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JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.10.19 11:58:00 - [1] Watching pve roundtable Quote: All the sleeper sites that we build for apocrypha for instanced are based on simple templates for the site , but then there is a variable to what exactly spawns there when you flying , so its a little bit diffrent every time you go in. In fact i know that all the sites in c3 wormhole are identical , all this quote is BS. The only variable is first spawn in solar cell with additional battleship or without it. good job ccp, i know you did your best , i never know whats coming.
RedSplat Noir.	Posted - 2009.10.19 12:10:00 - [2] Not lying. Marketing. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.10.19 12:13:00 - [3] hmmm maybe its just incompetence
Jekyl Eraser	Posted - 2009.10.19 12:18:00 - [4] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 hmmm maybe its just incompetence and it shows in all pve content
The Riddik	Posted - 2009.10.19 12:42:00 - [5] ahh the whinings of carebears, how sweet.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.19 12:51:00 - [6] …and now quote what was said right before and right after that bit. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.19 12:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Tippia àand now quote what was said right before and right after that bit. This. /me slaps OP for selective quoting. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2009.10.19 13:07:00 - [8] I saw this too and kinda thought... The only variation I have seen is the solar cell mentioned in the op, and Ruins of Enclave Cohort, where the first spawn may have a Sleepless Patroller and the last spawn may have a Sleepless Escort. I have experienced every varation, from both, to neither, to one of each. Yeah...great variation CCP. _____________________________________________ -Sketch, Certified Pharmacist Need a Boost?
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.10.19 13:09:00 - [9] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 In fact i know that all the sites in c3 wormhole are identical , all this quote is BS. How about trying real sites then, and not the n00b ones? With so few spawns and waves it's not really that hard to see why there's so little variation.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.10.19 13:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Tippia àand now quote what was said right before and right after that bit. Why dont you do it. Oh wait theres nothing there that can excuse that kind of statement.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.19 13:28:00 - [11] Edited by: Tippia on 19/10/2009 13:29:05 Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Why dont you do it. Oh wait theres nothing there that can excuse that kind of statement. Yes because context and relationship to the question being asked is completely irrelevant. Also, what kind of statement? A statement of fact, which you then go on to demonstrate is true? How horrid of them! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Khorian Gallente The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.19 13:33:00 - [12] I am confused. First you say they lied, and then you explain the only variable that you know of? Bzzzt
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.10.19 13:37:00 - [13] Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 19/10/2009 13:39:36 Originally by: Khorian I am confused. First you say they lied, and then you explain the only variable that you know of? Bzzzt Which part of the sentance " ALL of the sites" or " its slighlty diffrent every time you fly " you do not comprehend ?
Steve Celeste Caldari Overdogs	Posted - 2009.10.19 13:46:00 - [14] OP may have a point. Some very explosive information about CCP has recently come into my possession: This post has been cleared of inappropriate content. Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.19 13:49:00 - [15] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Which part of the sentance " ALL of the sites" or " its slighlty diffrent every time you fly " you do not comprehend ? Again with the selective quoting. You didn't really provide a proper counter argument there… But it's a good question to you: what is it you don't understand about the templating? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Noun Verber	Posted - 2009.10.19 13:58:00 - [16] is steve a Brainstem alt?
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:38:00 - [17] Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 19/10/2009 14:39:50 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Which part of the sentance " ALL of the sites" or " its slighlty diffrent every time you fly " you do not comprehend ? Again with the selective quoting. You didn't really provide a proper counter argument thereà But it's a good question to you: what is it you don't understand about the templating? Did you actually watched the video/was there or you trying to get lucky that i missed/hide some very importent part. If you do , then please quote this , i dont need to put counter argument to my argument Fact is CCP states the spawn varies , i say they do not. And i dont not count one random BS on one site as a variety
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:18:00 - [18] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Did you actually watched the video/was there I was there. As such, I know what they were talking about and the context and the comments from the audience, and the things that makes your "lie" silly. Quote: Fact is CCP states the spawn varies , i say they do not. And i dont not count one random BS on one site as a variety So you state that spawns vary, except that you state that they do. Right. Come back when you have something to complain about. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:30:00 - [19] Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 19/10/2009 15:34:28 Originally by: Tippia Did you actually watched the video/was there I was there. As such, I know what they were talking about and the context and the comments from the audience, and the things that makes your "lie" silly. Quotes or it never happend. Originally by: Tippia Fact is CCP states the spawn varies , i say they do not. And i dont not count one random BS on one site as a variety So you state that spawns vary, except that you state that they do. Right. Come back when you have something to complain about. look how dump you are If one site with random BS is everything that CCP is capable of ... * facepalm * No offence CCP i love wormholes.
BiggestT Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:36:00 - [20] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 look how dump you are Says the alt who cannot spell dumb EVE Trivia EVE History
LeeIaa	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:38:00 - [21] Edited by: LeeIaa on 19/10/2009 15:38:40 Infact, each site does have a different spawn, the sites are all named different things, unless they are...the same site? I am not sure I am seeing the issue here. And I do believe you aren't understanding that there are different sites, with different spawns in them. In every wormhole I have done, there have been at least 5-6 diff site names among the 50+ sites in the hole, not to include the radar/mag sites which sometimes are different waves, and sometimes the same. Either way, too much isk to be had in them thar holes. Each different name has a different spawn. Yeah the same site over and over and over and over will hae the same spawn over and over and over. What do you want them to do? Make you think you are doing a solar cell, and in spawns the sleepers from a c6 site?
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:46:00 - [22] Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 19/10/2009 15:46:34 Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 look how dump you are Says the alt who cannot spell dumb The fact that i still havent mastered english , that is not my native language and still making mistakes doesnt change the fact i was right Thanks for correction though. I am still learning.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:50:00 - [23] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Originally by: Tippia Fact is CCP states the spawn varies , i say they do not. And i dont not count one random BS on one site as a variety So you state that spawns vary, except that you state that they do. Right. Come back when you have something to complain about. look how dump you are If one site with random BS is everything that CCP is capable of ... * facepalm * No offence CCP i love wormholes. Learn to spell better than a nursery child before you insult other peoples intelligence. Also what the hell do you want? A freaking fanfare every time you warp in welcoming you for being daring enough to [sarcasm]risk yourself in a Class 3 Wormhole![/sarcasm] Quite honestly you would have had a slightly better response to your little "Call-Out" (if you could call it that) if you had quoted the question CCP were responding to as well as the mini-quote you supplied. But hey if you had done that from the start the whole thread would have been pointless and we wouldn't have gotten to laugh at you. 2/10, see me after class. -Blane _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Originally by: Tippia Fact is CCP states the spawn varies , i say they do not. And i dont not count one random BS on one site as a variety So you state that spawns vary, except that you state that they do. Right. Come back when you have something to complain about. look how dump you are If one site with random BS is everything that CCP is capable of ... * facepalm * No offence CCP i love wormholes. Learn to spell better than a nursery child before you insult other peoples intelligence. Also what the hell do you want? A freaking fanfare every time you warp in welcoming you for being daring enough to [sarcasm]risk yourself in a Class 3 Wormhole![/sarcasm] Quite honestly you would have had a slightly better response to your little "Call-Out" (if you could call it that) if you had quoted the question CCP were responding to as well as the mini-quote you supplied. But hey if you had done that from the start the whole thread would have been pointless and we wouldn't have gotten to laugh at you. 2/10, see me after class. -Blane I want an explanation why ccp stated something thats not true.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.19 16:05:00 - [25] Edited by: Tippia on 19/10/2009 16:06:22 Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Quotes or it never happend. You saw the presentation… it's all there. Or are you just pulling stuff out of thin air without context…? Quote: If one site with random BS is everything that CCP is capable of ... * facepalm * Who says they are? Have you actually investigated the matter? Your whole argument seems to be that, out of a sample size of one and ignoring the variety we see there, there is no variety… well, duh! Somehow, this makes CCPs statement that they can vary spawns based on what you bring to the site a lie. So… how are you varying your observations? What sites are you visiting? What's in them? What are you visiting them with? Since you obviously haven't listened to the presentation, this is what they're talking about: that the output of the templating mechanics depends on the input. You have seen this yourself, which makes your claim that nothing ever changes false from the get-go. You have already proven that what they say is true. Using that as a basis for an argument that what they say somehow isn't true means only one thing: that what you say isn't true. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tuscanspeed Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.10.19 16:34:00 - [26] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 I want an explanation why ccp stated something thats not true. They'll state anything they need to in order to make a buck. Why is that difficult? ---------------------------------------------- Never have been. Never will be. An Alt.
Jeremiah Tameri	Posted - 2009.10.19 16:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Tuscanspeed Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 I want an explanation why ccp stated something thats not true. They'll state anything they need to in order to make a buck. Why is that difficult? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.19 16:54:00 - [28] Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 19/10/2009 16:55:59 Originally by: Blane Xero Learn to spell better than a nursery child before you insult other peoples intelligence. That's "people's" not "peoples" Mr. English Policeman. Nice petard you've got there. Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Quote: but then there is a variable to what exactly spawns there The only variable is They said "there is a variable". You say "there is a variable". Where exactly is the lie? (I mean their lie, of course.)
KaarBaak Minmatar Squirrel Team	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:39:00 - [29] Q (CSM Bunyip): Are we going to see any dynamic content in missions? I mean, we already have the story arcs, but I mean are we going to see missions with variable amounts or types of enemies? Or anything of that nature in the near future? A (CCP Hammerhead): Well, the enemies already do vary to some extent. There's the clusters of NPCs you see in the missions are...like...slightly random. But, I mean maybe they're not extremely random enough to the point where you're noticing it. A (CCP "Scott"): But we have started doing more of that. All the Sleeper sites that we built for Apocrypha for instance are based on simple templates for the site, but then there's a variable for what exactly spawns there when you fly in. So it's a little bit different every time you go in. And that's definitely something we want to do more of. There's a lot of old content in the game right now that we really want to get around to fixing and sort of bringing up to that level as well. It's really just a matter of how soon we can get to it. But definitely something we're working on doing. KB Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2009.10.19 18:35:00 - [30] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Quote: but then there is a variable to what exactly spawns there The only variable is They said "there is a variable". You say "there is a variable". Where exactly is the lie? (I mean their lie, of course.) One random BS in one particular site ( solar cell ) from all sites in c3 is hardly what they said. If they were reffering to this anomaly then * facepalm *

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