past, one has to have the intestinal fortitude to deal with "bad things").
Ji then stated that he was going to close their business down and repay investors. 2.5 months later, no further communication, character HAS been in game, no repayment of debt. Thus the statement is a *lie* as to what is going to be done with the money. You cannot ASSUME there is no ill intent here. Ji owes people money. Ji SAID that money would be paid back 3 months ago. That money is not paid back thus ill intent HAS to be assumed since we are led to believe that Ji DOES have the money AND has had the opportunity to pay it back.
I tend to agree with the others. Until Ji proves otherwise by repaying the debt this has to be classified as a scam, not a simple failure. Had it been a 'failure' Ji would have stated that the money was not there to repay investors 3 months ago. He didn't. He said he had the money AND would pay it back. He has NOT paid it back thus he was lying. Thus this is a scam until proven otherwise.
I find it ironic that you stand up to defend this. If this weren't Ji you'd be screaming scam to the heavens long before now. I think we've all given Ji quite enough leg room on this one. 3 months is plenty of time to have paid this off.
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