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Lord Bentley The Syndicates	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:29:00 - [1] Greetings So i decided to buy this awesom char as alt to get better feel for pvp. Before this i have only downed one cruiser in frig. While i have the ability to fly other ships, i decided i want to try and start small, and when i get feel for this i go for command ships or HAC's. I have maxed skills to fly interceptor (exept thermodynamics that is only level 1, i wonder why???) and i tought i would start killing with this interceptor first to get a feel for pvp. So: 1. What interceptor should i choose from amarr side for solo action? 2. How should i fit it? 3. What is good orbiting distance? 4. What ships can i drop and what are too difficult? 5. Any tactics, i should be aware of? 6. Any other tips? I have read the pvp guides, so i know little about the basics. Thank you Respectfully, Lord Bentley The Syndicates
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:32:00 - [2] --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Persephone Asphodel	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:32:00 - [3] I hear a taranis loaded with troll snacks is the bestest
Lord Bentley The Syndicates	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Grimpak Respectfully, Lord Bentley The Syndicates
Msgerbs Gallente Imperial Assualt Guild Raikiri Assasins	Posted - 2009.10.19 14:42:00 - [5] 1) Inty =/= solo pvp 2) Web/scram/mwd/something else 3) Just under max range of your disruptor for inty, the optimal of your guns for anything else 4) Only T1 frigs in an inty 5) Orbit, F1-8 6) Don't use an inty, change your sig and corp so you don't look like you're trying to escape your reputation. ------ C&P wannabe
Lord Bentley The Syndicates	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:01:00 - [6] Originally by: Msgerbs 1) Inty =/= solo pvp 2) Web/scram/mwd/something else 3) Just under max range of your disruptor for inty, the optimal of your guns for anything else 4) Only T1 frigs in an inty 5) Orbit, F1-8 6) Don't use an inty, change your sig and corp so you don't look like you're trying to escape your reputation. Is assault ship better for the job? Respectfully, Lord Bentley The Syndicates
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Lord Bentley Edited by: Lord Bentley on 19/10/2009 14:41:04 Originally by: Grimpak I know, i know... you have worked hard for your skill points and you haz the right to be sad that someone can come and have good skills without the wait. actually, it's not about that. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Fearr Dorchaa	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:34:00 - [8] Regardless of how much isk you have you should start off with a frigate, get into a punisher or rifter and go with a standard vanilla fitting, T2 it and you will be starting off correctly. The problem with how you are trying to go about it is that in truth a ships fitting and a characters skills are only ever at most half the battle - experience counts far more. The other night while on a very drunken low sec roam in my Puni i went for a Jag, i was bored and figured i might catch him out if he was poorly fitted, i didn't pay attention to my ammo so was blasting Emp at him (his highest resist) and i didn't check local to see who was around so 25 FW uber*****hawks jumped in on top of me. These are mistakes i should have avoided but you will not yet have the experience yet to even know you can and should avoid them - you need that. Also, an Inty is a terrible starting pvp ship for a pilot new to pvp regardless of his chars ability, a good player can solo pvp in one yeah but not a noob, requires too much understanding of range, kiting, other ships capabilities, its not the kind of ship you just click "orbit at 20km in" and blast away. When i fly one its for a definite role of scout/gang tackle. I point and hold someone till the dps arrives and if i have to i pop his drones while i wait. Thats it.
mothyowns teeny tiny space pirates	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Lord Bentley Greetings So i decided to buy this awesom char as alt to get better feel for pvp. Before this i have only downed one cruiser in frig. While i have the ability to fly other ships, i decided i want to try and start small, and when i get feel for this i go for command ships or HAC's. I have maxed skills to fly interceptor (exept thermodynamics that is only level 1, i wonder why???) and i tought i would start killing with this interceptor first to get a feel for pvp. So: 1. What interceptor should i choose from amarr side for solo action? 2. How should i fit it? 3. What is good orbiting distance? 4. What ships can i drop and what are too difficult? 5. Any tactics, i should be aware of? 6. Any other tips? I have read the pvp guides, so i know little about the basics. Thank you Ships and Modules Share your thoughts on EVEÆs ships, modules and your favorite fittings. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/
Roastedpot Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.10.19 16:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Lord Bentley Edited by: Lord Bentley on 19/10/2009 14:41:04 Originally by: Grimpak I know, i know... you have worked hard for your skill points and you haz the right to be sad that someone can come and have good skills without the wait. actually, it's not about that. ya he means, your going to fail horribly, and that purchasing a pvp alt <> you can pvp, and dont fly an inty solo unless you plan on finding really squishy things in lowsec or it is a taranis. and why are you still posting in c&p, didnt someone kill you awhile ago?

Lord Bentley The Syndicates	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Roastedpot Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Lord Bentley Edited by: Lord Bentley on 19/10/2009 14:41:04 Originally by: Grimpak I know, i know... you have worked hard for your skill points and you haz the right to be sad that someone can come and have good skills without the wait. actually, it's not about that. why are you still posting in c&p, didnt someone kill you awhile ago? Surely did, i didnt know being killed prevents me from posting in this **hole. Respectfully, Lord Bentley** The Syndicates
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Lord Bentley someone can come and have good skills without the wait. No, someone can have high skill points without the wait. You still don't have the actual skills.
Grarr Wrexx	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:52:00 - [13] Stupid ass lossmails incoming.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.19 18:20:00 - [14] you want to skip ceptors they won't be able to kill anything, go right for faction battleships, with officer/deadpsace fits, 2k+ active tanks and 1k+ dps ftw!
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.10.19 18:44:00 - [15] protip: stop rushing the game I have seen you post a topic on at least 10 major "areas" of eve that you have "decided" to venture into stop rushing and enjoy the game
maCH'EttE Celestial Bacon	Posted - 2009.10.19 19:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Msgerbs 1) Inty =/= solo pvp 4) Only T1 frigs in an inty 6) Don't use an inty... I would like to disagree. I thing 'ceptors are one of the best ship classes to start peeveepeeing in. Originally by: ISD Devil Hanzo I got pwned! COME GIT SOME BAYCON!
Viceroy Jane Imperial Commonwealth HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.10.19 19:41:00 - [17] Originally by: maCH'EttE Originally by: Msgerbs 1) Inty =/= solo pvp 4) Only T1 frigs in an inty 6) Don't use an inty... I would like to disagree. I thing 'ceptors are one of the best ship classes to start peeveepeeing in. No, Velators are.
Suitonia Gallente HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.10.19 19:56:00 - [18] Interceptors are great for solo PvP. --- Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Rock urSocksoff The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Msgerbs 1) Inty =/= solo pvp 2) Web/scram/mwd/something else 3) Just under max range of your disruptor for inty, the optimal of your guns for anything else 4) Only T1 frigs in an inty 5) Orbit, F1-8 6) Don't use an inty, change your sig and corp so you don't look like you're trying to escape your reputation. You're an idiot.
Neyro7830 Gallente The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Grarr Wrexx Stupid ass lossmails incoming. seconded Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer

Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:24:00 - [21] would of said hac for solo pvp zealots are the **** and yes just because you purchased that character doesn't make you a good pvp'r otherwise you would be asking here , you run before you can walk. When training up your ships you get a feel for them and know there limits, best fits and when you see a ship you know in your mind if you can take it or not. because you have jumped all those stages and got to the part where you fly your ship you gone to fast for your personal learning of the hulls and what they are capable of and so this is somethign i believe you should figure out for yourself so that you know in your own mind what work and what doesn't. that alone will make you a good PVP'r and lots of kills of course once you found the limit of your ship
Doomed Predator Red Federation	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:35:00 - [22] Originally by: maCH'EttE Originally by: Msgerbs 1) Inty =/= solo pvp 4) Only T1 frigs in an inty 6) Don't use an inty... I would like to disagree. I thing 'ceptors are one of the best ship classes to start peeveepeeing in. You do know that if an inty beats a lolfit ship/raven without large energy neutralizers it doesn't make it a awesome pvp ship right? Skill in picking your targets and other pvp skills that come with practice do. The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
Emily Envy	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:42:00 - [23] Edited by: Emily Envy on 19/10/2009 20:42:29 Originally by: Lord Bentley Greetings So i decided to buy this awesom char as alt to get better feel for pvp. Before this i have only downed one cruiser in frig. While i have the ability to fly other ships, i decided i want to try and start small, and when i get feel for this i go for command ships or HAC's. I have maxed skills to fly interceptor (exept thermodynamics that is only level 1, i wonder why???) and i tought i would start killing with this interceptor first to get a feel for pvp. So: 1. What interceptor should i choose from amarr side for solo action? 2. How should i fit it? 3. What is good orbiting distance? 4. What ships can i drop and what are too difficult? 5. Any tactics, i should be aware of? 6. Any other tips? I have read the pvp guides, so i know little about the basics. Thank you That's an incredibly stupid approach to learn pvp. Seriously, if you really want to start pvping in T2 ships, i advise you to at least do one of these first before you head into pvp solo: - Take pvp lessons here or here. - Join either Red vs Blue or a Militia of your choice. Then stick with the fleets for a start. /edit If you decide to follow this advice, stay the hell away from my Minmatar militia. Thank you.
Aralieus Amarr Traumark Logistics	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:42:00 - [24] Bently, you keep going in this direction your going to burn yourself out. Eve isnt a instant gratification game. You will not be able to get the well deserved feeling of training up for something and actually doing the leg work on your own and finding out what ship does what. <---this what eve is all about, the journey not the end result! For instance, I just finished training for a Recon ship +3 months for the ship and support skills, now during the duration of the 3 months I have done extensive homework on what the ship is capable of and how this is going to affect my playstyle. There are so many varibles that you cannot even fathom bcuz you just want to jump right in. Welp, GL to you sir and can I haz your stuff when you decide to throw in the towel. Fortune Favors the Bold!!
maCH'EttE Celestial Bacon	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Doomed Predator Originally by: maCH'EttE ...one of the best ship classes to start peeveepeeing in. You do know that if an inty beats a lolfit ship/raven without large energy neutralizers it doesn't make it a awesome pvp ship right? You do know that at no point did I claim a 'ceptor was an awesome PVP ship, right? I was disagreeing with the very statements, which you quoted me quoting. In fact, I specifically said (and I've quoted myself again, to make it clearer) that a 'ceptor is a good ship to start with. They can solo, and they can take on considerabley more than 'only T1 Frigs' were the points I made. Originally by: ISD Devil Hanzo I got pwned! COME GIT SOME BAYCON!
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2009.10.19 21:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Aralieus Bently, you keep going in this direction your going to burn yourself out. Eve isnt a instant gratification game. You will not be able to get the well deserved feeling of training up for something and actually doing the leg work on your own and finding out what ship does what. <---this what eve is all about, the journey not the end result! For instance, I just finished training for a Recon ship +3 months for the ship and support skills, now during the duration of the 3 months I have done extensive homework on what the ship is capable of and how this is going to affect my playstyle. There are so many varibles that you cannot even fathom bcuz you just want to jump right in. Welp, GL to you sir and can I haz your stuff when you decide to throw in the towel. We really should just stop trying to convince him so we can have a hilarious emoragequit when he finally gets it through his head that More Sp does not = EVE Deity Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe
PostmasterGeneral Minmatar yo i'm posting	Posted - 2009.10.19 22:15:00 - [27] you are p bad at this deep down, you have to be aware of this incontrovertible fact
Jessica Lanson	Posted - 2009.10.19 22:50:00 - [28] Edited by: Jessica Lanson on 19/10/2009 22:54:15 Originally by: Lord Bentley Greetings So i decided to buy this awesom char as alt to get better feel for pvp. Before this i have only downed one cruiser in frig. While i have the ability to fly other ships, i decided i want to try and start small, and when i get feel for this i go for command ships or HAC's. I have maxed skills to fly interceptor (exept thermodynamics that is only level 1, i wonder why???) and i tought i would start killing with this interceptor first to get a feel for pvp. So: 1. What interceptor should i choose from amarr side for solo action? 2. How should i fit it? 3. What is good orbiting distance? 4. What ships can i drop and what are too difficult? 5. Any tactics, i should be aware of? 6. Any other tips? I have read the pvp guides, so i know little about the basics. Thank you Skill points and ISK won't matter. You will lose a lot of ships learning so don't use interceptor. Buy, insure and fit Punisher for 500,000 ISK. Twenty (20) Punnies will cost you 10 million, or about 1/3rd of a fitted Interceptor. There are many viable fits for Punisher. Use pulse lasers or autocannons. Roam low sec looking for a fight / learning how to run away from gangs. You can't hunt anyone if you can't first run away from someone who can beat you. You don't always orbit as it screws up your own tracking, and if you do orbit, the range varies by opponent. For example vs cruiser with medium guns you orbit close to not get hit. Against cruiser with light assaults you keep moving at maximum speed to reduce missile damage. Against a frigate with low tank (Kestrel or Interceptor), you do not orbit. Minimise transversal and gank away (a good inty will force you into an orbit, which you need to try to break out of). TIP: Double click in space to fly the ship manually and don't touch the orbit button. Try to click in just the right place at just the right time, to screw him over. Example, if he is trying to keep you at long range, suddenly turn towards him and hit overload afterburner as he begins the "toward" portion of his orbit. After you lose Punisher, try to determine why. Do not make same mistake again. After 20 Punishers and 10M ISK you'll actually be OK at PVP, or realise that you need to join a corp to get training. EDIT: Forgot to mention target selection. You're just going to have to learn by experience or EFT up some fits and think about them. You can kill ratting Raven with a high DPS tech 1 frigate, if he has the wrong hardeners and you know how to kill drones (need to practise that, its all about straighting out their flight path long enough that you can hit them...) Do not forget to also check the pilot's stats. If he is -10 and very old and a 3-year member of a corp with a skull for a logo, avoid him.
Mickey Simon Blutkinder	Posted - 2009.10.20 02:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Armoured C would of said hac for solo pvp There's only a few HAC's that are good for solo, and they're f-ing expensive too. T1 cruisers are excellent because they're cheap, and people will fight you.
Sir Carnage	Posted - 2009.10.20 02:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Jessica Lanson Edited by: Jessica Lanson on 19/10/2009 23:17:52 Originally by: Lord Bentley Greetings So i decided to buy this awesom char as alt to get better feel for pvp. Before this i have only downed one cruiser in frig. While i have the ability to fly other ships, i decided i want to try and start small, and when i get feel for this i go for command ships or HAC's. I have maxed skills to fly interceptor (exept thermodynamics that is only level 1, i wonder why???) and i tought i would start killing with this interceptor first to get a feel for pvp. So: 1. What interceptor should i choose from amarr side for solo action? 2. How should i fit it? 3. What is good orbiting distance? 4. What ships can i drop and what are too difficult? 5. Any tactics, i should be aware of? 6. Any other tips? I have read the pvp guides, so i know little about the basics. Thank you Skill points and ISK won't matter. You will lose a lot of ships learning so don't use interceptor. Buy, insure and fit Punisher for 500,000 ISK. Twenty (20) Punnies will cost you 10 million, or about 1/3rd of a fitted Interceptor, and give you 20x more combat experience time. There are many viable fits for Punisher. Use pulse lasers or autocannons. The rest depends on what you are hunting. Roam low sec looking for a fight / learning how to fly without killing yourself (e.g. don't warp to zero in a belt). You can't hunt anyone if you're dead. You don't always orbit as it screws up your own tracking, and if you do orbit, the range varies by opponent. For example vs cruiser with medium guns you orbit close to not get hit. Against cruiser with light assaults you keep moving at maximum speed (larger orbit) to reduce missile damage. Against a frigate with low tank (Kestrel or Interceptor), you do not orbit. Minimise transversal and gank away. A good inty will force you into an orbit, which you need to try to break out of. TIP: Double click in space to manual pilot. Example, if he is trying to keep you at long range, suddenly turn towards him and hit overload and afterburner as he begins the "toward" portion of his orbit. After you lose Punisher (and you will), try to determine why. Do not make same mistake again. After 20 Punishers and 10M ISK you'll actually be better at PVP, or realise that you need to join a corp to get training. EDIT: Forgot to mention target selection. You're just going to have to learn by experience or EFT up some fits and think about them. You can kill ratting battlecruiser if he has the wrong hardeners and medium drones. As part of target selection, do not forget to also check the pilot's stats and corp. If he is -10 and very old and a long time member of a corp with a skull for a logo, avoid him. Finally, you can use tactical warping to win. Can't close range? Warp out to zero. He'll come after you; if he presses WTZ as well, you just won. Hopefully that's some constructive advice. Expect to lose 100 ships or more learning to fight. By which time you'd probably have skilled up a regular toon anwyay so I have no idea why you bought a character, but hey, it's not my ISK :-) This. Best advice here, by far. I'm still only a novice at pvp, but I went from losing almost every fight to where I now can regularly kill other players with significantly more time in game than myself. It's not the sp, it's the time spent learning that "nope, that doesn't work either." I swear, there are a ton of people with lol fit kills because I was learning and/or experimenting. A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

Xikorita Mob Thought	Posted - 2009.10.20 03:20:00 - [31] Originally by: Sir Carnage Skill points and ISK won't matter. You will lose a lot of ships learning so don't use interceptor. Buy, insure and fit Punisher for 500,000 ISK. Twenty (20) Punnies will cost you 10 million, or about 1/3rd of a fitted Interceptor, and give you 20x more combat experience time. There are many viable fits for Punisher. Use pulse lasers or autocannons. The rest depends on what you are hunting. Roam low sec looking for a fight / learning how to fly without killing yourself (e.g. don't warp to zero in a belt). You can't hunt anyone if you're dead. You don't always orbit as it screws up your own tracking, and if you do orbit, the range varies by opponent. For example vs cruiser with medium guns you orbit close to not get hit. Against cruiser with light assaults you keep moving at maximum speed (larger orbit) to reduce missile damage. Against a frigate with low tank (Kestrel or Interceptor), you do not orbit. Minimise transversal and gank away. A good inty will force you into an orbit, which you need to try to break out of. TIP: Double click in space to manual pilot. Example, if he is trying to keep you at long range, suddenly turn towards him and hit overload and afterburner as he begins the "toward" portion of his orbit. After you lose Punisher (and you will), try to determine why. Do not make same mistake again. After 20 Punishers and 10M ISK you'll actually be better at PVP, or realise that you need to join a corp to get training. EDIT: Forgot to mention target selection. You're just going to have to learn by experience or EFT up some fits and think about them. You can kill ratting battlecruiser if he has the wrong hardeners and medium drones. As part of target selection, do not forget to also check the pilot's stats and corp. If he is -10 and very old and a long time member of a corp with a skull for a logo, avoid him. Finally, you can use tactical warping to win. Can't close range? Warp out to zero. He'll come after you; if he presses WTZ as well, you just won. Hopefully that's some constructive advice. Expect to lose 100 ships or more learning to fight. By which time you'd probably have skilled up a regular toon anwyay so I have no idea why you bought a character, but hey, it's not my ISK :-) This. Best advice here, by far. I'm still only a novice at pvp, but I went from losing almost every fight to where I now can regularly kill other players with significantly more time in game than myself. It's not the sp, it's the time spent learning that "nope, that doesn't work either." I swear, there are a ton of people with lol fit kills because I was learning and/or experimenting. As Thomas Edison once said, "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Yep, it is the process that I am going through. The guys in alliance/corp was like "you are going to engage WHAT in your vexor?" I learned a LOT by trying things with my cheap ships and learned a lot in fittings etc by doing the method above by myself.

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Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Lord Bentley I know, i know... you have worked hard for your skill points and you haz the right to be sad that someone can come and have good skills without the wait. That's not it at all. From your OP, it is clear you have many points, but no skill at all. *-- He said "The President is near."*
Shinjo Bajahnhosuu Blood Money Bootcamp	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Jessica Lanson After 20 Punishers and 10M ISK you'll actually be better at PVP, or realise that you need to join a corp to get training. QFT. But feel free to bring your inty into lowsec.


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