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The Ecstasy	Posted - 2009.10.17 23:58:00 - [1] MW2 for the PC will ship with NO dedicated server support, wave good bye to the MOD community and clans. bye bye Quote: * We're doing a lot on the backend to make the game accessible for everyone. * There is no delay for the PC version of MW2 * There's prestige mode * Jason West at the MP event, said that he was dead on, on the matchmaking servers. We've been building a system on the backend called IW.NET. * You are completely reliant on IW.NET. There are no server lists. There are no dedicated servers. * You have private matches where you can customize the game * You cannot put MW2 on a dedicated server. * This is the first time we've ever done something like this and the team has huge plans for what IW.NET develops into. * Customizing your game...you have quite a few options in a private match * You're getting same game (as in Console), plus matchmaking and private match. * Server admin point-of view, NO DEDICATED SERVERS
MooKids Caldari Azure Twilight Engineering	Posted - 2009.10.18 00:31:00 - [2] Edited by: MooKids on 18/10/2009 00:31:53 I don't think a boycott is in order, but this will certainly come to bite them in the ass. EDIT: Just realized I forgot to ask. Where did you get this information from? Linkage! -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
The Ecstasy	Posted - 2009.10.18 01:39:00 - [3] Sorry, try www.bashandslash.com but by this time tommorow the news will be everywhere.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.10.18 10:38:00 - [4] I just took a look at OOPE so I could make a post about this. Looks like you beat me to it by a few min. Hehe. MW2 won't be getting dedicated servers for the PC. Yet again, consoles are **ing up PC FPS. I made the mistake of buying Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, as it has no dedicated PC server support. Now the PC community is hearing rumors of a dedicated server for the PC version of OFPDR which is good news. I can't believe that IW is so stupid as to do this. My brother and I run a server hosting company, and we've just cancelled all our pre-orders for MW2. That's about three DOZEN copies of the game that we were going to license in order to get our servers up and running on release day. Oh well, another non-game hits the shelves. I won't be buying it for PC and I sure as hell won't be buying it for a console. You'd think these ****s would learn by now. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.* Tier 5 Battleships
Deathhawk Hammersmith Hardmen Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.10.18 11:01:00 - [5] these games are better on consoles anyway :) i will be getting it and loving it yay Chuck Norris wears Deathhawk pyjamas One image per sig please. Zymurgist Forum **** at its best. DH
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.10.18 11:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Deathhawk these games are better on consoles anyway :) Ahahaha, ahahahahahahaaha, ooohooohooohoohoo, hahahahaah, heheeeeeheeeeeheeeee, haaahahahahahaha, whew. Oh that was brilliant wipes tear from eye I actually thought you were serious for a moment there, hahahaha, fantastic, very good indeed. -------------
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.10.18 11:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Bellum Eternus You'd think these *******s would learn by now. Don't be stupid. If anything, this doesn't bother me as I prefer the console versions, never got on with the PC ones myself.
Xeaon Minmatar Lollipops for Rancors REIGN Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.18 11:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Xeaon on 18/10/2009 11:41:55 Think i'll actually cancel my order because of this Is it only valve that make fps games for pc now? Saying that even l4d had this ** /facepalm ------------ Originally by:** Righteous Fury Eve is not about the old preying on the new, its about the smart preying on the utterly incompetent.
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.18 11:51:00 - [9] I had been considering pre-ordering MW2 until I saw this, but I'm now firmly back in the boycott camp. I won't give money to Activision if they won't: a) Lower the RRP to normal price points b) Stop acting like almighty douches c) Support dedicated servers on the home of the FPS. ----- Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2009.10.18 12:55:00 - [10] Hmmm, I was buying the game for partly the singleplayer and the multiplayer. If L4D and console matchmaking tells me anything is that they never work right, ever. I think I shall wait and see until after release to get the game now. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##

JitaBum Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.10.18 13:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Deathhawk these games are better on consoles anyway :) are you on drugs
Deathhawk Hammersmith Hardmen Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.10.18 13:58:00 - [12] only game i play on my laptop is eve.. games like cod are a million times better on console Chuck Norris wears Deathhawk pyjamas One image per sig please. Zymurgist Forum **** at its best. DH
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2009.10.18 14:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Deathhawk only game i play on my laptop is eve.. games like cod are a million times better on console You people will be the death of PC gaming. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Dansel Gallente Omega-Fleet Motivated and Determined	Posted - 2009.10.18 14:00:00 - [14] For a less "Geeky" person, would someone minds explaining, or linking to an explanation, what the dedicated server EXACTLY does? Originally by: JitaBum Originally by: Deathhawk these games are better on consoles anyway :) are you on drugs I'm always on drugs And by the way, they should really separate sigs from the main post.
Lord Windu Echelon Warfare Unit	Posted - 2009.10.18 14:00:00 - [15] I play Eve and a number of single player games on the laptop but when it comes to things like COD, I get them on the PS3 as there is nothing better than lounging on the sofa while shooting people in the head. Also using the console I have friends round and we play split screen which is always good with a few drinks. ------ In Before Kanye West
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.10.18 14:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Dansel For a less "Geeky" person, would someone minds explaining, or linking to an explanation, what the dedicated server EXACTLY does? Dedicated servers are servers created by players, in which they have full control over. (kicking players out, installing server mods, etc)
MooKids Caldari Azure Twilight Engineering	Posted - 2009.10.18 14:35:00 - [17] Dedicated servers are computers devoted just to running the game. In essence like the EVE servers, although on a much smaller scale. More resources are in place enabling a larger number of players to participate in a game and smoother gameplay. As opposed to non-dedicated where the game is hosted by one player who is also playing. The processing power is diminished as it has to do two major things at once. This is also how some console games play, I know some of you have played Halo matches where someone leaves and it stops the game, because that player was hosting it. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.10.18 15:06:00 - [18] So no more 50+ players on one server? Always thought the maps were a bit too empty on consoles. __________________
Teetxe	Posted - 2009.10.18 16:16:00 - [19] Console fps is ** house. Its slower, and made for ****ed jocks who 10 years ago were calling gamers losers. Any true FPS gamer knows they need a pc. Congrats console jocks, you've ruined yet another great title. Also, being an australian this will basically kill MW2 in Aus/NZ. Not that IW care, we are after all only a fraction of their sales.
Deathhawk Hammersmith Hardmen Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.10.18 16:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Lord Windu I play Eve and a number of single player games on the laptop but when it comes to things like COD, I get them on the PS3 as there is nothing better than lounging on the sofa while shooting people in the head. Also using the console I have friends round and we play split screen which is always good with a few drinks. exactly Chuck Norris wears Deathhawk pyjamas One image per sig please. Zymurgist Forum **** at its best. DH

Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.18 16:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Lord Windu I play Eve and a number of single player games on the laptop but when it comes to things like COD, I get them on the PS3 as there is nothing better than lounging on the sofa while shooting people in the head. Also using the console I have friends round and we play split screen which is always good with a few drinks. Then you sir, are an idiot. All disrespect intended. You can do everything you listed using a Computer and the experience is easily a thousand times more enjoyable. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Arcirya	Posted - 2009.10.18 17:16:00 - [22] No dedicated servers No mods No custom maps gg Activision, then they'll blame sales on piracy and make it a console exclusive Their CEO even said he wants to "take all the fun out of making video games", no joke
Randomness17	Posted - 2009.10.18 17:21:00 - [23] Uber-nerd tears are so delectible. Seriously its just another game.
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.18 17:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Randomness17 Uber-nerd tears are so delectible. Seriously its just another game. "The phrase "you're posting on an internet spaceships forum and you're calling us nerds?" is bandied around all too frequently these days . . ." ----- Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Kappas. Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.10.18 17:50:00 - [25] There's a petition with 21000 signatures on it already __________________
Sys Root	Posted - 2009.10.18 17:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Bellum Eternus My brother and I run a server hosting company, and we've just cancelled all our pre-orders for MW2. I run a LAN center and we just did the same. It's sad because we run COD4 tournaments on the weekends and the guys were really looking formward to MW2. Hope IW reconsiders, these are tournaments with real money prizes so competition is pretty stiff and we obviously need full control on the box running the server, having the server hosted by a 3rd party is unacceptable.
Ace2001 Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.10.18 18:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Xeaon Edited by: Xeaon on 18/10/2009 11:41:55 Think i'll actually cancel my order because of this Is it only valve that make fps games for pc now? Saying that even l4d had this **** /facepalm Wait, what? L4D has plenty of dedicated servers and mods. Though I hate that they didn't have the server window like CS:S and etc. do by default, but it -is- there. Just gotta go to the consol and type "openserverbrowser" or w/e the command was. (Been ages since I've had to use it or even think of it.)
Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2009.10.18 19:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Ace2001 Originally by: Xeaon Edited by: Xeaon on 18/10/2009 11:41:55 Think i'll actually cancel my order because of this Is it only valve that make fps games for pc now? Saying that even l4d had this **** /facepalm Wait, what? L4D has plenty of dedicated servers and mods. Though I hate that they didn't have the server window like CS:S and etc. do by default, but it -is- there. Just gotta go to the consol and type "openserverbrowser" or w/e the command was. (Been ages since I've had to use it or even think of it.) A recent patch made is so when you attempted to start a lobby on a dedicated server, if you didn't find one straight away it went straight to starting a local without even saying a thing. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Bestofworst Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.18 19:30:00 - [29] No custom servers? No zombies. I'm not getting it. ---- My Music Anything I say is only what I think. If you have a problem with me, take it up with me.
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.10.18 20:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Lord Windu I play Eve and a number of single player games on the laptop but when it comes to things like COD, I get them on the PS3 as there is nothing better than lounging on the sofa while shooting people in the head. Also using the console I have friends round and we play split screen which is always good with a few drinks. Then you sir, are an idiot. All disrespect intended. You can do everything you listed using a Computer and the experience is easily a thousand times more enjoyable. To some, not to all.

The Agony	Posted - 2009.10.18 21:36:00 - [31] Official Petition can be found here 31k people have signed it in under 24 hours
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.10.18 21:50:00 - [32] What is amusing to me are console player's attitudes and reactions to this change. Typically they keep saying 'it's better on a console' when they've never tried it on a PC. Additionally, they don't seem to see the value in playing on a server where one person doesn't have a massive advantage over all the rest with network lag (because there is no 'host' player), or the value in having a game where it's more than eight players (4v4 at most). To the console players who don't get it: PC players have been the backbone of this franchise since it's inception, without PC players, there would be no COD of any sort. Dedicated servers are required for any decent level of PC performance. No dedicated servers, no PC gamers. Dedicated servers allow PC players to have consistent addresses where they can go to find their friends on popular servers, regardless if the host is there or not. Dedicated servers allow the development of custom mods and maps that keep the PC community playing the game long after it's original shelf life. I still know people who play BF2 and COD4 because of this. FPS games are better on PC because of the level of precision and control you have with a mouse and keyboard. Those of you (children) who were brought up on consoles wouldn't know this (lol). MW2 is just another huge disappointment in a long list of disappointments. Halo series, OFPDR (which might get a dedicated server now) and now MW2. What a waste. I logged into COD4 today to revisit it and when I started playing I realized just how long in the tooth it had become. It looks really old and dated. I've finally arrived at the point where looks matter to me in a game as well as gameplay. COD4 is tired, but it's replacement is worthless. I hope BF3 has a dedicated server... if it does, it will wipe the floor with MW2 for total overall sales figures, no question. Oh, and 31k+ signatures at $50-$60 a pop? That's over $1.68 million dollars. That's not pocket change. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
Sys Root	Posted - 2009.10.18 22:03:00 - [33] Originally by: The Agony Official Petition can be found here /signed
wallenbergaren	Posted - 2009.10.18 22:05:00 - [34] BF Bad Company 2 will be coming out before BF3 (and 1943 before that?), but ya, it will have dedicated servers Source: http://twitter.com/L_Twin/status/4964309159
Irida Mershkov Gallente War is Bliss	Posted - 2009.10.18 22:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Bellum Eternus What is amusing to me are console player's attitudes and reactions to this change. I don't actually think anyone in this thread has said that, outside though, most people are asshats either way. Quote: I hope BF3 has a dedicated server... if it does, it will wipe the floor with MW2 for total overall sales figures, no question. Oh, and 31k+ signatures at $50-$60 a pop? That's over $1.68 million dollars. That's not pocket change. Battlefield games always have dedicated servers, its one of DICEs usual promises, Battlefield -> COD every day.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.10.18 22:30:00 - [36] Originally by: wallenbergaren BF Bad Company 2 will be coming out before BF3 (and 1943 before that?), but ya, it will have dedicated servers Source: http://twitter.com/L_Twin/status/4964309159 BC2 looks REALLY good. If it has dedicated server support (nothing indicates it won't) it'll wipe the floor with MW2 in sales. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Tier 5 Battleships
FISHANDCHIPS	Posted - 2009.10.19 00:50:00 - [37] well im not buying that anymore i like the ability to choose what server i play on and what perks i can use
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.19 03:23:00 - [38] lol activision, the new EA
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.19 03:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Dedicated servers allow the development of custom mods and maps that keep the PC community playing the game long after it's original shelf life. I still know people who play BF2 and COD4 because of this. found the reason activison axed it.
FISHANDCHIPS	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:52:00 - [40] join channel IW PETITION and have your say on the matter it also contains links to the petition and the IW forum

Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:58:00 - [41] Think I'm going to wait for BF3 instead. It's confirmed to be in development, and BF2 and 2142 were some of my favourite games of all time. ----- Originally by: "CCP Whisper" Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:51:00 - [42] Outside of MMOs and ******ed fps mods, PC gaming is dead. In fact, it's been dead for a long time. Get over your snobbery and deal with it.
FISHANDCHIPS	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Outside of MMOs and ******ed fps mods, PC gaming is dead. In fact, it's been dead for a long time. Get over your snobbery and deal with it. Do us a favor please SHUT IT thanks
Pyrhus Taavi	Posted - 2009.10.19 18:03:00 - [44] Originally by: FISHANDCHIPS Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Outside of MMOs and ******ed fps mods, PC gaming is dead. In fact, it's been dead for a long time. Get over your snobbery and deal with it. Do us a favor please SHUT IT thanks Why? I'm not the one whining, inventing stereotypes, and signing (lol) internet petitions. The amount of asshattery displayed by PC gamers is astounding.
Deathhawk Hammersmith Hardmen Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:34:00 - [45] i cant wait for MW2 to come out on console its gonna be amazing :D Chuck Norris wears Deathhawk pyjamas One image per sig please. Zymurgist Forum **** at its best. DH
Bestofworst Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:35:00 - [46] Here's sometime I posted about PCs and Console gaming over at another forum in a dust 514 discussion: Quote: There are many advantages and disadvantages to using a PC over a console and vice versa. When you look at a PC, most people are working with a PC that are a few years old, or if you were like me, up till recently working with a PC half your age Laughing . Now what does this mean? It means that there will always be a varying degree of compatibility in PC Gamers. Some will have fast high-end machines with a good internet connection and play well. On the otherside of the spectrum you will have players with lowend PCs, good internet connection or not they will always have a disadvantage when it comes to preformance. Another problem with PCs is compatibility, most can agree that Eve on Linux is fustrating, and there are more than a few games that have trouble on Vista as well, this will also limit or affect player skill in some way. Along with that you have the players who aren't so tech savy, these players won't have high-end computers, and if they do they will still have trouble keeping their computer optimized for gameplay unless they have someone do it for them. On that same strand, as well, you have players who are very tech savy, these players will have 8 button mice, special keybinding keyboards and possibly multiple monitors. And finally metagaming, we can't forget metagaming, with something like PCs you will always have metagaming. Now with consoles it is entirely different. First off, everyone has relatively the same hardware. Not only that everyone will have the same controller, wired and wireless will be the only difference. And with a platform as homoganise as a 360, you will haev a simple system where everyone has the same hardware, software and are able to easily communicate with each other because it is provided by Microsoft. This also puts less of a load on people with little to no computer skills, and please reason with me, just because they don't know much about computers doesn't make them an idiot or inferior in some way, don't be ignorant (not directed at anyone but the people who complain about mouthbreathing Halo players). Now don't get me wrong, each side have their ups and downs. With consoles, you can't have self ran dedi-servers, custom games and there is no mod community to speak of, and that brings up a problem in porting from console to PC, will they pick up the Ifinity Ward way and run their own dedi-servers for Modern Warfare 2 on the PC? Not only that though, but you know CCP loves to give out free expansions, this is something Microsoft HATES WITH A PASSION, and this has been a problem with Valve games on the 360 like L4D and TF2, in that they can't give away every map and update and expansion they want for free, because Microsoft is going "Feed me seimore!" all the time. So that will make a HUGE gap between PC and console players. So when CCP is deciding on which to put Dust 514 on, they need to be careful not to mix PC and console, because there is still a big barrier that is created by big megacorps like Sony and Microsoft and keeps it from being connected. And for the love of God and all that is Holy (and I'm not even religious), don't make us PC players have to install Games for Windows Live to be able to play Dust 514 if it comes on the PC. ---- My Music Anything I say is only what I think. If you have a problem with me, take it up with me.
Natasha Volkova	Posted - 2009.10.19 21:28:00 - [47] Edited by: Natasha Volkova on 19/10/2009 21:36:14 why should pc gamers get dedicated servers? is there something I don't know about? Is it because you want to modify the game? PC games are cheaper than console games anyway, and yet you seem to want MORE for your money leaves post scratching head walk back after reading the whole thread Ok I get some of your issues, but some are rather moot points, PCs made FPS what they are today?! right so should we still be playing that bar and dot ping pong game because thats where gaming started? My point still stands about PC games generally being cheaper, and you expect more for your money?! Host having advantage on consoles due to better connection / less lag, rubbish I can understand the complaints and I am not too unreasonable, I mean you dont like the change so your not going to buy it, fair enough, but please please for the love of god stop stereotyping console gamers!!!
Bestofworst Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.19 21:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Natasha Volkova why should pc gamers get dedicated servers? is there something I don't know about? Is it because you want to modify the game? PC games are cheaper than console games anyway, and yet you seem to want MORE for your money leaves post scratching head Because some of us already pay over the top for decent hardware and programs used to make these mods (Except a few special occasions where the developers are awesome and give it out for free). Why do you think just because the console community can't do it that the PC community should be punished? You didn't pay $1500 on your 360. ---- My Music Anything I say is only what I think. If you have a problem with me, take it up with me.
Glamaz Cruciatia	Posted - 2009.10.19 21:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Bestofworst Originally by: Natasha Volkova why should pc gamers get dedicated servers? is there something I don't know about? Is it because you want to modify the game? PC games are cheaper than console games anyway, and yet you seem to want MORE for your money leaves post scratching head Because some of us already pay over the top for decent hardware and programs used to make these mods (Except a few special occasions where the developers are awesome and give it out for free). Why do you think just because the console community can't do it that the PC community should be punished? You didn't pay $1500 on your 360. True I didnt pay that, but I pay for xbox live, and a PC is alot more than just a gaming system, and can do alot more than a xbox can (although even that gap is getting smaller it would seem) Its not just because the console community can't I think PC gamers can't, I just think that PC gamers got something extra, and are now moaning because it got taken away, and bashing any console player who dares to post.. The Stereotyping has to stop aswell, makes both sides look silly tbh
voogru Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2009.10.19 21:52:00 - [50] TBH: Don't like it? DO NOT BUY THE GAME. This really is an epic fail. 1. They operate the servers. 2. It is unlikely they have the manpower to moderate and keep their servers under control. 3. Players will act like morons because generally they won't get banned from the server. 4. There will be no server communities. 5. The quality of the servers will be lower. 6. When they no longer want to manage their servers, the game dies, and nobody can play online (which could be intentional). 7. No mods, blahblahblah. But yeah, don't buy the game and stick it to them where it hurts. If everyone who signs a boycott petition doesnt buy the game, so far theres what? 30k signatures? 30,000 * $49.99 = $1,499,700 lost revenue. Hate Farmers? Click Here

Xen Gin Silurian Operations	Posted - 2009.10.19 21:56:00 - [51] Originally by: Natasha Volkova Edited by: Natasha Volkova on 19/10/2009 21:36:14 why should pc gamers get dedicated servers? is there something I don't know about? Is it because you want to modify the game? PC games are cheaper than console games anyway, and yet you seem to want MORE for your money Because we want out 50 player servers. Seriously, we don't want to be limited to seriously ****** game limits, just because a console player is ok with 5v5 and a bit of lag. ## You got that? Right I'll be back in approximately 300 seconds to retort! ##
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.10.19 22:07:00 - [52] Originally by: voogru TBH: Don't like it? DO NOT BUY THE GAME. This really is an epic fail. 1. They operate the servers. 2. It is unlikely they have the manpower to moderate and keep their servers under control. 3. Players will act like morons because generally they won't get banned from the server. 4. There will be no server communities. 5. The quality of the servers will be lower. 6. When they no longer want to manage their servers, the game dies, and nobody can play online (which could be intentional). 7. No mods, blahblahblah. But yeah, don't buy the game and stick it to them where it hurts. If everyone who signs a boycott petition doesnt buy the game, so far theres what? 30k signatures? 30,000 * $49.99 = $1,499,700 lost revenue. It's closer to 80k at the moment. Many people will propably not buy it, but it is worth to try and change their minds about it. The worst thing you can do is to stay silent and let them ruin a game you are looking forward to or be bullied to drop the issue, because of asshats who have no idea what difference dedicated servers can make. It might not work, but you're not losing anything by trying and you'll let other developers know how much it matters.
Bestofworst Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.19 22:07:00 - [53] Originally by: Glamaz Cruciatia Originally by: Bestofworst Originally by: Natasha Volkova why should pc gamers get dedicated servers? is there something I don't know about? Is it because you want to modify the game? PC games are cheaper than console games anyway, and yet you seem to want MORE for your money leaves post scratching head Because some of us already pay over the top for decent hardware and programs used to make these mods (Except a few special occasions where the developers are awesome and give it out for free). Why do you think just because the console community can't do it that the PC community should be punished? You didn't pay $1500 on your 360. True I didnt pay that, but I pay for xbox live, and a PC is alot more than just a gaming system, and can do alot more than a xbox can (although even that gap is getting smaller it would seem) Its not just because the console community can't I think PC gamers can't, I just think that PC gamers got something extra, and are now moaning because it got taken away, and bashing any console player who dares to post.. The Stereotyping has to stop aswell, makes both sides look silly tbh Well I never bash console gamers, because both have legitimate uses, don't be so ignorant to base your argument just because people hate consoles. ---- My Music Anything I say is only what I think. If you have a problem with me, take it up with me.
Machanara Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.10.20 03:20:00 - [54] Originally by: Natasha Volkova Edited by: Natasha Volkova on 19/10/2009 21:36:14 why should pc gamers get dedicated servers? is there something I don't know about? Is it because you want to modify the game? PC games are cheaper than console games anyway, and yet you seem to want MORE for your money leaves post scratching head walk back after reading the whole thread Ok I get some of your issues, but some are rather moot points, PCs made FPS what they are today?! right so should we still be playing that bar and dot ping pong game because thats where gaming started? My point still stands about PC games generally being cheaper, and you expect more for your money?! Host having advantage on consoles due to better connection / less lag, rubbish I can understand the complaints and I am not too unreasonable, I mean you dont like the change so your not going to buy it, fair enough, but please please for the love of god stop stereotyping console gamers!!! If you had n=bothered reading some post above you, your question would have been answered before you hit the reply button. Here, let me enlighten you with a quote from above.... Quote: What is amusing to me are console player's attitudes and reactions to this change. Typically they keep saying 'it's better on a console' when they've never tried it on a PC. Additionally, they don't seem to see the value in playing on a server where one person doesn't have a massive advantage over all the rest with network lag (because there is no 'host' player), or the value in having a game where it's more than eight players (4v4 at most). To the console players who don't get it: PC players have been the backbone of this franchise since it's inception, without PC players, there would be no COD of any sort. Dedicated servers are required for any decent level of PC performance. No dedicated servers, no PC gamers. Dedicated servers allow PC players to have consistent addresses where they can go to find their friends on popular servers, regardless if the host is there or not. Dedicated servers allow the development of custom mods and maps that keep the PC community playing the game long after it's original shelf life. I still know people who play BF2 and COD4 because of this. FPS games are better on PC because of the level of precision and control you have with a mouse and keyboard. Those of you (children) who were brought up on consoles wouldn't know this (lol).<-- bolded to imprint this fact! MW2 is just another huge disappointment in a long list of disappointments. Halo series, OFPDR (which might get a dedicated server now) and now MW2. What a waste. I logged into COD4 today to revisit it and when I started playing I realized just how long in the tooth it had become. It looks really old and dated. I've finally arrived at the point where looks matter to me in a game as well as gameplay. COD4 is tired, but it's replacement is worthless. I hope BF3 has a dedicated server... if it does, it will wipe the floor with MW2 for total overall sales figures, no question. Oh, and 31k+ signatures at $50-$60 a pop? That's over $1.68 million dollars. That's not pocket change. Sys Root Posted - 2009.10.18 22:03:00 - [33] - Quote
Ella C'Tronix	Posted - 2009.10.20 04:14:00 - [55] Originally by: JitaBum Originally by: Deathhawk these games are better on consoles anyway :) are you on drugs he's right. i'll sit on a couch with a drink in front of a kick ass home theatre system to play an FPS and enjoy it infinitely more than a situation where it looks like i might as well be checking my office emails and constructing financial spreadsheets.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.20 10:07:00 - [56] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Deathhawk only game i play on my laptop is eve.. games like cod are a million times better on console You people will be the death of PC gaming. Dude,PC gaming died a long time ago.The fact is your all in denial about it. Anywho ill just go back to Uncharted 2 or maybe Brutal Legend.
FISHANDCHIPS	Posted - 2009.10.20 10:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Originally by: FISHANDCHIPS Originally by: Pyrhus Taavi Outside of MMOs and ******ed fps mods, PC gaming is dead. In fact, it's been dead for a long time. Get over your snobbery and deal with it. Do us a favor please SHUT IT thanks Why? I'm not the one whining, inventing stereotypes, and signing (lol) internet petitions. The amount of asshattery displayed by PC gamers is astounding. Yes i am going to whine about it i like many other people have been waiting for this game to come out since the relece of CoD4 and now to have the game messed around like this 3 weeks from release is just unacceptable from the sound if it your a console player so ill ask you lets say youve been waiting for a game for the best part of two years but then 3 weeks before it dose come ouyt they come and tell you instead of using your precious gamepad you have to use a keyboard and mouse what would you do hmm and if your not a console gamer what would you do if ccp made eve pretty much exactly like wow (its not there yet by a longish shot) what would you do im betting you would be on these fourms whining to ccp about it posting in "petition" threads to have it reversed
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.20 10:53:00 - [58] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: wallenbergaren BF Bad Company 2 will be coming out before BF3 (and 1943 before that?), but ya, it will have dedicated servers Source: http://twitter.com/L_Twin/status/4964309159 BC2 looks REALLY good. If it has dedicated server support (nothing indicates it won't) it'll wipe the floor with MW2 in sales. You are a seriously deluded person if you think Bad Company2 will outsell MW2. But i'll just sit here snickering at the all the people who still think PC gaming is relevant.
Blu Root	Posted - 2009.10.20 11:17:00 - [59] Originally by: Motaka Dude,PC gaming died a long time ago.The fact is your all in denial about it. Sadly, you're right, console games are outselling PC games by a huge margin. I attribute this to that fact that most console gamers are too young and stupid to figure out how to hack their console. PC gamers on the other hand, have been hacking and cracking games for years, and the sales figures reflect this.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.20 13:21:00 - [60] Originally by: Blu Root Originally by: Motaka Dude,PC gaming died a long time ago.The fact is your all in denial about it. Sadly, you're right, console games are outselling PC games by a huge margin. I attribute this to that fact that most console gamers are too young and stupid to figure out how to hack their console. PC gamers on the other hand, have been hacking and cracking games for years, and the sales figures reflect this. Yes because hacking PS3 is just as easy as copying and pasting a file in a game directory.And yet again we have the classic 'all console players are stupid comment',when in fact its you the PC gamer that's stupid,what? haven't you realized that your uber hacking and cracking,has killed your platform and is the reason why you are treated like second class citizens. And as for comment about console gamers being young,Ive been gaming since before you was a fetus.

Blu Root	Posted - 2009.10.20 13:54:00 - [61] Originally by: Motaka And yet again we have the classic 'all console players are stupid comment',when in fact its you the PC gamer that's stupid,what? haven't you realized that your uber hacking and cracking,has killed your platform and is the reason why you are treated like second class citizens. Hacking a game requires much more intellect and know-how than copy/pasting a file aka cracking a game. You fail to understand this concept same as you fail to grasp basic grammar and punctuation, a fact which casts heavy doubt on your latest proclamation... Originally by: Motaka And as for comment about console gamers being young,Ive been gaming since before you was a fetus. You have no idea how old I am, you assume much young padawan.
Motaka Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.20 14:30:00 - [62] Originally by: Blu Root Originally by: Motaka And yet again we have the classic 'all console players are stupid comment',when in fact its you the PC gamer that's stupid,what? haven't you realized that your uber hacking and cracking,has killed your platform and is the reason why you are treated like second class citizens. Hacking a game requires much more intellect and know-how than copy/pasting a file aka cracking a game. You fail to understand this concept same as you fail to grasp basic grammar and punctuation, a fact which casts heavy doubt on your latest proclamation... Originally by: Motaka And as for comment about console gamers being young,Ive been gaming since before you was a fetus. You have no idea how old I am, you assume much young padawan. Oooooh i see i got you beat,bring up the grammar card is always a sign of someone grasping for straws,so please tell me how many hacks and cracks you have written,would be nice to see you back up your claim. I'm betting none,i got a feeling your just a guy with a superiority complex who's still lives in his parents basement.
Teetxe	Posted - 2009.10.20 16:02:00 - [63] Damnit i hate fanboys ... Seriously though. Twitch shooters = pc!! Slower shooters (bioshock,halo) = Console. Pc gaming is not dead, its just not as profitable because as usual the largest market is the one that attracts the "simplest" people. Ie consoles and people who could never honestly compete on a pc. While i do love certain console games, they are dumbed down. No Sh!t .. Ever since atari to now, console games have gotten easier and easier because people are weak f@ggots who cant handle a challenge. Thats the modern day console market now. Full of the tools who use to call us true longtime gamers geeks and losers, now that gaming isnt so nerdy all the stupid apes wanna be able to play with their friends. Honestly, you console people with you "i'd rather play in a cushy chair wah wah wah" .. Thanks for ruining gaming. I cant even get a challenge out of console games on the hardest difficulty anymore. Oh, and in terms of POTENTIAL .. PC will always win out.
Blu Root	Posted - 2009.10.20 16:09:00 - [64] Originally by: Motaka so please tell me how many hacks and cracks you have written,would be nice to see you back up your claim. Where did i make such a claim? Again with the assumptions...now adding reading comprehension to your growing list of failures. Originally by: Motaka i got a feeling your just a guy with a superiority complex who's still lives in his parents basement. I definatley feel superior to you, so I guess you may have a point, though both my parents are actually dead, but that's unrelated. Anyway, that's enough forum pvp for me for one day. Don't get me wrong, poking you and watching you squirm and make crap up is quite hillarious, but I've got to go sort out my sock drawer now.
Deathhawk Hammersmith Hardmen Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:02:00 - [65] i like how everyone is saying console games are laggy cant have more than 5 people in a game for it to run smoothly.... i didnt know what lag was till i started playing games on the pc... i never get lag on console... Chuck Norris wears Deathhawk pyjamas One image per sig please. Zymurgist Forum **** at its best. DH
Teetxe	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:19:00 - [66] Edited by: Teetxe on 20/10/2009 19:19:32 Thats because console engines hide it very well, Even Modern warfare on the Pc hides it amazingly well. But its there, and it makes a big difference. Notice that most console games wont show you your latency/ping either. At most, they will show a green,orange or red bar in relation to either you, or the host server. Thats because they dont want you too be able to see it. How can you tell you have bad ping if you cant read it, or see it? well, this is the easiest way .. If you find that you SWEAR you've been hitting targets but those Farkers just wont die .. well, good chance your lagging. This is a smaller issue for US/EU peoples. But in the oceanic region its an industry killer.
brutoid Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:29:00 - [67] Originally by: Natasha Volkova Edited by: Natasha Volkova on 19/10/2009 21:36:14 why should pc gamers get dedicated servers? is there something I don't know about? Evidently there is. This move by IW stifles the modding comunity which if you know their history brought you games such as the original Counter Strike. Yes thats right, it was a mod. This mod then became one of the most played fps' of all time and subsequently copied to death by all these so called 'proffesional studios'. IW wants everyone now to pay for their extra content and this is one way of trying to lock it down. What i find funny is those consolites who clearly have no clue. Why aren't you guys calling for dedicated servers? Are you really ok with paying through the nose for xbox live and their matchmaking services etc? I bet there are consolites who would like to make their own custom maps and practise on a server with their own clans. On pc this is possible, on the console it's not. Are you really happy about this? Consolites pay more for the same games as the pc crowd and at the same time happily take any restrictions placed on them with a smile and some extra payment. Dumbasses.
Scrym Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:03:00 - [68] Meh, I like both console and PC games because I have fun on both.
jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:22:00 - [69] walks in and shouts "I still dont own a console " walks out destroy everything you touch


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