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CraftyCroc
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2012.06.11 23:20:00 -
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Olleybear wrote:Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:
Just to futher debat cause im not smart. Why is ship loss not a moneysink. Scenario: Person buys ships for money and the ships blow up, money lost, or am I not seing the big picture?
The person you paid isk to for the ship still has the isk whether or not your ship explodes. Just because you no longer have the isk in your pocket after you bought the ship doesnt mean the isk isn't still in the Eve economy. That is the isk movement vs isk creation that another poster touched on.
Best bear |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
87
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Posted - 2012.06.11 23:28:00 -
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CraftyCroc wrote:
Best bear
o/ Crafty 
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
232
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Posted - 2012.06.11 23:46:00 -
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Headerman1 wrote:Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Oh and a more specifc question what does NPCs buy? On the market there isn't a lot, usually a system scanner, a POS module. There are also overseers personal effects i believe.
NPC's buy WormHole 'blue loot' which comes to around 9 trillion ISK per month
http://memegenerator.net/instance/21816812 |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
232
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Posted - 2012.06.11 23:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Standard copypasta: Sinks:- Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax
- NPC sell orders
- NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance
- NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties
- Wardecs
- Sovereignty fees
- PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned customs offices)
- Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads
- Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits
- CSPA Charges
- Smuggling fines
- GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement
- Character deletion
I guess the only thing I'd add here is account unsubscription, but that is a slippery slope because those accounts can later resubscribe.
http://memegenerator.net/instance/21816812 |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
551
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Posted - 2012.06.12 00:32:00 -
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Isk comes from Chribbas' belly silly.
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
128
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Posted - 2012.06.13 11:23:00 -
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Bossy Lady wrote:Anya Ohaya wrote:
Null sec ratting. Bots.
Not to mention: Hi-sec. Mission bots...
I'd expect the bounties to be more in line with the mission rewards if it was from level 4s.
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
225
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Posted - 2012.06.13 11:38:00 -
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I find the most erotic part of a woman is the boobies.
If I said you had a nice body would you take off your pants and dance around a little?
Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
9
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Posted - 2012.06.13 12:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Just to futher debat cause im not smart. Why is ship loss not a moneysink. Scenario: Person buys ships for money and the ships blow up, money lost, or am I not seing the big picture? You're not seeing the big picture. Where does the money go when you buy something? Well, who sold you the thing? For 99% of the stuff you get, it's another player. This means the other player has the money now (minus taxes). The money is still in the economy GÇö it just changed hands. Hell, if you just look at the small scale, it's even easier than that: what happens when you lose you ship? Nothing. You don't lose a cent. The money doesn't disappear from your wallet when you lose the ship GÇö it disappears when you buy it. So even if you were to somehow get the ship from an NPC (which is normally the first sign of something being an ISK sink), the actual destruction wouldn't be a sink because the money was lost long before that. Now, since you don't actually buy ships from NPCs, it's even less of a sink, because as mentioned above, the money just moves to another player. In fact, ship loss is usually an ISK faucet because ship destruction (unless caused by CONCORD) triggers an insurance payout. That payout is an NPC giving you money, thus creating ISK that didn't exist before. By design, insurance payouts are always larger than the premium you pay for them (including if you don't pay anything at all), so a triggered payout is always a net addition of ISK to the economy.
Hmm intresting point. I hope I use the following words right. But a ship is a fungible asset. And a commodity. All items have an isk value. People mine ore. That ore has a value and so money comes in. Ok not in isk format but in commodity format. Earler we talked about changing of isk. People change isk for ore. Ore is used to make ships. Ships get destroyed then that commodity is gone. |
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
9
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Posted - 2012.06.13 12:29:00 -
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Lol I'm not to sure if I argued my point or just convinced myself your right lol |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
671
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:03:00 -
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Two things you need to know.
#1 - Ships destroyed doesn't destroy ISK.
This leads to inflation in EVE. Because eventually a Rifter that was bought for 100,000 ISK will be bought for 250,000 ISK because there's simply more money in the system than there was goods in the system at the outset.
#2 - NPCs don't really buy much at all.
But, they do buy some Trade Goods (listed at the bottom of the market section), and you can make money off of NPCs, although pathetically small amounts (there have been some opportunities where you could make a lot of money in the past with NPC trading, but not many anymore). They also buy things like Overseer Effects and Sleeper loot that is intended to be a "Bounty" in the form of an object.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
65
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:21:00 -
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I wish there was a fee for using Empire gates.
And a configurable fee for using sov gates. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
715
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:27:00 -
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In an RP sense, where does ISK come from? Where do the NPCs get it from?
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:38:00 -
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When you mine minerals and build some ships, these are not free.
Well those are not free for someone else that will not have those minerals or sell that ship, for you it's all benefit, all isk 
brb |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
314
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:48:00 -
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Liliana Rahl wrote:I wish there was a fee for using Empire gates.
And a configurable fee for using sov gates.
That's a cool idea. Would introduce some planning into route conservation for some folks.
Though I guess for a player who had no cash, this would be an issue. You'd have to cap the upper limit somewhere too to prevent alliances from locking their systems down by having a huge fee on entry gates. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.06.13 14:44:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Headerman1 wrote:Cpt Zapp Braannigan wrote:Oh and a more specifc question what does NPCs buy? On the market there isn't a lot, usually a system scanner, a POS module. There are also overseers personal effects i believe. NPC's buy WormHole 'blue loot' which comes to around 9 trillion ISK per month
om nom nom delicious wormhole profits.
filthy incursion peasants dont know the glory, the riches, and fun that come with risk |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
350
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Posted - 2012.06.13 21:55:00 -
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Zoe Athame wrote:1st. Ship-loss does not take ISK out of the system. 2nd. Rich players take money from other players. 3rd. If you're looking for a get rich quick plan, nobody will give you one. As for where money comes from. Akita T posted this in another thread recently. Also, I really hope you're not an old character because CCP doesn't do name-changes.
could you be more off topic? or rude? 
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EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
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Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
4
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:02:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:Liliana Rahl wrote:I wish there was a fee for using Empire gates.
And a configurable fee for using sov gates. That's a cool idea. Would introduce some planning into route conservation for some folks. Though I guess for a player who had no cash, this would be an issue. You'd have to cap the upper limit somewhere too to prevent alliances from locking their systems down by having a huge fee on entry gates.
turning the space lanes into New Jersey.....
where do we mount the EZ-Pass on our ships? =)
Back on thread... It is an interesting topic to think about where does ISK come from... seems EVE is like most other MMOs in that it comes from actions involving NPCs.
Someone above asked in an RP sense where it comes from.. Guessing it comes from some form of treasury run by CONCORD. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
717
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Posted - 2012.06.13 22:08:00 -
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Viktor Fyretracker wrote:
Someone above asked in an RP sense where it comes from.. Guessing it comes from some form of treasury run by CONCORD.
That was me. But how does the ISK get into the CONCORD treasury?
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
89
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Posted - 2012.06.13 23:27:00 -
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In an RP sense? It is printed ( created out of thin air ) by the 4 government factions: Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, and Minmatar. Just like any governments currency in RL if I am not mistaken.
Of course if I am mistaken about the RL reference I am sure someone will come along and d-bag me.... I mean enlighten me with their polite response.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
1432
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Posted - 2012.06.14 02:14:00 -
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really the only thing worth selling to NPCs is the sleeper loot from wormholes and of that the best is the nanoribbons (or at least was)
however only Class 3 holes and up are worth the trouble, and then its not something you will be able to handle solo unless you have a really well fit Tengu or some buddies
sleepers are not like regular rats, but they pretty much behave like mission rats, only much stronger and lots more webs & points.
so the short of it is to access this isk fountain you need to join a WH corp and learn to live with no local and a front door that moves every 24 hrs and requires you scan it down everyday, and several random back doors for other people to come in and despawn your anoms.
if you want to do it I strongly recommend probing skills and covops skills just to keep a WH corp from podding you outright when you try and join.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
241
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Posted - 2012.06.14 02:22:00 -
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Zoe Athame wrote:1st. Ship-loss does not take ISK out of the system. 2nd. Rich players take money from other players. 3rd. If you're looking for a get rich quick plan, nobody will give you one. As for where money comes from. Akita T posted this in another thread recently. Also, I really hope you're not an old character because CCP doesn't do name-changes.
Here's a breakdown for last February:
http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html
The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
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